I've always seen it as two words, a noun meaning "the current builds expected to be used" and a verb meaning "using outside information or tactics to win". The OP says the second is a word and the first isn't? So it's never ok to use metagame as a noun?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

July 20 2011 05:50 GMT

#190

On July 20 2011 14:47 Cassel_Castle wrote:
I've always seen it as two words, a noun meaning "the current builds expected to be used" and a verb meaning "using outside information or tactics to win". The OP says the second is a word and the first isn't? So it's never ok to use metagame as a noun?

For yours and the children's sake, just forget the word exists.

Especially when Chill is around. He has very strong (understatement of the year) views on this particular word and generally it is better to just leave it alone.

DEN1ED

United States1087 Posts

July 20 2011 05:53 GMT

#191

Example of metagaming: Players all agree that unit A is too strong. Many players are winning games by only making A. To react, opponents have been rushing for unit B, which is a counter to A. Knowing this, a player has developed a build which is weak against everything but a rush to B.

I think this is where the use/misuse of the word metagame comes from. Build orders are created to counter popular build orders of the time. As a result, new build orders are created to counter the counter and lead to mind games. Thus, the "metagame" is created. Or something like that.

Xxavi

United States1248 Posts

September 02 2011 04:31 GMT

#192

I am failing either to understand this phrase/term, or people are using it incorrectly.

Meta-xxxx, like meta-stability or meta-stable means, in science, something is in midway point. Not at it's most stable position, but rather it found a hole of stability.

If I have to extrapolate this, meta-game would mean... yes, it wouldn't make sense :D

Or even if we use direct Greek meaning for meta, the phrase makes little sense. I am not sure if people know what they are talking about when each person understands "metagame" in their own way,

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

September 02 2011 04:42 GMT

#193

On September 02 2011 13:31 Xxavi wrote:
I am failing either to understand this phrase/term, or people are using it incorrectly.

Meta-xxxx, like meta-stability or meta-stable means, in science, something is in midway point. Not at it's most stable position, but rather it found a hole of stability.

If I have to extrapolate this, meta-game would mean... yes, it wouldn't make sense :D

Or even if we use direct Greek meaning for meta, the phrase makes little sense. I am not sure if people know what they are talking about when each person understands "metagame" in their own way,

I am sure that there is some reasoning if what you have written, though it is all greek to me. I am going to take this opportunity to quote myself from a few posts above yours

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snowbird

Germany2044 Posts

September 02 2011 05:16 GMT

#194

This discussion is not meta enough.

I think we should meta discuss the value of meta discussing the word metagame.

I personally think that it's futile.

Maybe it's just a fad? Time will tell.

shihido

Singapore29 Posts

October 11 2011 05:45 GMT

#195

I usually just ask the player that i need one more win for an achievement and one loss to him won't do him much harm. 9/10 times he leaves. 1/10 that he stays, i play standard.

Azzur

Australia6250 Posts

October 11 2011 06:20 GMT

#196

Haha, I like how the "word metagame" has evolved the word, "metagame"!

But you can't really blame people for using the evolved meaning of metagame since many high-profile commentators (e.g. Tastosis) use it in that manner.

Cruncharoo

United States136 Posts

October 11 2011 15:35 GMT

#197

Totally unrelated, I know, but one of my biggest pet peeves is when people have conversations like this:

"I'll bet you $x dollars that y happens."
"Okay. It's a bet."
"No. I don't want to actually bet I just know it'll happen."

Well, if you knew y was going to happen then you'd be foolish not to make the bet. It's mind-bottling to me when people do this.

AutomatonOmega

United States706 Posts

November 08 2011 01:23 GMT

#198

A continuation from the thread that just got locked:

On November 08 2011 10:16 neppi wrote:

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But if I play a game and lose to unit A and think "fck next game ill make unit A to win because it seemed OP last game" that is not metagaming? If I read on the forums that unit A is awesome vs unit B, I see unit B and counters with unit A, thats metagaming?

It's a pretty broad concept.

Rock, Paper, Scissors. Everyone knows this. Under normal circumstances, there's no RPS metagame because you generally have a 33% chance to win when you view the rule of the game in a vacuum. Then, you create an abstract rule where Rock is worth 3 points, Scissors is worth 2 points, and Paper is worth 1 point, first player to an undisclosed number of points wins.

At that point, the game takes on layers of depth and begins to develop a metagame. The entire game becomes one of trying to bait your opponent into using Scissors, and the community develops strategies designed to most efficiently create that scenario. Then, the developers of Rock, Paper, Scissors release a patch that makes it so that now Scissors is 3 points and Rock is 2. The metagame shifts.

Flamingo777

United States1190 Posts

November 08 2011 02:26 GMT

#199

Metagame simply describes trends in playstyle, or functions of the game that are typically doing well at a particular time. It can be used to describe "flavor of the month" strategems.

rei

United States3593 Posts

November 17 2011 21:04 GMT

#200

No it is not.
An Example, I use meta game on my opponent in an Ace match in a clan war by saying I have a Raid of 40 people waiting for me the main tank in an MMMORPG. Which makes my opponent think i'm going to all-in him for a quick win, because he would think i'm short on TIME. And I would play a greedy style to take advantage of my opponent being overly passive.

Don't use the word metagame to describe Trends in play style, you know what you call use to describe Trends in playstyle? instead of the "current metagame" you should use "the current Trends"