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On August 19 2011 09:48 johnprospekt wrote: I hear the tickets are like 7 euros. Maybe i should have taken a train and gone :s prices were 8€ for students and 12€ for normal people for a one day ticket | ||
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StarStruck
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On August 20 2011 22:39 LordCOTA wrote: Glad to see TLO taking HuK's move better than a lot of fans. I'm a player fan before a team fan so my feelings on the matter are pretty neutral. I know EG made an offer he couldn't refuse and applaud his business sense if nothing else. Awesome pictures. I like MC's modified SK shirt with the giant oGs logo. Why the hell would TLO have any animosity towards Chris? lmao Some of you guys have really weird thought processes. | ||
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ChadMann
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On August 21 2011 13:36 Brees wrote: ugh kellymilkies is so bad at interviews and unattractive. She almost ruined gamescon for me single-handedly. Bit extreme isn't it? I don't get why there are so many people that say Kelly is impossible to understand when she talks. Her accent isn't ever that strong.. sick of people being so simple minded and racist. (not suggesting that was what your alluding to but in general)... Nevertheless, I think its great to have a interviewer that has high level understanding of the game.. she is High level master league player and actually knows the game.... Unlike those that have trouble with their TvG.... | ||
StarStruck
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Really big turnoff. At least I gave it another shot. Her oral speaking skills are severely lacking. This isn't racism. It's the reality of the situation. | ||
Laejten
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GamesCom was a great event and I hope those pictures give u a little insight to all the awesomeness going on in Germany http://www.sk-gaming.com/album/54788 | ||
Liquid`TLO
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On August 21 2011 21:49 StarStruck wrote: The guy actually has point. Every time I tuned in, the players including TLO had to ask her to repeat the question. If that isn't a good indicator of people having a hard time understanding you when you are within earshot of a microphone then I don't know what is. It went beyond SC2 too. It happened when she was interviewing LoL players too. Really big turnoff. At least I gave it another shot. Her oral speaking skills are severely lacking. This isn't racism. It's the reality of the situation. I understand Kelly just fine, however its REALLY loud in those halls. So sometimes its just hard to hear what people say even if they are very close to you. | ||
Tyri
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I was there Friday + Saturday and it was a great experience watching all those pros play live ( + testing games like D3 omfgfgfggdg) I wish I had seen more pros or could have attended the TL meetup. Also, I have to agree with TLO, the whole ESL are and gamescom in general were very noisy and loud because every single company had to do giveaways with loud music and people shouting and stuff. Sometimes you could not really understand the commentators even thought you were sitting in the middle of the watching area with chairs, stage B was even worse.. | ||
xXFireandIceXx
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On August 23 2011 21:10 Laejten wrote: Due to a maintenace on the SK-site the last pictures are a bit late, but here they are. GamesCom was a great event and I hope those pictures give u a little insight to all the awesomeness going on in Germany http://www.sk-gaming.com/album/54788 Sick jacket!!! I'd love to get one. | ||
caradoc
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On August 21 2011 21:49 StarStruck wrote: The guy actually has point. Every time I tuned in, the players including TLO had to ask her to repeat the question. If that isn't a good indicator of people having a hard time understanding you when you are within earshot of a microphone then I don't know what is. It went beyond SC2 too. It happened when she was interviewing LoL players too. Really big turnoff. At least I gave it another shot. Her oral speaking skills are severely lacking. This isn't racism. It's the reality of the situation. Nah, its racism in a subtle form... Singapore English is a dialect of English-- if you had an Australian caster speaking Australian English, and you had people saying about how he/she needed English lessons, you might validly make a point that it isn't racism, but you don't have that. As it is, she's Asian so people categorize her variety of English as broken because they believe they can. You can't understand her dialect so you label it as broken Asian English, rather than your own inability to understand a valid form of English-- that's racism. | ||
