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On December 09 2011 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 08:22 ey215 wrote:On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
THINGS TO CONSIDER
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I've become concerned with BH's presence in this game.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
He tells people to switch to EB for not voting -------> people switch to EB
He tells people to switch to BByte ------> BByte is lynched
He tells people to not talk at night ------> Mine is one of the first posts that's not his.
I voted for 2/3 of these people; I feel like maybe I wouldn't have put my vote on them if BH had not suggested to.
The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town.
The last newbie game was lost because of too much trust in 2 players, 1 of them ended up being scum.
I don't know if it's been different for other people, but the main reason I started believing BH was definitely town was his activity level throughout the game. He seemed to be actively scum hunting at the start accusing people, but in reality at the start of the game all he did was jump on people who didn't post yet because they were busy/didn't know the game had started.
I believe that scum would more likely want to draw less attention to themselves but It's possible that BH is actually just a good player that posts and accuses a lot regardless of his alignment.
I feel like we pushed the "easy" lynches of Adam/BByte and EB (before he started analyzing) This is fine for day1, but come day2 we better be more willing to look thoroughly into the players who have been active and are "contributing". (the chance that scum wouldn't have a single active player goes beyond unlikely...)
My point about BH is this : He has a lot of town cred and has gained a very strong position as a trusted townie and a town leader role. Remember to remain cautious of him and that there are no truly confirmed townies. Everyone should be having their own opinions for the lynch tomorrow, not following BH's.
My last point : ONLY MAFIA KNOW THEIR REASONS FOR KILLING A PLAYER
let me explain, in this hypothetical situation I have been shot by the mafia. When you look through my filter do not use things I said as main parts of analysis because you cannot truly know why they would have killed me.
When you looked through my filter after my hypothetical death, do not use arguments such as:
OMG, HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TUNKEG THEREFORE TUNKEG IS MAFIA TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF!
HE WAS SIDING WITH XSKSC, THEREFORE XSKSC IS MAFIA TRYING TO PAINT HIMSELF MORE TOWN!
BH KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE FELT BH WAS GETTING TOO MUCH POWER AND THAT TOWNIES WERE FOLLOWING HIM BLINDLY!
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
By the way BH, if they manage to get enough votes flipped onto me to lynch me today then I expect them to come after you Day 3. The post above lays the groundwork for it. Not too committal, but planting that seed of doubt. HAH. If anybody was flagrant enough to do a last-minute mass voteswitch, they'd clearly be mafia. There are 11 voters in the game, so a majority is 6, meaning that minimum 2 people who justified their case would have to hop off the JB wagon AND JB would have the change his vote. And if the mafia were the flagrant, they'd just shoot me tonight-- I'd never cast another vote. Last minute unjustified mass voteswitch is anti-town. In fact, why would you even suggest that your lynching today is a possibility? o_O The math: We're currently at 8 - 3 They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3 Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3. Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important. OK, so I understand the first paragraph: If we mislynch and they shoot someone there will be 6 townies, 3 mafia the next dya, and if it happens again, it will be 4 townies, 3 mafia. The 2nd paragaph states that... if we lynch jay and he flips scum... and they shoot someone... they still have 3 alive somehow? ???? Also, I could see why "we lynch a townie" is bad, but you still haven't answered why you think it's even possible that you could be lynched. Even if there are two mafias voting for Jay and they BOTH change their vote to you, Jay still has more votes for him than you.
Sigh, you're right 7- 2
5 - 2
That's the point I was making, just forgot to take away one from the mafia column.
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 08:44 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:
The math:
We're currently at 8 - 3
They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3
Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3.
Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3
Two more townies 5 - 3
I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important.
Why is your math so doom and gloom? Its also incorrect. In your second scenario: Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I assume "Jay is scum" means "we hang Jay and he flips red". That means we go down to 7 - 2. Then you discount us from finding scum on day 3 with BKEXE a prime target after jay flipping scum. If there aren't any surprises with our lynchings we're 6 - 1 heading into Day 4. Hardly as bad a scenario as you're making it out to be here.
Yeah I dunno what his deal is.
Btw, JB, you've got an hour left to live. Any last words? If you're going to flip town, I hope the reason you've been absent from the thread is that you're writing an epic enormous post of all your analysis (!!!!)
