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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:31 Adam4167 wrote: If i were a lesser man, Id make some horrible quip asking JB to post an analysis on me before "realizing" he was dead. Im not that man. GG jay Nevermind. Looks like BH is that man. (lol) | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
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Zona
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
His most recent post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=38#757 His filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=160133 | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:32 Blazinghand wrote: Hey JB i was wondering if you could clarify your position on velinath plz. I have avoided noticing this night post somehow + Show Spoiler + Hahaha you just made my day. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
I'm like 99% convinced BKEXE is mafia. I'm gonna go after him pretty hard. If anyone can think of a better lynch than BKEXE I want you to make a super super good case for it, please. Also, keep on talking and arguing. The more stuff we argue about the more obvious the mafia will be. man i'm feeling good. Let's see if we can end this in the next two Days, gentlemen. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 09 2011 12:31 Blazinghand wrote: OK, I'm home. I'm gonna start analyzing but before I do I just wanted to stop by and I want people to make cases for lynching people who aren't BKEXE. I'm like 99% convinced BKEXE is mafia. I'm gonna go after him pretty hard. If anyone can think of a better lynch than BKEXE I want you to make a super super good case for it, please. Also, keep on talking and arguing. The more stuff we argue about the more obvious the mafia will be. man i'm feeling good. Let's see if we can end this in the next two Days, gentlemen. Agreed. I've had a couple of suspicions since day 1, and for the most part our reads seem to be similar. I am pretty sure I understand the meaning of your posts. I am going to read everyone's filter, then construct a single case against the person i find the scummiest, rather than posting a couple paragraphs on everyone as I have previously. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
My third read is still Hassybaby/Bluelightz. | ||
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Zona
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
xtfftc, you seem so sure that ey215 is red, are you willing to stake your own lynching on it, if he flips town? I am not entirely sold on your case on him, maybe that might change after its finished. ey215, the main criticism of your play in TL47 was that you did nothing but tunnel WBG all game (he was town). Can you say the same thing is not happening here with Grackaroni/xtfftc? You've declared your intention to slap an OMGUS vote on xtfftc tomorrow, will it be supported by an in-depth analysis of every one of his posts? | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 09 2011 23:43 Adam4167 wrote: After reading everyone's filter (not just confined to this mafia game either..), I'm taking a more active interest in the xtfftc/ey215 situation. xtfftc, you seem so sure that ey215 is red, are you willing to stake your own lynching on it, if he flips town? I am not entirely sold on your case on him, maybe that might change after its finished. ey215, the main criticism of your play in TL47 was that you did nothing but tunnel WBG all game (he was town). Can you say the same thing is not happening here with Grackaroni/xtfftc? You've declared your intention to slap an OMGUS vote on xtfftc tomorrow, will it be supported by an in-depth analysis of every one of his posts? Good question, My intention is actually to go through a few other people's post history and see if I can find something there. I think I'm on the right track with my previous analysis but am willing to keep an open mind and see if I can find something better on someone else. Specifically, I'm going to go through jay's posts and see who he labeled as town or null and start there. I will say, don't expect a specific case from me before the end of today I've got another final in the morning and a crap ton of homework to get done before that. I maybe shouldn't have put that off until the last minute.  On a side note, can someone link me the main case on BK? | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
That beeing said, I am pretty sure at least one scum, maybe both remaining scum did bus jay. Still, all should look into both me and xtfftc for not voting jaybrundage. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 09 2011 07:08 Blazinghand wrote: Overall this looks like a pretty solid case but I do have a difference of opinion here I caused enough people to flip out by pressuring them that I'm fairly sure it's effective, even if they know I'll unvote them if they do XYZ. It's not that simple. What you did was stand behind your early game plan: you expressed your support for lynching lurkers and you pressured them by going after each and every one of them systematically. Pressuring is okay but what EY did was to theatrically announce that he'll be pressuring someone by voting for him, which immediately removes the "pressure" element from his pressuring. On December 09 2011 07:18 ey215 wrote: At that point in Day 1, BH and I had our argument, got over it and moved on, then xtfftc comes around and decides that based off of being defensive and to make sure to hammer that point home cherry picks some quotes out of context and uses them six hours later to plant his seeds. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 21:18 xtfftc wrote: Policy or not, everyone should be doing this. Mafia are bound to slip and they will also be reluctant to talk about their teammates slipping, so this is very pro-town behaviour. If you see something you consider to be a lie, mention it. You might be wrong but it's important anyway. And it will also help differentiate between townies who are hunting for mafia and the mafia players who are trying not to attract attention. (I still think that pushing for heavy policies is pro-mafia though, it takes the pressure away from them by allowing them to follow some simple guidelines) On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady. I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK. As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot Town doesn't benefit from last minute lynches, mafia does. If you see someone suddenly pushing for a lynch near the deadline when there isn't enough time for a proper discussion, it is very likely that this person is mafia. On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote: As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once. Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff. Dude, no need to be so defensive. Blazinghand is trying hard to organise the town. I don't agree with some of his ideas but they are stuff to be discussed. There is absolutely no need for a townie to react like you did. Blazing's play so far is great. Am I supposed to be in the thread 24/7? I saw your post and I responded to it. Am I supposed not to analyse things just becase BH has moved on? What it is that I've "decided that based off of being defensive"? Maybe it's my fault but I don't understand see what it is that I have apparently decided. On December 09 2011 07:18 ey215 wrote: Then he gives this gem: If I’m such a strong read, why didn’t you push to lynch me at all Day 1? I put forth the theory that no one responded really latched onto the idea, and you didn’t want to go out of your way to stand out that early. You’ve been setting up this Day 2 attempt at a lynch since yesterday. At the time of posting this, early Day 1, you were my strongest read. Later on I built another case and had to choose who to vote for. Since that xsk turned inactive and I've given his replacement some time to read on the thread, you are the natural target now. On December 09 2011 07:18 ey215 wrote: Now, again I’d like to see xtfftc respond to some accusations about him without just brushing it off as trolling as he did with EB. Since EB was conveniently killed overnight, he wasn’t here to defend himself and xtfftc was let off scot free. Accuse me of something and I'll answer it. EB provided no analysis whatsoever, so there wasn't anything to respond to. Will post more after dinner. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 09 2011 09:56 Grackaroni wrote: His timing is wierd though If you look at my posts from the last five days (Monday to Friday), you'll notice a pattern called "having a new job and staying away from TL during working hours" ^^ On December 09 2011 10:16 Grackaroni wrote: Right here he is getting you off of Jay's back. Jay was not doing a good job of defending himself so maybe he thought if he could get people to stop focusing on him and he posted a big case on Ey215 he could change the lynch for the day. Did you see what was going on at the time? It was definitely not helping town. Mafia would want Jay waste the whole day after being caught. They would have had the very easy task to accuse Jay of something scummy (which is even easier for them since they have been talking with him all game long) and have an easy ride without doing any actual contribution. I asked BH and Veli to stop shouting and destroying the thread so that we would be able to do some scum hunting, and I think it worked as we had some more productive discussions afterwards. The mafia tries to manipulate people and this is way too open to be manipulation. Saying something such as "step away from our main target, he is dead anyway" isn't subtle or effective.. Unless you try to explain it with WIFOM, which doesn't work for a proper analysis. The whole "plan" would have only worked with a suicidal last minute switch that would have condemned the whole team for the sake of saving someone like Jay. Ey215, you were right when you said that your vote triggered his case on you. You should have given more reasoning in your post than that, but that said Xtfftc continues to follow his trend of soft-defending Jay. Read my case(s) on EY again, please. It's not just voting - although bandwagonning all game long was part of it - but about the way he didn't commit on calling Jay scum but called for his lynch for being "anti-town" (he is either scum and has to die or he is a bad, anti-town townie who should be ignored) and making a scene out of admitting that he's bandwagonning but not bothering to post some analysis before voting. I also think that you should look at my Day 1 again. I posted a lot on xsk, I called out a few others as well (Adam, for example), and you'll see a lot of disagreeing with people. This didn't happen during Day 2 because pretty much everyone was happy to focus on Jay instead of trying to catch more mafia. No one tried to defend Jay and there was very little analysis of other players, so there was pretty much nothing to disagree with. On December 09 2011 10:16 Grackaroni wrote: Here he even admits that Jay is more likely to be scum but his vote still remains on Ey215. . . I stated my reasons for keeping my vote on EY. Your reasoning is pure WIFOM in this case. Jay was obviously going to be lynched hours before I posted the bit you quoted, so what could a townie do in this situation? Vote for Jay and be accused of sheeping after BH and bandwagonning (remember Tunkeg and his analysis of the Bbyte lynch?) Or vote for someone else and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia. Let's also consider me being mafia for the sake of discussing my actions. Vote for Jay and get accused of bandwagonning, or don't and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia? It works both ways. Also, BH and I discussed my vote extensivelly and you can follow it pretty easily... No idea why you would chose to ignore it all but here's the end of it anyway: On December 09 2011 05:24 xtfftc wrote: Yes, albeit a short one that doesn't cover some bits. I feel uneasy about the way no one objects on lynching Jay. It feels like Day 1 all over again, which makes me wonder whether Jay might actually be town - even though mafia are probably just bussing him at this point. So my vote stays on EY to remind people that we have to catch the whole mafia team and not just one member of it. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 09 2011 23:43 Adam4167 wrote: xtfftc, you seem so sure that ey215 is red, are you willing to stake your own lynching on it, if he flips town? I am not entirely sold on your case on him, maybe that might change after its finished. Since Jay flipped mafia, I expect BKE to be mafia as well, and so the last spot on the team is for either EY or xsksc. I don't feel comfortable calling this one before xsk's replacement starts posting. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:28 xtfftc wrote: Since Jay flipped mafia, I expect BKE to be mafia as well, and so the last spot on the team is for either EY or xsksc. I don't feel comfortable calling this one before xsk's replacement starts posting. Still putting together my "I'm probably dead in the morning" analysis post. Just wanted to point out that the whole idea of "would you be willing to stake your own life" is a dangerous statement. I was asked this about the JB lynch and I said "yes" to it, to strengthen my case... but what if JB was just an incredibly bad townie? It would be a bad move to waste a lynch day lynching me if I'm also town, and would probably lose us the game. I think we need to get out of a mindset that "if A accuses B and B flips town, A is mafia". It's certainly possible that A is mafia, but it's also possible that A was just wrong. IF xtfftc things ey215 is scum, and if ey215 gets lynched and flips town, then maybe xtfftc is the scummiest remaining player so he should be lynched. Or, maybe, he's not. Then you should lynch whoever is the scummiest, even though xtfftc was wrong. Base lynches off of evidence whenever possible. *back to work* | ||
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