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Dear TL,
Yesterday after coming back from thanksgiving break, one of my roommates said he needed to talk to me. I didn"t really think of it and gladly sat down and asked him whats up. I was not ready at all for what came next, as he started firing off at me....
But before I get to the juice of the story, I should share some background so people better under- stand me. First off my name is David, I am nineteen and right now live with two roommates fifteen minutes away from URI(aka University of Rhode Island). Let me say that since i got my first game-boy, I have been addicting to video games. When I received my first computer in 7th grade, I'm pretty sure I cried for a good ten minutes lol. From then on I was on my computer playing everyday, this as a result had serous effect's on my grades. As towards the end of middle school and high school i did god awful. I mean I barley graduated in 12th grade, now most would assume that this kid must be a fckin dumb ass. I mean come on HS is a joke, well sad truth is i didn't care at all. I would come home everyday play games and talk on vent with my friends I had made over the years. My mom would ground me and scream, even threaten to send me away. But i truly didn't give a fuck, I used every trick in the book to get around her lol. I had multiple mouses, keyboards and even a few fifty foot Ethernet cables. People may wonder why didn't my mom move the whole computer, well lucky for me my uncle had bought me one of the orginal dell XPS's. This bad boy was hugeeeee, and covered in steal not plastic. It was a bitch to move so I was covered here hehe.
Now here comes the first twist, growing up i was not proud at all of my gaming life. In fact i was a massive lurker gamer, no one in my school new i played video games. Even my closer friends who i grew upwith didn't fully know how much time i put in on the computer. Was i proud of this shit? Hell no, looking back i wish i didn't give a fuck about girls or fitting in. It wasn't until one of my friends showed me this great site, that i truly started to be proud of my nerdness. I have everyone to thank on this site from the troll's to the big four, five digit boys who have given me endless information and laughs. Since the first moment i made my TL account coming up on almost a year I have spent every morning and evening browsing the forums. Yes I was a TL lurker for most the year but I think it was good to learn and watch what others said. I don't plan on getting banned anytime soon : )
Sadly this is when the story gets sad and I must get to my point of why i made this blog in the first place. After HS I tried to go to college but had very bad results, it wasn't the freedom or drugs, or parties. No it was me not giving a shit about my work and playing too much god dam sc2. I decided that school right now was not for me and with that I got my first real job. My family has a connect with a company called Dale Pro audio in NYC, and it just happened they had a opening cause one of their people was going back to school.(ironic don't you think) Anyway the amazing thing about this job is i can work from anywhere as long as I have internet, and a phone. I pretty much work for the salesman finding out about the order's and checking ETA's.This gave me the freedom to get away from new york which i have been trying to do since i was a little kid. The job is a 9:30 - 5:30, five days a week. I must be on Aim and have my phone by me at all times which pretty much means... guess what???? Im on my computer all day at home lolol. I won't lie at times it can be very stressful. I can have a lot of people asking me questions at the same time, and if i mess up it could be losses for thousands of dollars. However there are times when things are more quieter and i get to enjoy the finer things in life, like reading forums and watching steams. With that all in mind, Before the school year started one my best friends for ten years now said he needed a third roommate up at URI. I jumped at the chance, it sounded like a great idea. I would work during the week and on the weekend go out and see what URI was about. Up until yesterday i thought things were going well.. There have been zero fights or problems in the house. I usually go out on the weekends and we all have a good time.
The conversation.....
Sorry about the huge amount of text i have wrote, if you have made it this far I thank you very much!! I am up writing this now at four in the mourning because I cant sleep tonight. My mind is swirling thoughts around in my head like a vortex. Finally... My roommate's said to me that I am not being social enough in the house, that they do not like me working from home. They think its weird that I am not going to school and apparently their friends think so also. They think that i should leave the house and move back home because quote "you are not fitting in with our friends". They say that I am playing to much on the computer and its not right... I looked into my best friends eyes and saw no friend i knew. There was a time when he would always say you have to accept people for who they are but i guess that's not always the case is it. When i said what the fuck do you guys mean,they gave me some amazing fckin examples..
roommate : "well man when some of our friends come over you never watch TV with us" me: i have to watch tv with you guys when ever you have friends over? roommate : ignoring the questing " there is a growing void between us and it may be good for you to leave" me: your at the library 6hrs a day until 10oclock, what would like me to do? roommate : "your playing to much video games, its not right or healthy for you" me: your smoking cig's everyday now....