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On December 09 2011 08:44 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:
The math:
We're currently at 8 - 3
They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3
Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3.
Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3
Two more townies 5 - 3
I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important.
Why is your math so doom and gloom? Its also incorrect. In your second scenario: Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I assume "Jay is scum" means "we hang Jay and he flips red". That means we go down to 7 - 2. Then you discount us from finding scum on day 3 with BKEXE a prime target after jay flipping scum. If there aren't any surprises with our lynchings we're 6 - 1 heading into Day 4. Hardly as bad a scenario as you're making it out to be here.
You really think it's going to be BKEXE tomorrow? I don't, I think it's going to be me. Xtfftc has pretty much persuaded at least one non mafia.
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On December 09 2011 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Current Votes:
jaybrundage (7): Blazinghand, Adam4167, Velinath, ey215, BroodKingEXE, Grackaroni, Bluelightz
ey215 (2): xtfftc, Tunkeg
Velinath (1): jaybrundage
Hypothetically, JB could change his vote to you, AND Star could come back and vote for you, AND two people could switch their votes from JB to you. This would cause you to go up to 6 votes and JB to go down to 5, and would require the cooperation of four (4) people, when there are currently 3 mafia in the game, and make it painfully obvious who mafia was.
I recognize how persuasive Xtfftc has been and will continue to attempt to be. If he had gotten you to change his vote a few hours ago I do think I could have been lynched today, hence why you got my post on him and Grackaroni. I wanted to give as much information as possible for town to go off of when I flip town.
After that I lost track of time, had no idea how close we were to deadline.
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 08:50 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Current Votes:
jaybrundage (7): Blazinghand, Adam4167, Velinath, ey215, BroodKingEXE, Grackaroni, Bluelightz
ey215 (2): xtfftc, Tunkeg
Velinath (1): jaybrundage
Hypothetically, JB could change his vote to you, AND Star could come back and vote for you, AND two people could switch their votes from JB to you. This would cause you to go up to 6 votes and JB to go down to 5, and would require the cooperation of four (4) people, when there are currently 3 mafia in the game, and make it painfully obvious who mafia was. I recognize how persuasive Xtfftc has been and will continue to attempt to be. If he had gotten you to change his vote a few hours ago I do think I could have been lynched today, hence why you got my post on him and Grackaroni. I wanted to give as much information as possible for town to go off of when I flip town. After that I lost track of time, had no idea how close we were to deadline.
Ah. Well, I have no idea whether you're town or mafia, but I've got a pretty solid read on JB being mafia. There are 6 people for whom this is the same. Judging by the vote count, there are two people voting for you. I wouldn't worry too much.
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 08:47 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:44 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:
The math:
We're currently at 8 - 3
They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3
Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3.
Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3
Two more townies 5 - 3
I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important.
Why is your math so doom and gloom? Its also incorrect. In your second scenario: Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I assume "Jay is scum" means "we hang Jay and he flips red". That means we go down to 7 - 2. Then you discount us from finding scum on day 3 with BKEXE a prime target after jay flipping scum. If there aren't any surprises with our lynchings we're 6 - 1 heading into Day 4. Hardly as bad a scenario as you're making it out to be here. You really think it's going to be BKEXE tomorrow? I don't, I think it's going to be me. Xtfftc has pretty much persuaded at least one non mafia.
Or he's persuaded one mafia. Maybe Xtfftc is town and Tunkeg is mafia? Think flexibly :D
Plus, if the mafia wants you dead, they have very effecient ways of killing people, I hear.
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Since Grackaroni brought up the topic for the next day lynch,
My guesses are
BKEXE/jay
any other guesses?
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On December 09 2011 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:47 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:44 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:
The math:
We're currently at 8 - 3
They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3
Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3.
Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3
Two more townies 5 - 3
I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important.
Why is your math so doom and gloom? Its also incorrect. In your second scenario: Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I assume "Jay is scum" means "we hang Jay and he flips red". That means we go down to 7 - 2. Then you discount us from finding scum on day 3 with BKEXE a prime target after jay flipping scum. If there aren't any surprises with our lynchings we're 6 - 1 heading into Day 4. Hardly as bad a scenario as you're making it out to be here. You really think it's going to be BKEXE tomorrow? I don't, I think it's going to be me. Xtfftc has pretty much persuaded at least one non mafia. Or he's persuaded one mafia. Maybe Xtfftc is town and Tunkeg is mafia? Think flexibly :D Plus, if the mafia wants you dead, they have very effecient ways of killing people, I hear.
