EPTOn August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement.
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement.
I agree with only one thing in this post: that xtfftc's defense has been reasonable and that he is town. I've taken the initiative to look back on hiro's post, particularly since I've become unsure about Mig and I'm now convinced xtfftc is probably town.
Why would you EVER use such a bad example in support of DB's lynch? You once had a guy who claimed DT and then you suspected him and kept him around, then when you guys messed up and lynched him because you thought he was scummy he flipped DT...
so therefore DB is scum. WTF??
I think you are scum, hiro. Let me continue:
On August 20 2011 17:00 hiro protagonist wrote:
-__- why does no one remember that I was palmars scum buddy and we won together with some come from behind play, when are 3rd scum got himself killed day one. Palmar and I worked like a well oiled machine.
A vote on Palmer on day 1 would be stupid.
IMO, saying your got a read on Palmar day 1 is like saying Im sure I solved this crossword puzzle correct even though Im blindfolded.
I just been rockclimbing the last 12 hours and I am beat. I will be a active, contributing member of town come morning.
-__- why does no one remember that I was palmars scum buddy and we won together with some come from behind play, when are 3rd scum got himself killed day one. Palmar and I worked like a well oiled machine.
A vote on Palmer on day 1 would be stupid.
IMO, saying your got a read on Palmar day 1 is like saying Im sure I solved this crossword puzzle correct even though Im blindfolded.
I just been rockclimbing the last 12 hours and I am beat. I will be a active, contributing member of town come morning.
Read the last sentence. Now, keep it in mind.
Next:
On August 20 2011 17:05 hiro protagonist wrote:
Curu, Im talking about SNMMII
Also, Im gonna say it again: QuickSilver7's posts are fucking awesome. I dont care if he thinks Im scummy.
Curu, Im talking about SNMMII
Also, Im gonna say it again: QuickSilver7's posts are fucking awesome. I dont care if he thinks Im scummy.
Actually, I think he did care if Quicksilver thought he was scummy...that's a real strange thing to say.
Why wouldn't hiro have said "I really like Quicksilver's posts. That's good analysis" and left it at that? Why did he have to add the "I don't care if he thinks I'm scummy?" Because Quicksilver mentioned that he thought hiro's posts were slightly useless and slightly scummy? Instead of replying to Quicksilver with a town contribution, he contributed those two lines.
Again, recall the sentence I told you all to keep in mind.
+ Show Spoiler +
I just been rockclimbing the last 12 hours and I am beat. I will be a active, contributing member of town come morning.
Up comes this:
On August 21 2011 03:58 hiro protagonist wrote:
Voting Sevryn for now, as a no lynch is bad.
how much time is there before the day ends
Voting Sevryn for now, as a no lynch is bad.
how much time is there before the day ends
and this:
On August 21 2011 04:05 hiro protagonist wrote:
@nard I had real life things to do for most of day 1. My bad. I quickly put my vote on sevryn cuz I was not sure when the deadline was, and I dont want a mislynch.
@nard I had real life things to do for most of day 1. My bad. I quickly put my vote on sevryn cuz I was not sure when the deadline was, and I dont want a mislynch.
Uhhh...
What?
Hiro was constantly reluctant to contribute posts. Why? IMO it's because when there are posts of substance there are things to analyze. The more hiro posts, the more chance there is for him to slip. Of course, he slipped enough even with the posts he made.
His next 6-7 posts made during day 1 all are devoid of substance and simply involve the bandwagon switch between Sevryn and Rayzor.
On August 21 2011 08:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sorry Gman.
lets vote RayzorFlash everyone!
Sorry Gman.
lets vote RayzorFlash everyone!
First he votes Sevryn and doesn't provide any reasoning of his own. Then later, he votes Rayzor in the same exact fashion. My opinion? Rayzor is probably town and hiro was fine with lynching either person.
On August 21 2011 09:44 hiro protagonist wrote:
unless we get a role call from 15 or so people, the switch to Rflash is not gonna happen unfortunately.
so for those of us around who think Sevryn is actual a townie we have 2 options:
1. make a no-lynch happen. This would save Sevryn who might be town, but yield no information around a lynch. It would also keep him around as a suspect, and we would still be at square one.
2. We lynch Sevryn. We at least will see him flip, and he might be scum. I dont think thats likely thou. Scumhunting can begin fresh again, as we can focus on new suspects.