This went on for a good 30 minutes, of him going off on me. I didn't say much, cause i was too joked up. These were some of the first people I've let see my gaming life and they can't stand it. They didn't understand what, gaming and esports meant to me : ( I kept a strong face though refusing to show weakness to them and went to my room where i begin to try and understand what i did wrong. It made no sense in my mind, i always went out on the weekends. I was always to nice to anyone that came over, even kids i didn't really like. I always played with headphones and never made any noise. TL I wrote this because i really have no one else to tell my story to,sadly you are all I've got when it comes to this kind of stuff. This was one of the hardest thing I've done in awhile, I haven't written this much since like 10th grade lol pretty sad i know... Anyway I'm looking for some advise and kind words to help me out <3 I don't really have a lot of options because my mom will not let me stay home for more then a week or so. Thank You to everyone who has read this, im sure it wasn't pretty. Im not a very good writer and a worse speller
Thank You again,
David lager
P.S. shutout to Ryan aka Juked, one of the best boys i know!
P.S. If my situation doesn't get better i will need a place to live lol, may be looking for a room to rent between 400-600$ a month.(we will see *^* )
EDIT: Thanks so far for that people that have posted, I wasn't going to lie about how some of the conversion went down. Some people think it was rude, I wasn't really thinking straight at the time i will admit but i don't think i was violent lolol like someone said.
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your friend sounds like a middle school girl. Honestly, you sound like a pretty good roommate, unless there is something you are omitting like extremely dirty or rude or something like that. Your main mistake was living with a judgmental asshole.
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Yeah dude, you can try and reason with him, but failing that, just ignore him. I went through a similar thing with my roommate disapproving of the amount of games I played. In the end, he let it drop when I reminded him that it was my hobby which I was free to pursue, and that it shouldn't bother him because it didn't interfere with his life. You are free to make your own choices, and however good/bad they may be, it is not the place of your roommate to dictate to you if they are acceptable, as long as they aren't affecting his life (and I can't see how gaming could do that).
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I've know this guy for a good portion of my life and I can vouch he has not done anything rude or wrong to deserve this. He just lives a life he happy with an that's really what we all want. Gaming to some people seems wierd, or just being on the computer is a foreign concept to some. This does not mean one has to be discriminated or hated on because they have different hobbies/interests. I have not met a person that has had a problem with David as hes easy going and very happy person(expect when playing LoL) .I'm class right now and will definitely keep thinking bout this.
David come live me with me next year. Well make a gaming house (MLG 2012 let's go!)
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On November 29 2011 06:57 Geosensation wrote: your friend sounds like a middle school girl. Honestly, you sound like a pretty good roommate, unless there is something you are omitting like extremely dirty or rude or something like that. Your main mistake was living with a judgmental asshole.
Pretty much.
I have a somewhat similar story...
I live with a friend I met through a BF2 clan, and we're both pretty heavy gamers. We played D&D with a group of mutual friends and it would always be a good time unless my roommate decided to be assanine about something. (That's a rant I wont go into here.) A year or so ago Final Fantasy 14 came out. He played it for a few months then dropped it because "the game is basically a beta." He left it for a few patches then picked it up, since then he has quit playing D&D with us, doesn't smoke up with us anymore (We're fairly big stoners), and has lost his job. He's now depending on our other roommate to buy him food and pay for rent. Luckily the other roommate can pay for all this though. He has stopped bathing regularly, and some days when he comes into my room to show me a funny video or something he stinks up my room for an hour or two. It's kind of nice that he's always around if I need to talk to someone about something, but his lifestyle isn't really that good for him.
He also leaves all my fucking plates in his room dirty for weeks on end. Anyway, he's become fairly distant to everyone that we both know. I think as long as you're not doing any of the things that he's doing/has done you'll be fine.
Hell if it comes down to you needing a new place you'll probably be better off without him. Just let the person you're moving in with next know that you're a gamer first.
*Edit* On November 29 2011 07:15 juked wrote:David come live me with me next year. Well make a gaming house (MLG 2012 let's go!)
Can I come!?
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Is he trying to make the apartment a frat house? A roommate is not obliged to be a "bro" unless you live in a frat house. Sounds like he's having trouble accepting you and getting caught up in his own view of a college life.