Hear that on the mafia QT? o_0
I kid, I kid. 
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 08:56 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 08:47 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:44 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:
The math:
We're currently at 8 - 3
They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3
Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3.
Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3
Two more townies 5 - 3
I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important.
Why is your math so doom and gloom? Its also incorrect. In your second scenario: Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I assume "Jay is scum" means "we hang Jay and he flips red". That means we go down to 7 - 2. Then you discount us from finding scum on day 3 with BKEXE a prime target after jay flipping scum. If there aren't any surprises with our lynchings we're 6 - 1 heading into Day 4. Hardly as bad a scenario as you're making it out to be here. You really think it's going to be BKEXE tomorrow? I don't, I think it's going to be me. Xtfftc has pretty much persuaded at least one non mafia. Or he's persuaded one mafia. Maybe Xtfftc is town and Tunkeg is mafia? Think flexibly :D Plus, if the mafia wants you dead, they have very effecient ways of killing people, I hear. Hear that on the mafia QT? o_0 I kid, I kid.
I left out one other possibility: you ARE mafia, and people are on to you, and you're looking for a way to look town. o_0
On December 09 2011 08:55 Bluelightz wrote:
Since Grackaroni brought up the topic for the next day lynch,
My guesses are
BKEXE/jay
any other guesses?
I don't think jay is a good lynch target for tomorrow, since we're killing him in 1 hour.
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On December 09 2011 08:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:50 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Current Votes:
jaybrundage (7): Blazinghand, Adam4167, Velinath, ey215, BroodKingEXE, Grackaroni, Bluelightz
ey215 (2): xtfftc, Tunkeg
Velinath (1): jaybrundage
Hypothetically, JB could change his vote to you, AND Star could come back and vote for you, AND two people could switch their votes from JB to you. This would cause you to go up to 6 votes and JB to go down to 5, and would require the cooperation of four (4) people, when there are currently 3 mafia in the game, and make it painfully obvious who mafia was. I recognize how persuasive Xtfftc has been and will continue to attempt to be. If he had gotten you to change his vote a few hours ago I do think I could have been lynched today, hence why you got my post on him and Grackaroni. I wanted to give as much information as possible for town to go off of when I flip town. After that I lost track of time, had no idea how close we were to deadline. Ah. Well, I have no idea whether you're town or mafia, but I've got a pretty solid read on JB being mafia. There are 6 people for whom this is the same. Judging by the vote count, there are two people voting for you. I wouldn't worry too much.
I think what really made the case fully was today. I noticed on one of the stickied threads that once your nailed as scum to basically don't say anything or nothing of substance so as to deny further information. Pretty much sums him up.
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On December 09 2011 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:56 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 08:47 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:44 Adam4167 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:32 ey215 wrote:
The math:
We're currently at 8 - 3
They get me today and someone tonight we're at 6 - 3
Two more townies Day/night 3 and it's 4-3.
Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3
Two more townies 5 - 3
I actually think today/tonight is pretty damn important.
Why is your math so doom and gloom? Its also incorrect. In your second scenario: Jay is scum, they get one tonight 7 - 3 Two more townies 5 - 3 I assume "Jay is scum" means "we hang Jay and he flips red". That means we go down to 7 - 2. Then you discount us from finding scum on day 3 with BKEXE a prime target after jay flipping scum. If there aren't any surprises with our lynchings we're 6 - 1 heading into Day 4. Hardly as bad a scenario as you're making it out to be here. You really think it's going to be BKEXE tomorrow? I don't, I think it's going to be me. Xtfftc has pretty much persuaded at least one non mafia. Or he's persuaded one mafia. Maybe Xtfftc is town and Tunkeg is mafia? Think flexibly :D Plus, if the mafia wants you dead, they have very effecient ways of killing people, I hear. Hear that on the mafia QT? o_0 I kid, I kid. I left out one other possibility: you ARE mafia, and people are on to you, and you're looking for a way to look town. o_0 Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:55 Bluelightz wrote:
Since Grackaroni brought up the topic for the next day lynch,
My guesses are
BKEXE/jay
any other guesses? I don't think jay is a good lynch target for tomorrow, since we're killing him in 1 hour.
