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Apollo324
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada40 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 19:31:48
January 01 2012 19:30 GMT
#221
On January 02 2012 03:38 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 04:55 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:54 justincover wrote:
for all those that that think is base on mmr? ok here is the question. WHat is points for?..just for show?. and dont say u can just 6 pool and cheese your way just to get points to master league.


Yes points are just for show. They are designed to make each and every person feel like they are a special player.


No, points correlate strongly with your MMR



Not necessarily...

A toy example (this uses bonus pool for simplicity, but you can do it other ways):

Play 1 game, win, +12 point +12 bonus = + 24
Play 2 games, lose both, -10 points -11 point = -21

Points go up, MMR goes down - anti-correlation.

There have been many posts elsewhere on TL about how poorly points reflect MMR. This is why you can have a Bronze player with a massive number of points, but without breaking the MMR threshold for promotion.

edit: lol, very similar post right above me saying the same thing while I typed this up ^^;;
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XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 19:49:04
January 01 2012 19:45 GMT
#222
But the bonus pool is for everyone so it doesn't give you any advantage over other players, so you aren't anymore ahead in rank by winning 1 and losing 2 than the next guy unless he doesnt actually play. And usually if you're within Top 8 of your (division which is determined by points) you are pretty close to promotion, so I wouldn't say its too far off.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
January 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#223
points reflect mmr in the long run that is all
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#224
does anybody know if GM is going to reset any time soon? I want to be in legit GM not in glitchy one =(
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
January 01 2012 20:38 GMT
#225
I thought I was getting good when I was getting matched up with so many GMs

So is there still going to be a reset or something?
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
January 02 2012 07:53 GMT
#226
When are they going to fix the ladder & GM... Still messed up big time.
Win/loss and points not registering correctly for high masters, and still people with 0-1 in GM
reconcrap
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore10 Posts
January 02 2012 08:50 GMT
#227
is the 90point bp cap for NA GM only or does it apply to all the ladders?? apparently there are tons of ppl on SEA GM that has accumulated bp of more than 100
Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
January 02 2012 08:56 GMT
#228
You need less than 90 bp to be able to get promoted to GM. Then you get booted out of GM if you accumulate 2 weeks worth of Bonus pts... 180 i believe? not sure on the number
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12237 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 08:57:20
January 02 2012 08:56 GMT
#229
On January 02 2012 17:50 reconcrap wrote:
is the 90point bp cap for NA GM only or does it apply to all the ladders?? apparently there are tons of ppl on SEA GM that has accumulated bp of more than 100


Not sure exactly what you're referring to but the rules regarding GM league are supposed to be <=90 bonus pool to get in and <=180 bonus pool to stay in.

Also it's not even business hours on Monday yet so the devs probably are back from vacation either today or tomorrow.
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KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
January 02 2012 10:45 GMT
#230
On January 02 2012 17:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 17:50 reconcrap wrote:
is the 90point bp cap for NA GM only or does it apply to all the ladders?? apparently there are tons of ppl on SEA GM that has accumulated bp of more than 100


Not sure exactly what you're referring to but the rules regarding GM league are supposed to be <=90 bonus pool to get in and <=180 bonus pool to stay in.

Also it's not even business hours on Monday yet so the devs probably are back from vacation either today or tomorrow.


even then what can they do now? on tuesday most of the 1-0 or 0-1's are going to be kicked by the system, assuming that works.
Omer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Israel442 Posts
January 02 2012 12:36 GMT
#231
Yeah the system will "fix itself" tommorow i think from bonus pool
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
January 03 2012 09:39 GMT
#232
On January 02 2012 04:30 Apollo324 wrote:
Play 1 game, win, +12 point +12 bonus = + 24
Play 2 games, lose both, -10 points -11 point = -21

Points go up, MMR goes down - anti-correlation.


Points correlate strongly with MMR when you exclude bonus points (as you can among players who have used all of their bonus points.)

In your example, points go down by 10 if you exclude bonus points.

Also, your example ignores the fact that the points you gain or lose are more or less depending on the relationship between your point score and your opponent's MMR. This is the factor that ensures a strong correlation between adjusted points (meaning not including bonus) and MMR.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 03 2012 12:33 GMT
#233
180 b.p. and ppl are still in the league..

this is definitely wrong so hopefully blizzard will take a look soon
Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
January 03 2012 16:38 GMT
#234
Yea they are at 182 and still in league, i also started NEVER gettin points when i win, only get all the points fixed once i lose. Im guessing its because i hit GM mmr, as im always facing very very high mmr players.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 03 2012 16:39 GMT
#235
GM is such an utter disaster...
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magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
January 03 2012 16:48 GMT
#236
On January 04 2012 01:39 Pokebunny wrote:
GM is such an utter disaster...


Everything but the game (to an extent) is an utter disaster.
Siphonn
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States298 Posts
January 03 2012 18:45 GMT
#237
yeah there are about 7 people with BP above 180 that didn't get kicked TT. Blizzard needs to step up there game <_>
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 03 2012 18:51 GMT
#238
Oh wow, it's still broken? Blizzard is really embarrassing themselves here :\
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
January 03 2012 19:32 GMT
#239
On January 04 2012 03:51 Dusty wrote:
Oh wow, it's still broken? Blizzard is really embarrassing themselves here :\

Unfortunately they probably don't care
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
January 03 2012 19:39 GMT
#240
On January 04 2012 04:32 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 03:51 Dusty wrote:
Oh wow, it's still broken? Blizzard is really embarrassing themselves here :\

Unfortunately they probably don't care

I think they probably do, but for whatever reason haven't managed to fix it yet. Everyone can see the GM ladder pretty easily, so it's sort of embarassing for them. Is this problem on the KR server as well?
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