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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:56 Grackaroni wrote:
His timing is wierd though, he held off on posting the case until it seemed like Jay was completely fucked. If Jay flips scum it is definitely possible that he was trying to divert votes off of Jay, because this was his first agressive case.
Was there a particular piece of evidence that he posted his case right after seeing? Or could he have posted it earlier?
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:57 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:48 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 09:45 ey215 wrote:No, my case on you is... I believe these two have been working together from the outset and the only side that could coordinate like that is mafia. That I may find further evidence of it is not trying to get anyone to do anything. Who is "these two" Also, if you find further evidence of it, please do present it! I'd be glad to investigate as well. xtfftc and Grackaroni I'll grant Grackaroni's premise that the part about laying the groundwork for you is hypothetical, but I weighed waiting to say something until it happens against saying something now against one another and deduced I wouldn't likely be around to make the case if they made one on you. To check out what I was saying you need to go back and start reading at Day 1 and assume I'm town. I'm not asking you to keep that assumption, but if I'm town you can see where they were trying to lead the discussion onto me. Then look at Day 2 and when they really went for it. Xtfftc committed to it and Grackaroni kind of nudged to try to get others going on it. You also need to read it in context, using the filters exclusively isn't the best for it.
Do you have quotes? If not, I'll do this research, but if you had quotes + links that'd be sweet.
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On December 09 2011 09:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 09:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
For anyone who thinks I am mafia, because jay is. Think about it, if I kill off jay I would only have one other teamate left, if you think I am mafia for this reason I would be killed as well. This leaves one mafia member to convince everyone else that they are not mafia. The mafia that you are suspecting me to be in would have to have a player so experienced he could take out 6 other players over the course of three days. How does this make sense? I think you guys backed yourself into this shitty position by being too comfortable on day 1. Your team mate, who has done a much better job of staying hidden thus far, is probably reaming you in the QT for dumping the monumental task of killing 6 townies on his own, with 2 blues (if they live that long) still in the mix. Lets not get ahead of ourselves though. Jay hangs in 20 minutes (tick tock..). Yeah It's pretty clear JB isn't town. If he were, he would have posted his final analysis by now. After he flips scum I'll spend some serious time doing a monster analysis of everyone before the night ends. There's a 1/3rd chance we don't have a doctor, and if that's the case, the mafia know the setup, so I'm gonna get shot. They'll have BKEXE do the shot so the watcher learns nothing. That being said, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we have a doctor.
You have to remember though that there is at least one of a doctor/watcher, either one of them would be targeting you.
I highly doubt that mafia would be willing to attack you because it risks a no-kill or trading a mafia member for you.
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 10:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:55 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 09:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
For anyone who thinks I am mafia, because jay is. Think about it, if I kill off jay I would only have one other teamate left, if you think I am mafia for this reason I would be killed as well. This leaves one mafia member to convince everyone else that they are not mafia. The mafia that you are suspecting me to be in would have to have a player so experienced he could take out 6 other players over the course of three days. How does this make sense? I think you guys backed yourself into this shitty position by being too comfortable on day 1. Your team mate, who has done a much better job of staying hidden thus far, is probably reaming you in the QT for dumping the monumental task of killing 6 townies on his own, with 2 blues (if they live that long) still in the mix. Lets not get ahead of ourselves though. Jay hangs in 20 minutes (tick tock..). Yeah It's pretty clear JB isn't town. If he were, he would have posted his final analysis by now. After he flips scum I'll spend some serious time doing a monster analysis of everyone before the night ends. There's a 1/3rd chance we don't have a doctor, and if that's the case, the mafia know the setup, so I'm gonna get shot. They'll have BKEXE do the shot so the watcher learns nothing. That being said, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we have a doctor. You have to remember though that there is at least one of a doctor/watcher, either one of them would be targeting you. I highly doubt that mafia would be willing to attack you because it risks a no-kill or trading a mafia member for you.
Right, but the mafia knows which 2 blues we have, remember? So it's a 1/3rd chance that the layout is watcher/doctor, and if one of them is BKEXE and they're worried i'll wagon him, they could throw him away ("oh, he'll be lynched anyways") to kill me.