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It always sucks when you think your life is just dandy, your hoping down the street happy as can be and then boom, all of a sudden someone drops a bomb like that on you and you have to take a second to look back at your life and go wtf? I've seen people that do their friend's when I was the one coming over and it made me loss all respect for that person so I can just imagine how you must feel about that crap. That's no friend that's for sure, what kind of clique is he running in that house, its like take a drag or gtfo... ruins your whole day for a moment but don't fret man, this is the start of something twice as good, because for the longest time you've been living in a lie and now you know wtf is up and you can make the best of it and move on cause that sounds like a douche of a house it live in anyways.
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That sucks. My friends have always been weirdly curious about my game life, but I don't know what would happen if they actually had to experience it. My advice? Find a gamer house! Maybe you can find a nice community of gamers already to take you in. Seems like someone already made a post about that too. Your friend sounds like a douche, don't worry about it too much ^_^. I wouldn't live with someone who smokes, either anyways.
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lol.
That was my first response to all of this. They are the type of people to say - if someone is not doing what i do, they are wrong and it is not right, in life, to do anything other than what i do. Its stupid. Watching TV with people you are not friends with is more important than doing what you want to do? Honestly fuck'em. You can find better people to be friends with.
The first place i lived in, i lived with a good 4 people. I barely left my room. I was friends with 1 of the people. We had no issues. A good roommate does not mean a social roommate. It means clean, quiet when required and well not an asshole. It has nothing to do with watching TV in the living room. The house i lived in - we all hung out maybe 3 times a month or when one of us threw a party at the place. It just blows my mind that you could even get that close to people like this.
The best way to live life is by being yourself to everyone. EVERYONE. Sure there are instances where you have to do a little acting - customer service, to you boss. Things like that. But to people around you, friends, family you should not have to hide anything. If they dont like you for who you are fuck'em. Dont surround yourself with people who only like you when you are pretending to be something your not - or removing a part of you that they might not take part in.
It took me a long time to actually put that into practice tho and at the end of the day, you will feel better about yourself 10 fold.
I cant imagine what my reaction would be if i had friends that did this to me. I would probably laugh in their face, point out how i am happy with my life and how what they are doing is absolutely pointless to begin with. The value of what you do in life isnt measured by how much tv you get to watch with friends, or even how many "friends" you have. It isnt measured by how much money you blew on school, or what job you end up getting, its about how you feel deep inside about yourself. I have about 4 friends, i know about 10ppl i could probably call and hang out with. It seems these people are in the category of people you know, and not friends.
My suggestion is keep working if you dont want to go to school - move out somewhere, even on your own at first is fine. Living by yourself can be epic after awhile - at first it is weird being the only one around tho but it is absolutely fantastic. The down side with your work is you dont meet co-workers, but im sure you can figure something out to meet people who wont judge you over something as trivial as time on the computer.
All the comments here will be bias tho since we all love out computer games - but i can honestly say i would never be friends with someone who judged me based on how much i am on the computer because thats kind of thing is irrelevant to a friendship.
-----They are acting like you dont live there. A friend calls me up im down to go hang out with them, i will even leave in the middle of a match. If i live with them? It is a whole different story. It is not like you dont see them all the time. You are not obligated to hang out with them at all times. You live there, your not over for a visit to chill. People like that annoy the crap out of me. Live and let live, just because someone has different priorities does not make them not right or strange. -----
Out of my 4 real friends, 2 are girls 2 are guys, 1 is a punk rocker who cooks for his profession - loves doing it, 1 is a metal head/gamer who is about to go to school for air traffic control (maybe ;P), 1 is black and parties like no other, and one is just an old friend - i dont think we relate on much at all honestly lol yet she is the one i talk to the most. Not one of these people has ever judged me based on how much i am on my computer - and all of them truly know how much of a nerd i am haha.
If they cant be your friend just because your "different" from their way of life, its time to burn that bridge in my opinion. Perhaps thats too harsh? But that is how i roll.
Sorry if i come off a little mean - but ppl who judge that hard are so epically annoying and it is just because they dont understand anything other than what they do and are ignorant. Ppl hate on differences - always have and always will. If you dont surround yourself with people who hate for no reason you will be much happier GL HF GG Hopefully my wall of text is coherent enough lol. I am exhausted atm D:
Edit- i realize what is going through their head when they are all hanging out tho. They are chillin and there is just that 1 person who is around the house not hanging out. It can be awkward for some. But in all honesty why cant you go to the kitchen and it not be weird? Only because of them - not you. Any time my roommates have friends over that i dont hang out with and i need to go do something outside my room. I go do it, walk passed them, say whats up and go on with my life. They are chill, i am chill. End of story. That is how it should always be when living with multiple people. Instead you live with insecure friends who need everyone to be around them. it silly.
