EPTDon't Fear the Staff - Page 14
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
Cool write up, and I miss your powerranks Plexa, most controversial EVER. ^_^ | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7771 Posts
On September 07 2011 01:37 GTR wrote: DIE BOXMAN Hahahahaha This is so gooooood <3 | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:54 Nizzy wrote: -Nizzy I don't see anything wrong with what hotbid did. While lots of people may call people hackers and bm on bnet, that doesn't mean that behaving in such a manner is appropriate. If you happen to hit a TLmod on bnet then you should expect to be warned. Hell, I've permed someone for bm/harassing me during the beta. Moral of the story? Dont be a dick online. You can still confront a mod, but remember to do it in an appropriate way - calling him a hacker isn't appropriate. If you still have an issue take it up with hotbid directly. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On September 16 2011 10:01 Plexa wrote: I don't see anything wrong with what hotbid did. While lots of people may call people hackers and bm on bnet, that doesn't mean that behaving in such a manner is appropriate. If you happen to hit a TLmod on bnet then you should expect to be warned. Hell, I've permed someone for bm/harassing me during the beta. Moral of the story? Dont be a dick online. You can still confront a mod, but remember to do it in an appropriate way - calling him a hacker isn't appropriate. If you still have an issue take it up with hotbid directly. I think the issue Nizzy has is that there was no way to tell that he was playing Hot_Bid, so he couldn't know to give proper deference. I don't think it's conpletely reasonable to expect TL users to always be GM all the time, in case they run into a staff member on Battle.net; it'd be nice, but unrealistic. | ||
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Nizzy
United States839 Posts
On September 16 2011 10:01 Plexa wrote: I don't see anything wrong with what hotbid did. While lots of people may call people hackers and bm on bnet, that doesn't mean that behaving in such a manner is appropriate. If you happen to hit a TLmod on bnet then you should expect to be warned. Hell, I've permed someone for bm/harassing me during the beta. Moral of the story? Dont be a dick online. You can still confront a mod, but remember to do it in an appropriate way - calling him a hacker isn't appropriate. If you still have an issue take it up with hotbid directly. Thanks for the response. Honestly I'm not even disagreeing with you but there's a few ways to look at the situation. Like I explained there was some logical though (multiple things) and gameplay that made him look like a legit hacker. I believe my discussion raised some legit points so it wasn't just 'WTF HACKER BBQ' right? I think there was a huge line from 'bming/harassing someone' to what I did. I didn't even message him after the game he messaged me. Surely I upset him accusing him of hacking/winning the game. Nobody likes to lose/get trash talked. I surely don't. I honestly didn't even think it was BM. I mean what really is BM anymore? It can get so ridiculous but for the shake of discussion lets not go that root/talk about what is/isn't. Is me calling someone a hacker 1 time in a game warranty of getting a warn on TL? And... don't get me wrong, I love being part of the community here I really do. However personally, just personally I think that's mod abuse. I don't know with how much shit you guys have to put up with on a daily basis. (I surely wouldn't want to be a mod here) so props. However I'm just still surprised that TL mods are expending their powers onto battle. Now I want to throw something out here as well. Surely if someone like Deezer for all the stuff he does negative to the community would be so good mannered on TL, but the way he is on battle.net is just so bad that I think he should warranty a perma ban. I think all the community would agree. However I did not really harass a TL mod. First I didn't even know he was a MOD. He gave me a warning before I even had the CHANCE to apologize to him on battle.net. I believe I did after anyways. ""You can still confront a mod, but remember to do it in an appropriate way - calling him a hacker isn't appropriate."" But once again, I had no idea it was one. The account name "ESPORTS" plus the teamers he was with (if you play 4v4rt you can tell almost instantly if they are teamers/RTers its easy) Looked highly suspicious/troll type team. Either way like I said, I agree with your comments I was just surprised. However to think all TL members are going to always be 100% gm on battle.net lol... well that's just silly to think dude. Hasn't IdrA bad mannered direct team liquid players in games and bad mannered them? I believe to my knowledge he's only been banned for TL posts on TL. It's over now so whatever. If he was just like, 'yeah you pissed me off kid, so i warned you deal with it' I'd honestly understand. It's pretty much what happened, however no matter how you look at it, from a players perspective from 8 years in the wc3 community, 1 in sc2, it's mod abuse. But once again, sure, I was BM so I'm not really even complaining too much. Thanks for the discussion Plexa, take care. -Nizzy On September 16 2011 10:09 Aeres wrote: I think the issue Nizzy has is that there was no way to tell that he was playing Hot_Bid, so he couldn't know to give proper deference. I don't think it's conpletely reasonable to expect TL users to always be GM all the time, in case they run into a staff member on Battle.net; it'd be nice, but unrealistic. Yeah it's just going to happen from time to time. Even have the pros rage on ladder, the game is frustrating. I'm at the point now where I understand when peeps get mad. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7771 Posts