Damnit, you're on to my so well hidden plan! *shakes fist*
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 08:58 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 08:50 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Current Votes:
jaybrundage (7): Blazinghand, Adam4167, Velinath, ey215, BroodKingEXE, Grackaroni, Bluelightz
ey215 (2): xtfftc, Tunkeg
Velinath (1): jaybrundage
Hypothetically, JB could change his vote to you, AND Star could come back and vote for you, AND two people could switch their votes from JB to you. This would cause you to go up to 6 votes and JB to go down to 5, and would require the cooperation of four (4) people, when there are currently 3 mafia in the game, and make it painfully obvious who mafia was. I recognize how persuasive Xtfftc has been and will continue to attempt to be. If he had gotten you to change his vote a few hours ago I do think I could have been lynched today, hence why you got my post on him and Grackaroni. I wanted to give as much information as possible for town to go off of when I flip town. After that I lost track of time, had no idea how close we were to deadline. Ah. Well, I have no idea whether you're town or mafia, but I've got a pretty solid read on JB being mafia. There are 6 people for whom this is the same. Judging by the vote count, there are two people voting for you. I wouldn't worry too much. I think what really made the case fully was today. I noticed on one of the stickied threads that once your nailed as scum to basically don't say anything or nothing of substance so as to deny further information. Pretty much sums him up.
Assuming he's read the stickies, of course; he played a pretty bad game as mafia, so it's not unreasonable to postulate he could just be an incredibly bad townie. He's probably not, but who knows to what depths someone who claims he missed the day post will sink!
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:58 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 09 2011 08:50 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Current Votes:
jaybrundage (7): Blazinghand, Adam4167, Velinath, ey215, BroodKingEXE, Grackaroni, Bluelightz
ey215 (2): xtfftc, Tunkeg
Velinath (1): jaybrundage
Hypothetically, JB could change his vote to you, AND Star could come back and vote for you, AND two people could switch their votes from JB to you. This would cause you to go up to 6 votes and JB to go down to 5, and would require the cooperation of four (4) people, when there are currently 3 mafia in the game, and make it painfully obvious who mafia was. I recognize how persuasive Xtfftc has been and will continue to attempt to be. If he had gotten you to change his vote a few hours ago I do think I could have been lynched today, hence why you got my post on him and Grackaroni. I wanted to give as much information as possible for town to go off of when I flip town. After that I lost track of time, had no idea how close we were to deadline. Ah. Well, I have no idea whether you're town or mafia, but I've got a pretty solid read on JB being mafia. There are 6 people for whom this is the same. Judging by the vote count, there are two people voting for you. I wouldn't worry too much. I think what really made the case fully was today. I noticed on one of the stickied threads that once your nailed as scum to basically don't say anything or nothing of substance so as to deny further information. Pretty much sums him up. Assuming he's read the stickies, of course; he played a pretty bad game as mafia, so it's not unreasonable to postulate he could just be an incredibly bad townie. He's probably not, but who knows to what depths someone who claims he missed the day post will sink!
I still can't believe he claimed to miss the day post. Like, I... it's such bad play either way. What the hell kind of mafia player pretends he misses the day post. What the hell kind of town player misses the day post? What if, via some horrible tragedy, he was a mafia player AND he honestly missed the day post, compounding bad upon bad!?
Like, when he claimed he missed it, I went to reddit and found the jackie chan "wtf" photo. I didn't post it, but I was considering an image-macro response to his statement that he didn't notice the day post.
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On December 09 2011 08:22 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
THINGS TO CONSIDER
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I've become concerned with BH's presence in this game.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
He tells people to switch to EB for not voting -------> people switch to EB
He tells people to switch to BByte ------> BByte is lynched
He tells people to not talk at night ------> Mine is one of the first posts that's not his.
I voted for 2/3 of these people; I feel like maybe I wouldn't have put my vote on them if BH had not suggested to.
The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town.
The last newbie game was lost because of too much trust in 2 players, 1 of them ended up being scum.
I don't know if it's been different for other people, but the main reason I started believing BH was definitely town was his activity level throughout the game. He seemed to be actively scum hunting at the start accusing people, but in reality at the start of the game all he did was jump on people who didn't post yet because they were busy/didn't know the game had started.