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In all my years of living on my own, I can tell you that this is not a gaming problem but a living with friends problem. It always seems like a great idea moving in with friends, "Hey we hang out all the time anyways and get along fine!" However, I find, problems always arise due to a lack of boundaries that you would have finding a random stranger as a roommate. Usually having a roommate is more of a business arrangement, pay your rent on time, don't wake me up in the middle of the night and don't trash the place. However with friends this gets a little complicated because, those walls don't exist, some people expect it to be friend time all the time.Those normal boundaries get stepped on harder than a kilo of coke that traveled from Belize to the North Pole. Growing up an only child, I absolutely need alone time. I work a job where i'm talking to people all day, the last thing I want to do when I'm done with work is "Bro Out" Maybe some people have had luck living with friends but for the most part people that I lived with that started as friends have been relegated to "Head Nod" Acquaintances. Now I live on my own and don't think I could ever go back to having roommates again.
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Your friend sounds like a douche, but there are always two sides to a story, and just to be devil's advocate, I'll take your friends' side, so bear with me for a bit. Obviously you were the one who wrote this blog, so it is not unlikely that there could be some parts of the story that were untold either because you don't know it, or you purposely left them out. To quote you, you seem to have a serious addiction to gaming/being on the computer, to the extent that it has affected your relationship with your parents and your friends. Perhaps your loved ones are genuinely concerned about this addiction, but don't know how to broach the subject due to their own unease with the subject matter. If that were the case, they obviously didn't do a good job in delivering their concern, but it doesn't mean they did what they did to make you feel like crap.
+ Show Spoiler +roommate : "well man when some of our friends come over you never watch TV with us" me: i have to watch tv with you guys when ever you have friends over? roommate : ignoring the questing " there is a growing void between us and it may be good for you to leave" me: your at the library 6hrs a day until 10oclock, what would like me to do? roommate : "your playing to much video games, its not right or healthy for you" me: your smoking cig's everyday now.... Being proud of your nerdiness is fine, as I'm pretty sure all of us on TL have a side of nerdiness to us :D, but embracing it and gloating about it are two different things. You weren't exactly being a nice guy in this conversation; if I hadn't read the prelude, your roommate could have been the nice guy genuinely concerned for your friendship, and wanted see if he could help out as a friend in some way, but failed because you blew him off with snide remarks every time. Of course, the context of it changes everything, but that's assuming that you gave an unbiased prelude, and again, I'm being devil's advocate. Friendship is a two-wheeled bicycle, and it doesn't sound like you put in much effort to see it from his side of the story. It's unfair for you to solely blame your friend for the fallout: if he can't accept you as a friend, then you should either try to resolve the situation by looking at it from his point of view, or just walk away and accept the consequences that embracing your nerdiness has.
With all that said, I still think he's a douche, and I'm by no means calling you a liar that tells distorted anecdotes. Going off of your story, it doesn't sound like it's a relationship worth pursuing, and I believe one of the earlier repliers' account that you are a nice guy in real life. I just wrote what I wrote because taking on a new perspective can oftentimes help you sort things out, and it sounds like you are pretty shaken up from hearing such nasty things from someone you once considered a close friend. Sleep on it for a while before doing anything rash or emotional, because true friendship doesn't come easily, and it would suck for you to lose a good friend if this were all some sort of misunderstanding/miscommunication.
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I would actually side with the roommate.
Why does your fun take precedence over theirs? Why does theirs take precedence over yours? If you invite people over and you have this weird person that flat out refuses to socialize with people it makes you weird by association.
"Hey welcome to my house, this my room and this is the room with the guy that never ever leaves his room and will weirdly nod at you when he akwardly stumbles into the room to get food"
People can have seriously distorted views of themselves. You might think you act perfectly normal but you are most likely walking out of tune with everyone else.
You said you never told anyone about your gaming before and you also said that it has been pretty much all your life has been about. So what exactly did you talk about?
Not talking about games doesn't make you interesting. Not talking about playing dungeons and dragons doesn't mean you are not a geek. Being sociable is a whole lot more then not talking about things that people consider "non-mainstream".