That being said, maybe they think they can out-argue me or present a better case. Or whatever. Or they'll roleblock the watcher?
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On December 09 2011 09:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:57 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 09:48 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 09:45 ey215 wrote:No, my case on you is... I believe these two have been working together from the outset and the only side that could coordinate like that is mafia. That I may find further evidence of it is not trying to get anyone to do anything. Who is "these two" Also, if you find further evidence of it, please do present it! I'd be glad to investigate as well. xtfftc and Grackaroni I'll grant Grackaroni's premise that the part about laying the groundwork for you is hypothetical, but I weighed waiting to say something until it happens against saying something now against one another and deduced I wouldn't likely be around to make the case if they made one on you. To check out what I was saying you need to go back and start reading at Day 1 and assume I'm town. I'm not asking you to keep that assumption, but if I'm town you can see where they were trying to lead the discussion onto me. Then look at Day 2 and when they really went for it. Xtfftc committed to it and Grackaroni kind of nudged to try to get others going on it. You also need to read it in context, using the filters exclusively isn't the best for it. Do you have quotes? If not, I'll do this research, but if you had quotes + links that'd be sweet.
It's in this post but I'd encourage you to go back and look at it on your own.
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 10:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:00 Grackaroni wrote:On December 09 2011 09:55 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 09:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
For anyone who thinks I am mafia, because jay is. Think about it, if I kill off jay I would only have one other teamate left, if you think I am mafia for this reason I would be killed as well. This leaves one mafia member to convince everyone else that they are not mafia. The mafia that you are suspecting me to be in would have to have a player so experienced he could take out 6 other players over the course of three days. How does this make sense? I think you guys backed yourself into this shitty position by being too comfortable on day 1. Your team mate, who has done a much better job of staying hidden thus far, is probably reaming you in the QT for dumping the monumental task of killing 6 townies on his own, with 2 blues (if they live that long) still in the mix. Lets not get ahead of ourselves though. Jay hangs in 20 minutes (tick tock..). Yeah It's pretty clear JB isn't town. If he were, he would have posted his final analysis by now. After he flips scum I'll spend some serious time doing a monster analysis of everyone before the night ends. There's a 1/3rd chance we don't have a doctor, and if that's the case, the mafia know the setup, so I'm gonna get shot. They'll have BKEXE do the shot so the watcher learns nothing. That being said, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we have a doctor. You have to remember though that there is at least one of a doctor/watcher, either one of them would be targeting you. I highly doubt that mafia would be willing to attack you because it risks a no-kill or trading a mafia member for you. Right, but the mafia knows which 2 blues we have, remember? So it's a 1/3rd chance that the layout is watcher/doctor, and if one of them is BKEXE and they're worried i'll wagon him, they could throw him away ("oh, he'll be lynched anyways") to kill me. That being said, maybe they think they can out-argue me or present a better case. Or whatever. Or they'll roleblock the watcher?
EBWOP: There's a 1/rd chance that the layout is watcher/detective. This is the layout for which there is no doctor, and the mafia is able to kill me.
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On December 09 2011 09:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:56 Grackaroni wrote:
His timing is wierd though, he held off on posting the case until it seemed like Jay was completely fucked. If Jay flips scum it is definitely possible that he was trying to divert votes off of Jay, because this was his first agressive case. Was there a particular piece of evidence that he posted his case right after seeing? Or could he have posted it earlier?
I'm just raising the possibility, I didn't look too deeply into it.
Jay was already fucked for today and this was the first serious analysis he has done and he did manage to get a vote on Ey
he was suspicious of Ey since the start of the game and chose now to make the case.
Obviously this would not be the sole reason for a lynch, further analysis must be made.
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On December 09 2011 10:01 Blazinghand wrote:
That being said, maybe they think they can out-argue me or present a better case. Or whatever. Or they'll roleblock the watcher?
They have to find him first. Heres hoping JB flips scum RB for an added cherry on top.
