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StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
October 31 2011 16:59 GMT
#201
I am actually not surpriced ..
its was like that for cs aswell and i it ruined the scene!
I can only wish for every tournament/sponsors etc. to be more professional in the future!!
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skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
October 31 2011 16:59 GMT
#202
On November 01 2011 01:46 appe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 01:21 Jh wrote:
On November 01 2011 01:17 appe wrote:
After having won smaller sums of money from ESL's EMS TF2 tournaments, I feel for you. Even though the money usually ended up in our managers bank account around 12 months or longer after the finals, it's a shitty thing to do. This behaviour would never be accepted in most other industries. If an organization has money to pay out, they need to take a loan and make it THEIR problem. Tournament competitors are (in my very personal and farfetched opinion) a form of the organizers brands. "Oh, player X won $Y in tournament Z. Z is awesome for making my favourite player able to entertain me!". I know this isn't the correct definition, but I sometimes think of it in this way.

The only positive experience I've ever had with prize money is from the Assembly lan in Finland. They actually payed us our prize money INSTANTLY. Organizers could learn a thing or two from them, for sure.



I'm with appe here. Luckily my team also had a manager to deal with all of that so we could just focus on playing.

I retired in March this year and I'm still waiting for some prizemoney/gear...... derrrppp


Urgh, now I got reminded about UKeSA. Let's not talk about that shall we? :D


Oh god not that clusterfuck.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
October 31 2011 17:00 GMT
#203
On November 01 2011 00:57 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
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On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?


What good is a tour if they aren't going to pay up?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
October 31 2011 17:00 GMT
#204
On November 01 2011 01:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
yeah ive had similar experiences. would be nice if they got more professional. u get dqed for being 15 min late.

Scumbag ESL...
[image loading]

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Satiinifi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland192 Posts
October 31 2011 17:00 GMT
#205
Like someone already said earlier in this thread, sometimes you actually have to go begging for the prize money, instead all the tournament organizers should ALWAYS try to contact the players and keep players up to date about unpaid prize moneys.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
October 31 2011 17:00 GMT
#206
Why am I not surprised to see ESL tournaments mentioned so many times in Cloud and DarkForce's posts? Was the same in CS with prize money. I really hope they shape up and get real deadlines for prizemoney within the organizations. If not, then I would consider starting a campaign to boycutt tournaments that don't do as promised or the very least public complaints so they realise how unacceptable it is.
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Mr Mauve
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom386 Posts
October 31 2011 17:01 GMT
#207
On November 01 2011 01:37 AllHailTheDead wrote:
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On November 01 2011 01:28 DoomsVille wrote:
I don't think many of you realize the consequences of actually blacklisting tournaments.

Blacklisting an event leads to it's eventual shut down. You have to remember, most of these events do eventually pay. ESL is notorious for taking forever to pay, but they do pay. An event that takes a year to pay is better than no event at all.

Honestly, there is only one solution... there needs to be a kespa-like organization formed. One that can ensure that players aren't wasting their time/energy/money going to events where they won't be paid. Events need to be able to provide proof that they have the necessary funds to pay players before anyone commits to going. There needs to be a governing body that can speak on behalf of all foreign and Korean proteams. This won't work unless everyone agrees.




im sorry but I completely disagree with the first part(i like your 2nd idea tho)


If someone has to wait a year to get 2000 then it is completely not worth it and the tournament deserves to be shut down

and If you disagree then you must not pay any bills or have a job because anyone old enough would know that 2000 over a year is nothing when you can make twice that in a month


I'm not sure I follow, but let me say at least this - the absence of 2,000 (of any currency) is enough to make you bankrupt if you had planned your expenditure around having those 2,000 [things]. A company that turns over 100,000,000 can still go bankrupt if one of its customers fails to pay a bill before the rent's due. Cashflow is everything.

Imagine saving up 10,000 in the bank, quitting your job to go pro, "winning" 25,000 in prize money in your six months, but not actually getting any of it before your savings run out and you get evicted. That would suck pretty hard, no?
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TI51
Profile Joined October 2011
1 Post
October 31 2011 17:01 GMT
#208
On November 01 2011 01:36 BoomNasty wrote:
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On November 01 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:
I'm surprised that this many people dont know it is like this. But yeah it totally sucks. I remember there being talk on TL about this months ago and rakaka.se made some charts

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Can we all agree that MLG is the best tournament there is?


