EPTforgg aka fin is 100% like this, double proxy mixed with hardcore macro, watch his gsl games he destroy protoss players
MLG Providence Day 3 Live Report Thread - Page 889
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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly: - NO Balance Whine. - NO Player Bashing. - NO Caster Bashing. - NO BM whatsoever. Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
forgg aka fin is 100% like this, double proxy mixed with hardcore macro, watch his gsl games he destroy protoss players | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
really? mvp basically does the same thing every game unless his opponent does something different first. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:26 CoR wrote: so with leenock top8 code s save, naniwa got code s slot ? It's been said many times now. Yes, Naniwa will be in code S. | ||
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artrea
Latvia3560 Posts
He is probably the Terran with most diverse set of openings and follow-ups, equally at ease with mech and bio. I am trying to think of something he does NOT do. Of course, he also plays reactively when oponent leaves a glaring weakness. in a longer series MVP will have a cheese or two to keep the opponent honest (just one example the infamous bunker rush on old Belshir), he has even done supply drop rush. Currently, he is the person most responsible for the popularity of Proxy Marauders. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On November 22 2011 18:52 zmansman17 wrote: Naniwa will be in Code S, thats Awesome! Yep, now that Huk isn't sure anymore even though he was first in his group in the first pool (a bit extreme that you're still at risk then but ok). | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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s3183529
Australia707 Posts
Like in football, Italy plays defensive hardcore and has many boring matches, but they are 4 time world cup champion. While Netherlands plays beautiful football, but they are forever losers, muahahahaha. Besides, Koreans use early pressure and all-in all the time against Koreans, but they do not use those strats often when playing against foreigners, especially outside of Korea. I honestly think Koreans should do any strats they feel appropriate. The game does not have nay rule stating "10 min no rush" or "macro players are the better players". Defending all-in, early pressure is a skill as well, and foreigners should be able to deal with it. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On November 22 2011 16:08 StarStruck wrote: It's been said many times now. Yes, Naniwa will be in code S. theres no GSL invitees this time so no Code S reward imo. Even Dr. Chae didnt tweet anything about the Code S spot | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On November 22 2011 21:32 Arceus wrote: theres no GSL invitees this time so no Code S reward imo. Even Dr. Chae didnt tweet anything about the Code S spot MLG did though, before the LB final. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:40 aintz wrote: really? mvp basically does the same thing every game unless his opponent does something different first. Are you serious? MVP has about a million different builds for each matchup, it's one of the things that makes him amazing. | ||
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:31 SeaSwift wrote: It has to be said though, after getting all-ined twice while using the same build and losing both times, Flash would have got the message, and would likely have already prepared a follow-up strategy in case his original failed. MC in particular (no bias, honest  ) is well-known for mixing up his openings vs Zerg: Sometimes 1base Stargate, sometimes FFE (nexus first or otherwise), sometimes 2/3gate expand, sometimes 1gate expand into fast Void Rays. Lately, he has been doing more FFEs but I think this is partly map dependent and partly just a trend in Protoss play.Agreed. Naniwa just didn't have any plan B. He kept on doing FFE on every single map for some reason. I have no idea why people say naniwa is better than leenock in a macro game because if he felt that way himself then he would have gone for 3 gate expand; i.e something much safer than a blind FFE on every single map including xel naga which is prolly the worst map for it. 3 gate sentry FE would enable him to go to a macro game where naniwa would undoubtedly win according to his biased fans. Unfortunately, naniwa must have either tilted again or felt that his macro wasn't on par with leenock so he decided to go for a FEE every single game which to be honest, wasn't very strange, because naniwa always tilts in big games. He is a top player no doubt (definately code S level) but i remember he lost vs thorzain and huk in those big finals because he lacks mental strength. Hopefully he can sort himself out and become stronger mentally. He is basically equivalent to andy murray in tennis terms. Has all the talent but lacks mental strength. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 22 2011 22:18 MCDayC wrote: Are you serious? MVP has about a million different builds for each matchup, it's one of the things that makes him amazing. For TvT, MVP does have a ton of different builds. For TvZ, he mostly sticks to Hellion expand opening but from there he can do pretty much everything. For TvP he seems to have only 2 stable, workable builds at the moment: 1) marine/tank contain off of 1/2base or 2) greedy 3rd CC bio play. The first will have to die eventually: either players will adapt to it or Blizzard will nerf it. The second currently dies to a well-executed 6gate, or at least it does given the way MVP's done it. Nothing else apart from REALLY gimmicky all-ins (that are actually all-in, not just timing attacks) like 1base 2port Banshee vs Oz, has given him success. | ||
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CokeFTW
United States39 Posts
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Fyy
Germany82 Posts
On November 22 2011 10:17 Squix wrote: Hello everyone! Does anyone know what mouse Leenock uses? thanks! Good night everyone! i think its this one http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.207541300 but im not sure | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On November 23 2011 01:10 Xercen wrote: Agreed. Naniwa just didn't have any plan B. He kept on doing FFE on every single map for some reason. I have no idea why people say naniwa is better than leenock in a macro game because if he felt that way himself then he would have gone for 3 gate expand; i.e something much safer than a blind FFE on every single map including xel naga which is prolly the worst map for it. 3 gate sentry FE would enable him to go to a macro game where naniwa would undoubtedly win according to his biased fans. Unfortunately, naniwa must have either tilted again or felt that his macro wasn't on par with leenock so he decided to go for a FEE every single game which to be honest, wasn't very strange, because naniwa always tilts in big games. He is a top player no doubt (definately code S level) but i remember he lost vs thorzain and huk in those big finals because he lacks mental strength. Hopefully he can sort himself out and become stronger mentally. He is basically equivalent to andy murray in tennis terms. Has all the talent but lacks mental strength. 3 gate sentry expand puts you at an economic disadvantage vs. zerg if you actually play it safely. Zergs will often make a bunch of lings and attack if you try to take your nexus when you have 2-3 sentries and a zealot (which is the old timing before the warp gate nerf), so you have to wait until warp gate is done for it to actually be safe. End result is that you're playing from behind for the rest of the game. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 23 2011 01:30 Whitewing wrote: 3 gate sentry expand puts you at an economic disadvantage vs. zerg if you actually play it safely. Zergs will often make a bunch of lings and attack if you try to take your nexus when you have 2-3 sentries and a zealot (which is the old timing before the warp gate nerf), so you have to wait until warp gate is done for it to actually be safe. End result is that you're playing from behind for the rest of the game. ...Which is better than outright dying every single game, no? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On November 23 2011 01:30 Whitewing wrote: 3 gate sentry expand puts you at an economic disadvantage vs. zerg if you actually play it safely. Zergs will often make a bunch of lings and attack if you try to take your nexus when you have 2-3 sentries and a zealot (which is the old timing before the warp gate nerf), so you have to wait until warp gate is done for it to actually be safe. End result is that you're playing from behind for the rest of the game. That's exactly the same position a zerg is in vs a FFE tho. It's fine that Nani tried to play it like this every game, but his build just wasn't safe. Perfect example of that is his fifth game on XNC where his forge wasn't even covered by a cannon, which is the most basic thing ever when it comes to a FFE. At that point you're just crossing your fingers and praying for your opponent to be blind and mess up his response. You can't expect your opponents to mess up every single game of the entire tournament, and he lost, as he deserved to. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On November 22 2011 15:40 aintz wrote: really? mvp basically does the same thing every game unless his opponent does something different first. Well, only in TvZ, on TvP and TvT I have seen him open up with a lot of different strats. But TvZ I always seem to remember him opening reactor Hellion expand. | ||
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