I dont like it, but lynch looks like our best option
unless we get a role call from 15 or so people, the switch to Rflash is not gonna happen unfortunately.
so for those of us around who think Sevryn is actual a townie we have 2 options:
1. make a no-lynch happen. This would save Sevryn who might be town, but yield no information around a lynch. It would also keep him around as a suspect, and we would still be at square one.
2. We lynch Sevryn. We at least will see him flip, and he might be scum. I dont think thats likely thou. Scumhunting can begin fresh again, as we can focus on new suspects.
I dont like it, but lynch looks like our best option
Why not? Hiro again never justified this statement. Did hiro say this because, as mafia, he knew that Sevryn was innocent? I think so.
On August 21 2011 10:04 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok people, heres the deal:
I want to switch to razor. others do to, but if you make the switch you must promise to stay around till the dead line in order to guarantee a lynch. if by 15 min. till the deadline and we dont have enough votes we all switch back to Sev. cool? Say you switch, and there is not enough to make a lynch happen, but you dont switch back to Sev, the consequences will be dire
##Vote: RazorFlash
Ok people, heres the deal:
I want to switch to razor. others do to, but if you make the switch you must promise to stay around till the dead line in order to guarantee a lynch. if by 15 min. till the deadline and we dont have enough votes we all switch back to Sev. cool? Say you switch, and there is not enough to make a lynch happen, but you dont switch back to Sev, the consequences will be dire
##Vote: RazorFlash
Making himself look less suspicious for the fact that he was active during the most important part of the day.
Hiro here is trying a little too hard to blend in.
On August 22 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote:
Anyone thinking that Palmar deserves to be a lynch target, ask yourself this: how has anything Palmar done hurt town?
Palmar, rage if you want, but you know that any case for you right now is dumb.
Vis, Yes that was my idea. As the day went on, It looked more and more like Sev was town. Mafia, however could sit on him as a vote claiming that they would prefer a lynch to a no lynch. Razor seemed scummier. My actions speak for themselves.
also, I dont think Razor is a good lynch today, there are more important suspects to look at.
Anyone thinking that Palmar deserves to be a lynch target, ask yourself this: how has anything Palmar done hurt town?
Palmar, rage if you want, but you know that any case for you right now is dumb.
Vis, Yes that was my idea. As the day went on, It looked more and more like Sev was town. Mafia, however could sit on him as a vote claiming that they would prefer a lynch to a no lynch. Razor seemed scummier. My actions speak for themselves.
also, I dont think Razor is a good lynch today, there are more important suspects to look at.
Within two sentences, we see a turnaround.
Hiro first thought that Rayzor seemed scummier than Sevryn, and that "his actions spoke for themselves."
He follows up with ANOTHER unsubstantiated statement, that Rayzor is suddenly not a good lynch anymore. Wtf? Why the sudden change in heart?
On August 22 2011 03:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
1. Where did I say that I dont find him scummy? I said there are better targets today.
2. the fact that you haven't even looked at all of Palmars post before accusing him doesn't give your accusation much weight.
1. Where did I say that I dont find him scummy? I said there are better targets today.
2. the fact that you haven't even looked at all of Palmars post before accusing him doesn't give your accusation much weight.
Visceraeyes caught onto what I mentioned above. When confronted with this, hiro responds with, well there are other targets. Who? Again, vague "contribution" but in order to actually contribute something to the town cause you have to be specific. You have to have a case; saying there exist better targets without actually identifying them is something mafia would do in order to pretend to contribute.
On August 22 2011 04:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
Vis, Im gonna stop responding to questions that can be answered by reading my previous posts.
You keep trying to put words in my mouth. why?
Vis, Im gonna stop responding to questions that can be answered by reading my previous posts.
You keep trying to put words in my mouth. why?
What exactly do his previous posts answer? Look at all of hiro's posts up to this one, and you see nothing clearly identifying him as a townie, you see nothing regarding his reasoning for his votes, and you see a bunch of spam/useless one liner posts that are most likely used to blend in, and to pretend to be active.
On August 23 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
@rayzor: Im sorry, what question do you want me to answer? you seem to think I need to defend my actions. I dont.
I am so down for lynching xtfftc today.
##Vote: xtfftc
@rayzor: Im sorry, what question do you want me to answer? you seem to think I need to defend my actions. I dont.
I am so down for lynching xtfftc today.
##Vote: xtfftc
I believe that hiro here gets defensive in his manner, but doesn't actually say anything, because mafia tend to want to give away as little information as possible. Hiro doesn't want to substantiate anything that he has said or done for fear that he will slip and make mistakes. Of course, this in itself is a slip, because, by failing to contribute to the town and by failing to provide reasons for votes, he appears scummy.