You said you never saw this coming. So what is realistic? You missing all the signs whilst you locked yourself in your room or your friends never ever giving off even the slightest of a hint?
"Hey wanna watch a movie with us?"
"Nah gonna play Starcraft 2"
It doesn't take a whole lot of those responses before people start to catch on, you don't want to spend time with them.
Sure if you get asked flat out, do you hang out with your friends or do you want to hang out with your friends, you will lie and tell others and even yourself that "sure i wanna hang out with my friends" but you never really did that.
Whenever they ask you to watch TV or a movie you would just tell them no. You had to play games, you had to have the fun.
You cared for playing games, they cared for having a sociale environment. Your fun was more important then theirs.
You don't click with these people. If you want to sit behind a computer all day then go sit behind a computer all day on your own because it's obvious you don't need anyone else. Why do you need to sit in the same house as these people and leech off their presence, pretending like you are actually friends with them when you don't do anything with them.
You are proud about how you gave your mom the run around. You cling to that same old boring cliche where you pretend that you are super smart but you just didn't put in the effort. You want the credit for being smart but you are too lazy to put the work in. Newsflash snowflake, everyone in the world thinks they could be Hawkings if they "just put the effort in".
Frankly i find it ridiculous all these people are actually siding with you. Everything you said seems to hint at you being a shut in that only wants to play video games. You claim to go out every weekend but considering your description i find that rather doubtfull.
Whenever people point out that you invest way too much time into videogames you just go full on self-defence. You did it with your mother as you laughed behind her back and you do it now as you try to throw back weak come-backs at your friends rather then face the facts.
It's easier to just pretend like everyone is out to get you rather then face the facts that you are 19 years old and have wasted the early parts of your youth by playing an unhealthy ammount of videogames.
I really think TL can be a toxic environment at times with people defending this kind of behaviour.
Pull that computer off the wall, plug it out. See how hollow that life of yours is without it and wonder if it's really healthy to invest that much of your life into any single thing.
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Zalz makes some good points. I think there are social aspects of being a roommate. He will hole up in his room and fap for hours (seriously) and we are all weirded out by him. That said, he pays rent and shit so we aren't going to be a dick to him. They really went about things wrong, but that said it's not too bad to hang out with people and not sit in front of a computer all day. (just sometimes)
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On November 29 2011 08:13 zalz wrote: I would actually side with the roommate. Why does your fun take precedence over theirs? Why does theirs take precedence over yours? If you invite people over and you have this weird person that flat out refuses to socialize with people it makes you weird by association. "Hey welcome to my house, this my room and this is the room with the guy that never ever leaves his room and will weirdly nod at you when he akwardly stumbles into the room to get food" People can have seriously distorted views of themselves. You might think you act perfectly normal but you are most likely walking out of tune with everyone else. You said you never told anyone about your gaming before and you also said that it has been pretty much all your life has been about. So what exactly did you talk about? Not talking about games doesn't make you interesting. Not talking about playing dungeons and dragons doesn't mean you are not a geek. Being sociable is a whole lot more then not talking about things that people consider "non-mainstream". You said you never saw this coming. So what is realistic? You missing all the signs whilst you locked yourself in your room or your friends never ever giving off even the slightest of a hint? "Hey wanna watch a movie with us?" "Nah gonna play Starcraft 2" It doesn't take a whole lot of those responses before people start to catch on, you don't want to spend time with them. Sure if you get asked flat out, do you hang out with your friends or do you want to hang out with your friends, you will lie and tell others and even yourself that "sure i wanna hang out with my friends" but you never really did that. Whenever they ask you to watch TV or a movie you would just tell them no. You had to play games, you had to have the fun. You cared for playing games, they cared for having a sociale environment. Your fun was more important then theirs. You don't click with these people. If you want to sit behind a computer all day then go sit behind a computer all day on your own because it's obvious you don't need anyone else. Why do you need to sit in the same house as these people and leech off their presence, pretending like you are actually friends with them when you don't do anything with them. You are proud about how you gave your mom the run around. You cling to that same old boring cliche where you pretend that you are super smart but you just didn't put in the effort. You want the credit for being smart but you are too lazy to put the work in. Newsflash snowflake, everyone in the world thinks they could be Hawkings if they "just put the effort in". Frankly i find it ridiculous all these people are actually siding with you. Everything you said seems to hint at you being a shut in that only wants to play video games. You claim to go out every weekend but considering your description i find that rather doubtfull. Whenever people point out that you invest way too much time into videogames you just go full on self-defence. You did it with your mother as you laughed behind her back and you do it now as you try to throw back weak come-backs at your friends rather then face the facts. It's easier to just pretend like everyone is out to get you rather then face the facts that you are 19 years old and have wasted the early parts of your youth by playing an unhealthy ammount of videogames. I really think TL can be a toxic environment at times with people defending this kind of behaviour. Pull that computer off the wall, plug it out. See how hollow that life of yours is without it and wonder if it's really healthy to invest that much of your life into any single thing. Sigh you assume a lot of things in your blog on my blog that are false and you don't know the facts.... For one I never said i was 'really smart" just said i didnt give a shit. Second i don't have a desk in my room, so i cant play 'all day locked in my room', i have to play in the kitchen and i dont play games with people over... Third your straight butchering everything i said, and i don't think you realize how dick your comments are....