I believe that scum would more likely want to draw less attention to themselves but It's possible that BH is actually just a good player that posts and accuses a lot regardless of his alignment.
I feel like we pushed the "easy" lynches of Adam/BByte and EB (before he started analyzing) This is fine for day1, but come day2 we better be more willing to look thoroughly into the players who have been active and are "contributing". (the chance that scum wouldn't have a single active player goes beyond unlikely...)
My point about BH is this : He has a lot of town cred and has gained a very strong position as a trusted townie and a town leader role. Remember to remain cautious of him and that there are no truly confirmed townies. Everyone should be having their own opinions for the lynch tomorrow, not following BH's.
My last point : ONLY MAFIA KNOW THEIR REASONS FOR KILLING A PLAYER
let me explain, in this hypothetical situation I have been shot by the mafia. When you look through my filter do not use things I said as main parts of analysis because you cannot truly know why they would have killed me.
When you looked through my filter after my hypothetical death, do not use arguments such as:
OMG, HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TUNKEG THEREFORE TUNKEG IS MAFIA TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF!
HE WAS SIDING WITH XSKSC, THEREFORE XSKSC IS MAFIA TRYING TO PAINT HIMSELF MORE TOWN!
BH KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE FELT BH WAS GETTING TOO MUCH POWER AND THAT TOWNIES WERE FOLLOWING HIM BLINDLY!
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
By the way BH, if they manage to get enough votes flipped onto me to lynch me today then I expect them to come after you Day 3. The post above lays the groundwork for it. Not too committal, but planting that seed of doubt.
So you would rather follow BH to the end of the earth? a LOT of people sheeped him day1 which is just too dangerous. People were considering him a confirmed townie and if he was scum the game would be hopeless.
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On December 09 2011 09:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 08:22 ey215 wrote:On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
THINGS TO CONSIDER
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I've become concerned with BH's presence in this game.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
He tells people to switch to EB for not voting -------> people switch to EB
He tells people to switch to BByte ------> BByte is lynched
He tells people to not talk at night ------> Mine is one of the first posts that's not his.
I voted for 2/3 of these people; I feel like maybe I wouldn't have put my vote on them if BH had not suggested to.
The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town.
The last newbie game was lost because of too much trust in 2 players, 1 of them ended up being scum.
I don't know if it's been different for other people, but the main reason I started believing BH was definitely town was his activity level throughout the game. He seemed to be actively scum hunting at the start accusing people, but in reality at the start of the game all he did was jump on people who didn't post yet because they were busy/didn't know the game had started.
I believe that scum would more likely want to draw less attention to themselves but It's possible that BH is actually just a good player that posts and accuses a lot regardless of his alignment.
I feel like we pushed the "easy" lynches of Adam/BByte and EB (before he started analyzing) This is fine for day1, but come day2 we better be more willing to look thoroughly into the players who have been active and are "contributing". (the chance that scum wouldn't have a single active player goes beyond unlikely...)
My point about BH is this : He has a lot of town cred and has gained a very strong position as a trusted townie and a town leader role. Remember to remain cautious of him and that there are no truly confirmed townies. Everyone should be having their own opinions for the lynch tomorrow, not following BH's.
My last point : ONLY MAFIA KNOW THEIR REASONS FOR KILLING A PLAYER
let me explain, in this hypothetical situation I have been shot by the mafia. When you look through my filter do not use things I said as main parts of analysis because you cannot truly know why they would have killed me.
When you looked through my filter after my hypothetical death, do not use arguments such as:
OMG, HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TUNKEG THEREFORE TUNKEG IS MAFIA TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF!
HE WAS SIDING WITH XSKSC, THEREFORE XSKSC IS MAFIA TRYING TO PAINT HIMSELF MORE TOWN!
BH KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE FELT BH WAS GETTING TOO MUCH POWER AND THAT TOWNIES WERE FOLLOWING HIM BLINDLY!
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
By the way BH, if they manage to get enough votes flipped onto me to lynch me today then I expect them to come after you Day 3. The post above lays the groundwork for it. Not too committal, but planting that seed of doubt. So you would rather follow BH to the end of the earth? a LOT of people sheeped him day1 which is just too dangerous. People were considering him a confirmed townie and if he was scum the game would be hopeless.
BH or you? I take BH.