For the third time, hiro casts a vote on a person without providing sufficient reasoning. He votes xtfftc (and is called out by xt later) with no reasoning at all.
On August 23 2011 04:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
well, there's this:
yeah, If I was scum, I wouldn't want someone around that randomly accusing people ether. I mean, why would you want anyone to do something that puts pressure on scum, right?
well, there's this:
yeah, If I was scum, I wouldn't want someone around that randomly accusing people ether. I mean, why would you want anyone to do something that puts pressure on scum, right?
After xt calls out hiro, hiro responds with the quoted piece above.
Hiro claims that random accusations put pressure on scum. Well, let's think about this for a second. Do random accusations actually put pressure on scum? Do they help find scum? Or do random accusations actually help scum?
IMO, random accusations help scum blend in. Why? Out of 30, 24 of us are town. If you RANDOMLY pick one person, such as what Palmar did, you have an 80% chance of choosing a townie. EIGHTY PERCENT. Thus, for the most part, random accusations will BENEFIT scum because they throw the pressure onto TOWN PLAYERS. This is, IMO, why Palmar's actions were controversial (and I think Palmar needs to change his behavior, cause his spam is annoying the shit out of me right now) and also why he's taken flak.
Again, that's the only thing hiro used to justify his vote for xt. And, honestly, it wasn't very well thought out. Hiro here was withholding information, or like I suspect, trying too hard to blend in by pretending to contribute.
On August 23 2011 05:27 hiro protagonist wrote:
THANK YOU Jackal.
VE, Im gonna say this one more time: STOP. PUTTING. WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH.
If you want me to clarification on something I sad, just say something like "hey hiro, is that a soft defend of Palmer?". Or, how about asking me " yo, mr. Protagonist, what are your thoughts on palmar? do you think he is scum?". that way, I can use my own words, which *surprise!* can be analyzed?
your really grinding my gears...
THANK YOU Jackal.
VE, Im gonna say this one more time: STOP. PUTTING. WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH.
If you want me to clarification on something I sad, just say something like "hey hiro, is that a soft defend of Palmer?". Or, how about asking me " yo, mr. Protagonist, what are your thoughts on palmar? do you think he is scum?". that way, I can use my own words, which *surprise!* can be analyzed?
your really grinding my gears...
Under the slightest pressure, hiro becomes aggravated here. He actually did appear to defend Palmar:
On August 22 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote:
Anyone thinking that Palmar deserves to be a lynch target, ask yourself this: how has anything Palmar done hurt town?
Palmar, rage if you want, but you know that any case for you right now is dumb.
Anyone thinking that Palmar deserves to be a lynch target, ask yourself this: how has anything Palmar done hurt town?
Palmar, rage if you want, but you know that any case for you right now is dumb.
And, in addition, his "vote reason" for xt seemed like a soft-defend as well.
NOW WE GET INTO THE REAL INTERESTING PART:
On August 23 2011 06:26 hiro protagonist wrote:
btw, I will put up an analysis on xtfftc when I feel like it.
btw, I will put up an analysis on xtfftc when I feel like it.
WAIT WHAT?
Where the eff is this analysis, hiro? You don't feel like it?
I noticed this earlier in the day today. I thought maybe hiro was just busy and he'd come back and contribute. I held out hope. Instead, now, looking at your most recent posts, I feel like you're scum, hiro.
On August 23 2011 07:14 hiro protagonist wrote:
Palmar, what is your opinion of xtfftc?
looking forward to what BrownBear has to say.
also, the following people need to chime in and give opinions:
Trotske
Lucidity
Munk-E
GreYMisT
nard
Pyo
Kurumi
Palmar, what is your opinion of xtfftc?
looking forward to what BrownBear has to say.
also, the following people need to chime in and give opinions:
Trotske
Lucidity
Munk-E
GreYMisT
nard
Pyo
Kurumi
Again, NO CONTRIBUTION. Just a list of people who need to contribute.
Hypocrite much? You want other people to contribute, but you can contribute whenever you feel like it? Hiro is scum.
AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST:
On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day.
Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day.
LOOOOOOOL
"Wow, oops, I fucked up. Time to go hide now."
I don't think you're stupid. + Show Spoiler +
Well, maybe a little. Cause you're really not hiding so well.
So, when people pressure you because you've made a terrible argument, your response is to BANDWAGON AND SHEEP THE GUY WITH THE MOST VOTES.
AHAHAHAHA.
You're mafia.
##unvote xtfftc
##vote hiro protagonist