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Blazinghand
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MAN MODS WHERE MY NIGHT POST AT
On December 09 2011 10:02 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:57 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 09:56 Grackaroni wrote:
His timing is wierd though, he held off on posting the case until it seemed like Jay was completely fucked. If Jay flips scum it is definitely possible that he was trying to divert votes off of Jay, because this was his first agressive case. Was there a particular piece of evidence that he posted his case right after seeing? Or could he have posted it earlier? I'm just raising the possibility, I didn't look too deeply into it. Jay was already fucked for today and this was the first serious analysis he has done and he did manage to get a vote on Ey he was suspicious of Ey since the start of the game and chose now to make the case. Obviously this would not be the sole reason for a lynch, further analysis must be made.
Um... do it?
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On December 09 2011 09:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:56 Grackaroni wrote:
His timing is wierd though, he held off on posting the case until it seemed like Jay was completely fucked. If Jay flips scum it is definitely possible that he was trying to divert votes off of Jay, because this was his first agressive case. Was there a particular piece of evidence that he posted his case right after seeing? Or could he have posted it earlier?
If I remember correctly it was my vote on Jay that triggered the case today. Day 1 it was you and I fighting.
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On December 09 2011 09:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 09:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
For anyone who thinks I am mafia, because jay is. Think about it, if I kill off jay I would only have one other teamate left, if you think I am mafia for this reason I would be killed as well. This leaves one mafia member to convince everyone else that they are not mafia. The mafia that you are suspecting me to be in would have to have a player so experienced he could take out 6 other players over the course of three days. How does this make sense? I think you guys backed yourself into this shitty position by being too comfortable on day 1. Your team mate, who has done a much better job of staying hidden thus far, is probably reaming you in the QT for dumping the monumental task of killing 6 townies on his own, with 2 blues (if they live that long) still in the mix. Lets not get ahead of ourselves though. Jay hangs in 20 minutes (tick tock..). Yeah It's pretty clear JB isn't town. If he were, he would have posted his final analysis by now. After he flips scum I'll spend some serious time doing a monster analysis of everyone before the night ends. There's a 1/3rd chance we don't have a doctor, and if that's the case, the mafia know the setup, so I'm gonna get shot. They'll have BKEXE do the shot so the watcher learns nothing. That being said, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we have a doctor.
When you're doing that analysis you might want to consider it in the context that Tunkeg provided. I wonder if we shouldn't look at 2 people in combination from the first days votes. I really do think he might be onto something there.
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On December 08 2011 04:57 xtfftc wrote:
BH and Velinath, I think you should take a step back from Jay. You've made a very extensive case on him and the last few pages have turned into a farce with all the shouting. Unless you come up with something good to add, it might be better if you encourage other people to post their views on the issue or get another discussion going.
Right here he is getting you off of Jay's back. Jay was not doing a good job of defending himself so maybe he thought if he could get people to stop focusing on him and he posted a big case on Ey215 he could change the lynch for the day.
On December 08 2011 04:05 xtfftc wrote:Your original case was good, your new material was herp-derp. I think I am okay with a Jay lynch for now but I have to re-read his posts first. I was planing to make an analysis of him yesterday, so he's on my to-do list for tonight with Velinath. I am not happy with those jumping on the Jay lynch though. You know my case on Adam and Velinath is someone who warrants a good long look, considering his recent posts. Posting about how he's suspicious of people jumping on the Bbyte lynch (not to mention he didn't bother pointing out what actually happened in my case) and then jumping on the Jay bandwagon just like that: Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 11:33 Velinath wrote:
First off, I was roleblocked last night.
Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow.
##Vote: jaybrundage How about posting his own views before voting? He goes on to add some stuff later which sound okay but that's not enough.
He says that he is "okay" with the Jay lynch but never explains why, he also trys to discourage people from voting for Jay by comparing it to the BByte bandwagon. I think there has been a lot of evidence against Jay and people should definitely be voting for him. He promises further analysis on Jay but obviously that will not be coming.
On December 08 2011 04:56 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 04:15 ey215 wrote:
I'm not 100% sold that he's scum, but I'm sold his behavior has been anti-town.