I wasn't pointing out whether you were right or wrong on the sheeping. I was pointing out that there was a groundwork being laid to get him lynched if there is a doctor and they managed to save him (if he's town) tonight.
Don't use me against him, if you think he's mafia go make your case.
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Blazinghand
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Nonononono there's no "taking" anyone. People here will make cases and do their best to support them. It's also possible that Grackaroni and I are both town, you know. There's no following anyone to the end of any earth. Please gentlemen go about your business and form reasoned opinions ._.
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On December 09 2011 09:17 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:10 Grackaroni wrote:On December 09 2011 08:22 ey215 wrote:On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
THINGS TO CONSIDER
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I've become concerned with BH's presence in this game.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
He tells people to switch to EB for not voting -------> people switch to EB
He tells people to switch to BByte ------> BByte is lynched
He tells people to not talk at night ------> Mine is one of the first posts that's not his.
I voted for 2/3 of these people; I feel like maybe I wouldn't have put my vote on them if BH had not suggested to.
The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town.
The last newbie game was lost because of too much trust in 2 players, 1 of them ended up being scum.
I don't know if it's been different for other people, but the main reason I started believing BH was definitely town was his activity level throughout the game. He seemed to be actively scum hunting at the start accusing people, but in reality at the start of the game all he did was jump on people who didn't post yet because they were busy/didn't know the game had started.
I believe that scum would more likely want to draw less attention to themselves but It's possible that BH is actually just a good player that posts and accuses a lot regardless of his alignment.
I feel like we pushed the "easy" lynches of Adam/BByte and EB (before he started analyzing) This is fine for day1, but come day2 we better be more willing to look thoroughly into the players who have been active and are "contributing". (the chance that scum wouldn't have a single active player goes beyond unlikely...)
My point about BH is this : He has a lot of town cred and has gained a very strong position as a trusted townie and a town leader role. Remember to remain cautious of him and that there are no truly confirmed townies. Everyone should be having their own opinions for the lynch tomorrow, not following BH's.
My last point : ONLY MAFIA KNOW THEIR REASONS FOR KILLING A PLAYER
let me explain, in this hypothetical situation I have been shot by the mafia. When you look through my filter do not use things I said as main parts of analysis because you cannot truly know why they would have killed me.
When you looked through my filter after my hypothetical death, do not use arguments such as:
OMG, HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TUNKEG THEREFORE TUNKEG IS MAFIA TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF!
HE WAS SIDING WITH XSKSC, THEREFORE XSKSC IS MAFIA TRYING TO PAINT HIMSELF MORE TOWN!
BH KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE FELT BH WAS GETTING TOO MUCH POWER AND THAT TOWNIES WERE FOLLOWING HIM BLINDLY!
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
By the way BH, if they manage to get enough votes flipped onto me to lynch me today then I expect them to come after you Day 3. The post above lays the groundwork for it. Not too committal, but planting that seed of doubt. So you would rather follow BH to the end of the earth? a LOT of people sheeped him day1 which is just too dangerous. People were considering him a confirmed townie and if he was scum the game would be hopeless. BH or you? I take BH. I wasn't pointing out whether you were right or wrong on the sheeping. I was pointing out that there was a groundwork being laid to get him lynched if there is a doctor and they managed to save him (if he's town) tonight. Don't use me against him, if you think he's mafia go make your case.
I didn't say one time in that quote that BH was mafia. Is this the only post you have for me "laying out my groundwork to lynch him after I fail to shoot him."
BH is amazing at making analysis posts and secured a spot early as the town leader. Naturally people began to sheep him which I felt was dangerous because there are no confirmed towns.
Build a real case against me. What you are saying is hypothetical, that my post telling people to make their own opinions and to not sheep BH because there are no confirmed townies is groundwork for lynching him.
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On December 09 2011 09:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:17 ey215 wrote:On December 09 2011 09:10 Grackaroni wrote:On December 09 2011 08:22 ey215 wrote:On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
THINGS TO CONSIDER
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I've become concerned with BH's presence in this game.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
He tells people to switch to EB for not voting -------> people switch to EB
He tells people to switch to BByte ------> BByte is lynched
He tells people to not talk at night ------> Mine is one of the first posts that's not his.
I voted for 2/3 of these people; I feel like maybe I wouldn't have put my vote on them if BH had not suggested to.
The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town.