On September 16 2011 10:09 Aeres wrote: I think the issue Nizzy has is that there was no way to tell that he was playing Hot_Bid, so he couldn't know to give proper deference. I don't think it's conpletely reasonable to expect TL users to always be GM all the time, in case they run into a staff member on Battle.net; it'd be nice, but unrealistic. Honestly, I think on bnet everybody should be equal. If someone does something that would deserve a ban from the community anyway, then I'm fine with it (like hacking, disconnecting, being a complete jerk or whatever). But now, seriously, if someone makes a blog and ask some other member to be banned because this other member has accused him of hacking, everybody will laugh at him. The problem is that it was someone who had the power of taking revenge, and that's not justice or moderation, but retaliation. And retaliation is an abuse. That being said, mods do whatever they want, it really is their website. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
I like how mods don't abuse their power and respect opinions of others even if it differs from their own opinion. Never going to quit here. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
At this point, I realise that they're just awesome <3 | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
On September 16 2011 10:01 Plexa wrote: I don't see anything wrong with what hotbid did. While lots of people may call people hackers and bm on bnet, that doesn't mean that behaving in such a manner is appropriate. If you happen to hit a TLmod on bnet then you should expect to be warned. Hell, I've permed someone for bm/harassing me during the beta. Moral of the story? Dont be a dick online. You can still confront a mod, but remember to do it in an appropriate way - calling him a hacker isn't appropriate. If you still have an issue take it up with hotbid directly. This is something (and probably the only thing) I've always strongly disagreed with on TeamLiquid. It's fine to run a website and forum the way you want it but having the jurisdiction being expanded beyond the website (especially on battle.net's server) is way too much and provides too much grounds for potential abuse of power. For tournaments sponsored and managed by teamliquid then this would be understandable, but for public games or the public ladder, its not a very good move and leaves a bad taste for everyone else. This kind of enforcement actually encourages me (and possibly others) to keep my battle.net usernames as private information incase I happened to be paired with a TL staff member and I happen to rage if I wind up losing and it costs me more than just losing ladder points. I mean battle.net includes blocking tools to prevent that stuff. I've been accused of numerous things playing Brood War and had a bot constantly send a message every 30 seconds and I just simply typed /ignore or /dnd and that was the end of that. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
I don't have the replay in front of me but if I actually went on TL and warned you, I'm going to assume you said some pretty horribly BM stuff. Like beyond simple hack accusations or "you guys suck" kind of stuff, because we get that all the time. I think the solution here is to stop accusing people of hacking and to stop BMing people on bnet in random 4v4s instead of asking TL mods to identify themselves. I don't see it as an abuse of power; we've banned people for actions off TL before. I feel it is a matter of degree rather than a matter of policy, as he must've really went beyond simple BM. Again, I don't have the replay, this is just me making assumptions based on the fact that we receive a shitton of BM but rarely if ever go on TL and warn. I wish I had the replay to confirm. I'm not saying we're going to start taking BM complaints or something from everyone on public Bnet, but maybe it's good you'll think twice about insulting people in random 4v4s? I certainly don't agree with "treat mods with respect and nobody else" kind of thinking. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
you were probably being a malicious, mean-spirited little bitch Try to forgive Intrigue for the above quote if you can find the generosity in your little heart—like most male gamers, he doesn't understand that gendered insults are wrong and off-putting to women. Since E-Sports is even more male-dominated than Magic: The Gathering, he's probably never been encouraged to censor himself in that way. + Show Spoiler + GOD I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT THE JOKE JESUS | ||
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haavard29
Norway37 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:14 marttorn wrote: Try to forgive Intrigue for the above quote if you can find the generosity in your little heart—like most male gamers, he doesn't understand that gendered insults are wrong and off-putting to women. Since E-Sports is even more male-dominated than Magic: The Gathering, he's probably never been encouraged to censor himself in that way. + Show Spoiler + GOD I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT THE JOKE JESUS Hahaha, well played. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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