##vote: jaybrundage ... Town does not vote to punish bad play. Town votes to lynch mafia. Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 04:15 ey215 wrote:
Fuck, I can't believe I'm jumping on the bandwagon but at the moment I don't see a better lynch option. ... How about making a case or pushing the discussion further with some analysis? I know I said I'm going to look at Jay and Velinath like 10 minutes ago but I can't allow ey215 to stay under the radar like this for another day.
Ey215, you were right when you said that your vote triggered his case on you. You should have given more reasoning in your post than that, but that said Xtfftc continues to follow his trend of soft-defending Jay.
On December 09 2011 04:53 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 04:33 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 04:27 xtfftc wrote:
Tunkeg, I consider spending time on analysing Jay inefficient now. And I can post my thoughts on why I consider some people to be town as well. Ran through your filter to fetch what we know about your stance on JB. Here's a summary of xtfftc's statements re: JB http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=36#711On December 08 2011 04:05 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:
My Original Case for JB: On December 07 2011 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:
THE NEW MATERIAL: Your original case was good, your new material was herp-derp. I think I am okay with a Jay lynch for now but I have to re-read his posts first. I was planing to make an analysis of him yesterday, so he's on my to-do list for tonight with Velinath. I am not happy with those jumping on the Jay lynch though. You know my case on Adam and Velinath is someone who warrants a good long look, considering his recent posts. Posting about how he's suspicious of people jumping on the Bbyte lynch (not to mention he didn't bother pointing out what actually happened in my case) and then jumping on the Jay bandwagon just like that: On December 07 2011 11:33 Velinath wrote:
First off, I was roleblocked last night.
Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow.
##Vote: jaybrundage How about posting his own views before voting? He goes on to add some stuff later which sound okay but that's not enough. Calls part of my case good, part of it bad. Said he's ok with a Jay lynch, but needs to re-read his post. Says he is not happy with those who are lynching him. Hedging. A page later: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=37#724On December 08 2011 04:22 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 16:09 Adam4167 wrote:
It IS everyone’s fault that Bbyte ended up dead. We had 6 people follow BH’s invoking of a lurker lynch almost blindly, that is their failings and as BH has pointed out since, its also the failing of everyone else that none of us had put forward a compelling enough case to keep Bbyte off the hangman’s noose. Parroting what Veli said. Yes, it is everyone's fault that we couldn't consolidate on a proper case but no, we didn't have 6 people follow BH's invoking of a lurker lynch almost blindly. Sounds like mafia trying to make us think that this wasn't as bad of a loss as it was to me. On December 07 2011 16:09 Adam4167 wrote:On December 07 2011 10:56 jaybrundage wrote:
Briefly looking over you new case its pretty shitty with no content.
Nice use of caps to make it seem like you have a point. Your "core of your argument. Is also dumb is stated multiple times i did not like the Bbyte case. I'm not gonna let you steamroll the townies into another mislynch.
Ill give people some time to read my case before i comment again. I was not expecting EB to get killed i was thinking either BH Veli maybe Grack even. I really wish he had posted his case on me instead of his empty comment that he thinks I'm mafia. Are you kidding? He’s spent hours looking at your filter and you “briefly look” at it. You might want to go back and examine the SHIT out of his case on you and start defending yourself properly. Calling his case “shit” is tantamount to saying “no u r”, it might have worked when you were 7, but its not flying here. This is a great point (Jay either scumslipped really badly or he spends more time writing his own posts than analysing others, which is pretty bad), but Adam sure likes adding fluff to his arguments. All he needed was the bolded bit, everything else is completely pointless. On December 07 2011 16:09 Adam4167 wrote:
Is this a slip? “I'm not gonna let you steamroll the townies into another mislynch.”. You are part of the town… shouldn’t this read “im not going to let you steamroll us into another myslynch”, unless of course you don’t consider yourself part of the town. This is pretty bad. What is the right way to say it then? "I'm not going to let you steamroll me into mislynching myself"? I will revisit my suspicion from yesteyday when I thought that Adam might be bussing Jay. This is actually a discussion of Adam's post, but he notes that JB scumslipped, and suspects Adam may be bussing him (which is to say, Adam suspects JB of being scum) Finally, talking to ey215 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=37#729On December 08 2011 04:56 xtfftc wrote:On December 08 2011 04:15 ey215 wrote:
I'm not 100% sold that he's scum, but I'm sold his behavior has been anti-town.