ROFL of course they're gonna pay when they have the lowest prize pool of every live event ever (and many online events)
Desiderium
Profile Joined May 2011
Belgium29 Posts
October 31 2011 17:01 GMT
#209
Sad to read that this is STILL going on in esports, especially with some of these big name organizers. I remember this being very common with WoW tournaments as well.
Trololol
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden40 Posts
October 31 2011 17:01 GMT
#210
Really hoping to see Carmac in this thread. He's always so smiley.. I wonder what he says when things get serious.
Vegalive
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
October 31 2011 17:01 GMT
#211
Sad to hear that this is actually happening. Tournaments that boast large prize pools and don't even pay out money are really disgraceful.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
October 31 2011 17:02 GMT
#212
On November 01 2011 02:00 VoirDire wrote:
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On November 01 2011 01:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
yeah ive had similar experiences. would be nice if they got more professional. u get dqed for being 15 min late.

Scumbag ESL...
[image loading]


Cracked me up. Repost for truth.

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Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
October 31 2011 17:02 GMT
#213
It's amazing how many pros stepped up and commented in this thread.. Goes to show you how common it is for players to get fucked out of money for no reason.
Drlemur
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
October 31 2011 17:02 GMT
#214
Which organizations are the most reliable or quickest to pay? I'd hope that GSL and MLG are pretty good. I'm a bit surprised to see IEM/ESL on the slow/non paying list since they seem like a pretty big group.

Do the gamers have mechanisms for sharing this kind of information among themselves or is it word of mouth at tournaments? You guys need to know where it's worth putting in your time and effort.

Good teams should and probably do have managers whose job includes chasing down missing prize money checks.

Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
October 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#215
This doesn't really surprise me very much. Managing casters, I have the same issue chasing up accounting departments or just Joe down at the local internet cafe who ran an event a few months back. This is probably the reason that in our Shoutcraft Series players are paid on the day of the tournament with the exception of those who require a bank transfer (in which case those arrangements are discussed prior to their participation). Here's to hoping that other events might be able to follow suit. I'm sure we don't all know the story behind every event, organization, individual situation, etc., but communication doesn't typically cost a lot (unless you need translators).
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stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
October 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#216
wow i had no idea this was as big of an issue as it is

looks like yall pros are gonna have to start getting agents something

drew Rosenhaus wouldn't let that shit stands for his players (he's a big shot NFL player agent)
Roberi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden347 Posts
October 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#217
Wow, this is a great thread if I ever saw one. Props to ClouD and other players that brings this to light. Hopefully this will make people understand that an organization is needed to make sure the players's rights get respected.
A fan of ThorZaIN, MorroW, NaNiwa and SaSe. Sweden Fighting! /// @rob_eri
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
October 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#218
On November 01 2011 01:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
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On November 01 2011 01:42 FreudianTrip wrote:
On November 01 2011 01:37 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 01 2011 01:33 FreudianTrip wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:54 eXigent. wrote:
I personally would seek legal methods regarding the bigger sums of money. Threatening to take these companies to court in a case where you will 100% win, they will have no choice other than pay you now, or risk going to court and damaging their companies name. I feel as though they think they can push gamers around because we do not have anyone backing us legally. I would most certainly persue that route if someone owed me 2000 euros.


K so you pay for a lawyer to take them to court and you win. Now pay your lawyer and a 30% tax on the winnings. Congrats you earned 4 Euros and 23 cents.


Well you already had to pay the 30% regardless, no?


Yes, and?

Having been on the inside while a few of the GameReplays HoN tourneys were going on, it isn't just the people running it being incompetent or greedy. Sponsors take a long ass time to pay up sometimes.


Then you should simply include lawyer fees in your argument... I understand what you were trying to say but in that context it shouldn't be included.


Yeah but then my opinion wouldnt be totally overblown and hyperbolic and no-one would read it. qq. jk.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 31 2011 17:04 GMT
#219
On November 01 2011 02:00 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 01:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
yeah ive had similar experiences. would be nice if they got more professional. u get dqed for being 15 min late.

Scumbag ESL...
[image loading]



"posts on twitter shitting on people who host tourneys that cant pay up"

"cant pay up" ?

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Aonir
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany14 Posts
October 31 2011 17:05 GMT
#220
I'm really really sad to read about this stuff. I thought if they put so much energy + organisation in that tournaments, they would also do what they promised before. Giving the players their prize money.

Some Players travelling around the world to play on those tournaments, which get a lot of more viewers/money cause of that. Its so fcking unfair, cant believe it. For me it was a rosy ESports world ;/
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