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On November 29 2011 08:13 zalz wrote:
Pull that computer off the wall, plug it out. See how hollow that life of yours is without it and wonder if it's really healthy to invest that much of your life into any single thing.
Not commenting on the rest. But to say look at how hollow your life is without it. That can be said with anything someone does. People who spend almost all their free time playing basketball and thats where they socialize - stop going to the court and see how hollow your life is. But you wouldnt say anything because thats a socially acceptable thing. It really can be associated with anything. It is not about what you fill it with, its about how you feel about yourself. People have hobbies and his is computers. Remove anyone's hobby and there will be a void. He is not just playing games 24/7 either, he actually works from home so you have to take that into account.
seriously tho, telling someone to stop doing something they love and telling them their life is hollow - see? i was right! is retarded because that can be said with anything and everything. Maybe you dont enjoy doing multiple things all the time, is it really that bad? I dont think so. I am sure you have something you do on a regular basis that would make part of your life hollow aswell, does that mean you should stop doing it? absolutely not.
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Your roomates sound like people I wouldnt hang out with. If they can't accept your life and think you must change in order to better suit them, then frankly fuck them. Leave and don't look back.
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Hmmm honestly I would find an unsocial roommate annoying as well, but that would be my problem. And Zalz, you had a couple good points but what's up with the "your fun was more important than theirs" guilt trip? He made a decision to do what HE wanted with HIS time, its not like he owes them "bro time" or whatever the hell. If they're upset because someone's roommate won't hang with them, they're the ones with issues. They're roommates, not spouses.
It sounds like he's perfectly polite, not at all ANTIsocial, just UNsocial sometimes. His call, surely?
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I think people are looking in this in a very wrong way and his roommates are also looking at the wrong perspective. He works from home on his computer were there is alot of downtime to watch streams, sneak a SC game in here or there . Who wouldn't do that in a job if they had the time? His roommates look at this as a gaming addiction. I know one of his roommates personally and this person barley knows the in and outs of a computer so seeing someone uses it so much must be weird to him. Keeping one's gaming life and social life separate is a fine thing to do but when asked to stop your hobby or passion is uncalled. He is forced to be on his computer for atleast 8 hours working. This may look very weird and uncommon for a person going to school seeing someone on his computer while they have to be in class. It may look like a "gaming addiction" but hes not even playing more than 50% of the time.
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How annoying that people are still having major problems with nerds. Try for a while to see from your roomates' perspective, think long and hard about the things that had been going on as of late, and if you still have no rational answer for why they have a problem with you, fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. If they have a problem with how you live your life and it does not interfere with them or do serious bodily harm to you, after freaking preaching acceptance, they shouldn't be your friends.
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Your roommate is not your dad. You should beat him if he ever pulls that on you again. The way he treated you is so condescending it's ridiculous. He's assuming you're not mature enough to know better, so he feels like he has to teach you how to live. I'd kick HIM out if I were you.
Edit: Juked has it right. It's one thing to be grinding WoW for 16 hours a day every day and another entirely to be working on websites for 8 hours a day, making music digitally using the computer as a tool for 2-3 hours, using facebook or other social sites like TL or streams for a reasonable amount of time everyone else uses facebook/tv for, and gaming for the other 3-4. The computer is bad for you because of the radiation, but other than that it's an incredibly useful tool and I can spend all day on it making my hobbies more efficient and not touch a game. I do tend to browse TL and streams a lot though.
People who view computers as nothing more than an xbox that has facebook disgust me.
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