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On January 04 2012 08:24 justincover wrote:
i dont even get my points on ladder on my accounnt...i should have alteast 800 points but is been the same ever since...and i won a lot of games that they didnt give me points for
Once you hit a certain MMR with this current bugged system you stop gaining points and it will not update the points you did gain again until you lose a game. I'm currently at 827, but it says I'm at 736. 5th in division even though I'm 1st. There really is no excuse from Blizzard, this is pathetic. It's literally a big company just money hoarding and not giving a shit about the game.
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best thing would be a ladder like iccup =) but the ladder will stay like it is, because casuals wont see how bad they are (compared to the good players) and sometimes even one of them will get into GM by just cheesing and stop playing. blizzard ladder is not for esport, its just made to make casuals happy. thats why they even patched apm in one of the previous patches (dunno which one it was, cause I didn't played for like 1/2 year).
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I thought I was going to get in on the NA server. =[ maybe next time.
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dear blizzard: PLS FIX THE LADDER. TY
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I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc.
Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages.
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On January 04 2012 11:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc.
Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages.
Hi, Kill Order. Long time, no Brood War! Anyway, similar to, but not quite, what you said, they've got their current system in place solely to keep less-competitive players interested and feeling like they're making some sort of progress. "Wow, I faced a Gold today... and WON!" Really works with the Bronzies. Works with everyone, really. I feel a little better about myself when I start hitting Diamonds again, even though it just means I'm finally playing on-par with my Plat MMR 
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at least you guys are in a league! I currently have 7 wins this season and have not yet been placed in a league or division. When I match against ppl, it doesnt even say teams even, favored, or slightly favored. I am just gunna say its cus i deserve to be in my own league :p
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On January 04 2012 11:39 Cedstick wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 11:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc.
Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages. Hi, Kill Order. Long time, no Brood War! Anyway, similar to, but not quite, what you said, they've got their current system in place solely to keep less-competitive players interested and feeling like they're making some sort of progress. "Wow, I faced a Gold today... and WON!" Really works with the Bronzies. Works with everyone, really. I feel a little better about myself when I start hitting Diamonds again, even though it just means I'm finally playing on-par with my Plat MMR
The fuck? Why aren't we playing!
Holy shit I miss you bro! :'(
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Long story short, this system doesn't work.
It really doesn't keep low level players engaged over a long term.
ICCUP: low level players discouraged in short term, committed players play in long term
Blizzard ladder: low level players encouraged short term, no one interested long term
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blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly.
It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system.
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On January 04 2012 14:15 Sanctify wrote:
blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly.
It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system.
Well if they want this game to continue being successful, they are going to put in a little more effort.
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On January 04 2012 14:15 Sanctify wrote:
blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly.
It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system.
People like you are the reason the DLC scam, paid name changes, locked regions, etc exist. You just sit there and take it "hey we arent paying for it we shouldnt complain!" We paid for it when we paid the $60 for the game. Just because everyone gets fucked nowadays with micro transactions doesnt mean we shouldnt be able to complain about this ridiculousness.
We need a private run ladder. Blizzard, their stupid ranking system, and the outdated maps, need to go.
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anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end.
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On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote:
anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end.
you could always do it with website reporting/uploading replays like WGT.
I dont think they can do shit about that as long as no money is involved.
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Its really not in blizzard style to let things go so long, something big is going on or coming up. Usually there would be at least one blue post by now.
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On January 04 2012 14:41 Snake.69 wrote:
Its really not in blizzard style to let things go so long, something big is going on or coming up. Usually there would be at least one blue post by now.
Yea like the lag when you couldn't access your profiles. Good thing that didn't take them forever to fix. OH WAIT A SECOND.......
Like sadist said above, it should be safe to use any sort of website based ladder without charging or making income from the game. Although, the problem is, without an actual server or something for people to have the ease of access it would be incredibly hard to use or get started. Of course, that's against Blizzard now soooo. 
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On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote:
anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end.
I for one would love this idea and would participate fully if it ever came to be, though I wouldn't be very helpful getting things off the ground. It would be awesome to see a rating like iCCup or Elo like LoL.
Worst case scenario, you'd get your account banned from B.Net, though that would be a laughable punishment considering we'd already be playing on a private server.
It would require a ton of people to play though, but maybe if it was well run enough we'd see enough people switch to that server and force Blizzard to do something, or risk losing their game.
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On January 04 2012 14:15 Sanctify wrote:
blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly.
It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system.
why do fags like u exist?
User was warned for this post
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On January 04 2012 14:40 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote:
anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end. you could always do it with website reporting/uploading replays like WGT. I dont think they can do shit about that as long as no money is involved.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236091
http://www.notblizzladder.com/
This was already tried and it failed, nearly no one played on it. Then blizzard changed the ToS so you couldn't use third party match making and the project more or less completely died off.
I'm sure if they enforce a no third party match making rule they sure as hell would enforce shutting down private servers, not to mention the fact that the software to run a private battle.net doesn't even exist.
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On January 04 2012 11:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc.
Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages.
well leagues are just like letter grades in a way. the obvious difference is that points are showed and mmr isn't. i actually like the iccup system because there's always visible progress. i wish they atleast displayed the mmr like they did in wow.
i really hate the bonus pools though, like it's honestly retarded.
for smurfs and experienced players playing placement matches will instantly get your to like c or b though, so that might be weird.
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