##vote: jaybrundage ... Town does not vote to punish bad play. Town votes to lynch mafia. On December 08 2011 04:15 ey215 wrote:
Fuck, I can't believe I'm jumping on the bandwagon but at the moment I don't see a better lynch option. ... How about making a case or pushing the discussion further with some analysis? I know I said I'm going to look at Jay and Velinath like 10 minutes ago but I can't allow ey215 to stay under the radar like this for another day. It sounds like you don't think JB is mafia. You've admitted he scumslips, you suspect Adam is bussing him, and you found my initial case on him convincing. Where do you stand? I've posted more on Jay, look at Day 1 but it's mostly one off remarks (such as pointing out how Jay justified not voting for a lurker by saying that we shouldn't lynch a lurker because a lurker isn't around to defend himself) and I don't see how the last quote was me suggesting that he is probably town. It was me pointing out the scumminess of EY's reasoning, and at that moment it was to be expected that mafia would jump on the Jay bandwagon. At the moment I think that Jay is more likely to be scum because if he's not, we have EY, xsk, and Adam left, and I consider Adam to be the worst lynch out of the players I am suspicious of (Adam, Jay, EY, xsk, BKE)
Here he even admits that Jay is more likely to be scum but his vote still remains on Ey215. . .
I have overlooked Xtfftc, If Jay flips scum I still believe the scum team will be
JB
Xtfftc
BKEXE
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I also just realized that xsksc's replacement has not voted so he will be modkilled.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I also just realized that xsksc's replacement has not voted so he will be modkilled.
Yah... that's really bad. Unless he's mafia, then we're set.
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Zona doesn´t appear to be online, so I´ll take this one. Nightpost coming up.
EDIT: Hostninja´d!!!
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- Night 2 -![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qojmT.jpg)
Zona was fiddling around with the computer on the lectern as the class debated and argued for the second session. With a pair of earbuds on, no one could hear the game "Hyper Princess Pitch" being played, but the sounds of the poorly hidden gamepad still made it obvious what was going on, if anyone was paying attention.
But the students happened to very engrossed in their discussion, and whether intentionally or not, seemed not to notice what the professor was doing. Damn, came the muttered curse. Game over at Mecha-Santa again.
A subtle ding! brought Zona's attention back to the students in the room.
"Time's up, class. Who are you going to vote to expel from the group today?"
A vast majority of those present quickly pointed at jaybrundage, with almost no dissenters at all.
Zona smiled at their choice. "Hmm, one last chance to change your mind before you regret it!"
The students looked at each other, but everyone stood firm.
"Very well. jaybrundage, please reveal to the class the card you were provided at the beginning of the exercise."
jaybrundage slowly pulled out his card and turned it over slowly. It was red.
"Congratulations to everyone. Well, except for you, jaybrundage. Only two more wolves among the sheep to be found! You are dismissed for the day!
jaybrundage, the Mafia Goon was expelled by the will of the class!
Vote count for the Day 2 lynch
jaybrundage (7): Blazinghand, Adam4167, Velinath, ey215, BroodKingEXE, Grackaroni, Bluelightz
ey215 (2): xtfftc, Tunkeg
Velinath (1): jaybrundage
Night 2 ends in 23.5 hours, at exactly 10.00 KST the 10th of December.
For those of you who have night actions, send PMs to both Forumite and myself to indicate how you wish to use them!
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Blazinghand
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BAM. TAKE THAT MAFIA. AND I WILL HUNT YOU ALL DOWN, ONE BY ONE. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME. NOTHING. I AM UNRELENTING
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If i were a lesser man, Id make some horrible quip asking JB to post an analysis on me before "realizing" he was dead.
Im not that man.
GG jay
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You wanted to give your reads during the night in case you died.
Do you believe that xtfttc is mafia?
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Blazinghand
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Hey JB i was wondering if you could clarify your position on velinath plz. I have avoided noticing this night post somehow
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