The last newbie game was lost because of too much trust in 2 players, 1 of them ended up being scum.
I don't know if it's been different for other people, but the main reason I started believing BH was definitely town was his activity level throughout the game. He seemed to be actively scum hunting at the start accusing people, but in reality at the start of the game all he did was jump on people who didn't post yet because they were busy/didn't know the game had started.
I believe that scum would more likely want to draw less attention to themselves but It's possible that BH is actually just a good player that posts and accuses a lot regardless of his alignment.
I feel like we pushed the "easy" lynches of Adam/BByte and EB (before he started analyzing) This is fine for day1, but come day2 we better be more willing to look thoroughly into the players who have been active and are "contributing". (the chance that scum wouldn't have a single active player goes beyond unlikely...)
My point about BH is this : He has a lot of town cred and has gained a very strong position as a trusted townie and a town leader role. Remember to remain cautious of him and that there are no truly confirmed townies. Everyone should be having their own opinions for the lynch tomorrow, not following BH's.
My last point : ONLY MAFIA KNOW THEIR REASONS FOR KILLING A PLAYER
let me explain, in this hypothetical situation I have been shot by the mafia. When you look through my filter do not use things I said as main parts of analysis because you cannot truly know why they would have killed me.
When you looked through my filter after my hypothetical death, do not use arguments such as:
OMG, HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TUNKEG THEREFORE TUNKEG IS MAFIA TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF!
HE WAS SIDING WITH XSKSC, THEREFORE XSKSC IS MAFIA TRYING TO PAINT HIMSELF MORE TOWN!
BH KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE FELT BH WAS GETTING TOO MUCH POWER AND THAT TOWNIES WERE FOLLOWING HIM BLINDLY!
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
By the way BH, if they manage to get enough votes flipped onto me to lynch me today then I expect them to come after you Day 3. The post above lays the groundwork for it. Not too committal, but planting that seed of doubt. So you would rather follow BH to the end of the earth? a LOT of people sheeped him day1 which is just too dangerous. People were considering him a confirmed townie and if he was scum the game would be hopeless. BH or you? I take BH. I wasn't pointing out whether you were right or wrong on the sheeping. I was pointing out that there was a groundwork being laid to get him lynched if there is a doctor and they managed to save him (if he's town) tonight. Don't use me against him, if you think he's mafia go make your case. I didn't say one time in that quote that BH was mafia. Is this the only post you have for me "laying out my groundwork to lynch him after I fail to shoot him." BH is amazing at making analysis posts and secured a spot early as the town leader. Naturally people began to sheep him which I felt was dangerous because there are no confirmed towns. Build a real case against me. What you are saying is hypothetical, that my post telling people to make their own opinions and to not sheep BH because there are no confirmed townies is groundwork for lynching him.
Real case on you posted above. You saw it, wrote it off and moved on. Not my fault you're choosing to ignore it.
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On December 09 2011 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Nonononono there's no "taking" anyone. People here will make cases and do their best to support them. It's also possible that Grackaroni and I are both town, you know. There's no following anyone to the end of any earth. Please gentlemen go about your business and form reasoned opinions ._.
Don't worry, I know where my vote's going Day 3.
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On December 04 2011 15:01 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:42 Velinath wrote:On December 04 2011 14:20 Blazinghand wrote:I want to hear what you have to say. Don't flop around like you did in your first post. Be a man. Do the right thing. On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady.
I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK.
As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot Hi, this also feels noncontributive. I feel like what Blazinghand was looking for was more of an opinion on one of the matters we've been discussing in the thread. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Lynch All Lurkers policy discussed a couple of pages back. Adding questions but no answers isn't really posting content, at least not in my eyes. I'd just like to point out that Blazinghand is calling out people for giving their opinions. I guess if it's not groundbreaking then it's fluff. While I agree with you that just posting a question isn't enough, giving an opinion that agrees with others shouldn't be considered not participating. If we're going to win, the town needs to work together and discouraging newer townies to post by slapping them around when they do is probably not the right answer.
As you can see I can take a random quote from your filter and make the same case against you quite easily.
You are saying that Blazinghand is attacking newbies by asking them for their opinions.
You make an argument that it is perfectly fine for you to sheep other people. (which you have done all game long)
He is slapping newbies around and discouraging others from posting - you are saying he is anti-town.
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