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On August 24 2011 09:56 caradoc wrote: Nah, its racism in a subtle form... Singapore English is a dialect of English-- if you had an Australian caster speaking Australian English, and you had people saying about how he/she needed English lessons, you might validly make a point that it isn't racism, but you don't have that. As it is, she's Asian so people categorize her variety of English as broken because they believe they can. You can't understand her dialect so you label it as broken Asian English, rather than your own inability to understand a valid form of English-- that's racism. Nah man, that is nothing more than a cop out. I've been down this road several times before in debate and even mentioned the fact that I have dealt with people from the Philippines and Singapore on a day-to-day basis. I have never met one caster from Britain let alone Australia that I have a hard time understanding. Kelly is the only one. If you are inaudible and unable to articulate yourself then it doesn't work. It goes far beyond the bullshit accent people describe. Enunciate enunciate enunciate! Not even close to racism. Now then, TLO had a valid claim with regards to the Halls being noisy. That is an acceptable defense. EDIT: Wait, I just had to re-read what you wrote with regards to Australian casters and lmfao. You cannot be serious? Australian casters in need of English lessons as a counter claim? That isn't valid and that's just flat out ignorant. I feel sorry for you. Now your getting into dialects man and that is whooooole different can of worms. Please direct me to someone who has ever said someone needs English lessons from a commonwealth nation where their first language is English, so I could PM them and give them a good piece of mind. There are plenty of Asian casters out there and people can understand them perfectly fine. Do you see people have beef with them? Short answer is no. http://radio.mediacorp.sg/RadioLive/Class95.aspx Listen to this radio station from Singapore and watch how it's done. Vernetta is a fucking pro and articulates perfectly. | ||
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And that Puma picture is so funny of him being carried | ||
caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote: Nah man, that is nothing more than a cop out. I've been down this road several times before in debate and even mentioned the fact that I have dealt with people from the Philippines and Singapore on a day-to-day basis. I have never met one caster from Britain let alone Australia that I have a hard time understanding. Kelly is the only one. If you are inaudible and unable to articulate yourself then it doesn't work. It goes far beyond the bullshit accent people describe. Enunciate enunciate enunciate! Not even close to racism. Now then, TLO had a valid claim with regards to the Halls being noisy. That is an acceptable defense. EDIT: Wait, I just had to re-read what you wrote with regards to Australian casters and lmfao. You cannot be serious? Australian casters in need of English lessons as a counter claim? That isn't valid and that's just flat out ignorant. I feel sorry for you. Now your getting into dialects man and that is whooooole different can of worms. Please direct me to someone who has ever said someone needs English lessons from a commonwealth nation where their first language is English, so I could PM them and give them a good piece of mind. There are plenty of Asian casters out there and people can understand them perfectly fine. Do you see people have beef with them? Short answer is no. http://radio.mediacorp.sg/RadioLive/Class95.aspx Listen to this radio station from Singapore and watch how it's done. Vernetta is a fucking pro and articulates perfectly. -Its a counter claim precisely BECAUSE nobody makes that claim for another variety of English, Australian English. That's really my point. -Singapore is a commonwealth nation where the language of public communication is English. *shrugs* This thread isn't the place really to have this discussion though so I'll continue to have it through PMs. Love that MC pic, he's always got this supremely confident expression like you'd expect a Roman emperor or God-Emperor of Dune to wear: *notices camera* "ahh the mortals are recording my countenance for another of their activities again.... " | ||
StarStruck
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Nah, I think it's fine that I re-post our discussion: From: caradoc [ 662 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: dialects Date: 8/25/11 01:47 1) Have lived in Singapore for about 3 years. 2) Singapore *IS* a commonwealth country. Everyone either speaks English as a first language and/or learns English from kindergarten. 3) The comment about Australia and needing English lessons was absurd by design and was precisely my point-- you would never hear anyone making that comment about Au, yet you hear it frequently for Singapore. 4) Your perception of her articulation is due to Singapore English having syllable-timed, rather than stress-timed rhythm. Look it up. My response: I don't care how long you lived there. I have dealt with many people from those parts and if you listened to their radio stations let alone TV stations you would know that they don't drop sounds and speak quite well. -_- I said this numerously times and as far as first languages go and kindergarten go. It's different from area to area. I've already addressed this countless times and the fluency you speak of is not even close. Furthermore, many Singaporeans have knocked her about this before. So, no. Dialects. You know not of which you speak. I have been in radio and television for over 8 years. I think I know a speech impairment when I see one. No one had any problems with the guy she used to cast with. I wonder why? Probably because he articulates better than her and doesn't drop sounds. My perception is no different from many people in the industry. She wants to be a disc jockey on the radio, then she has a lot to work on. Your reply: From: caradoc [ 662 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: dialects Date: 8/25/11 05:35 1) you seem to conflate all people from 'those parts' (i.e. presumably SE Asia, which is an extremely diverse area linguistically/culturally speaking. Not specifically racist, but a good breeding ground for it. I might have misread you as well, just saying. 2) you say its different from area to area, you are wrong. Singapore is 20x30km in area total. There is only one area. Education is universal. If you are conflating Singapore with Indonesia or something, for whatever reason, that would be racist. You might not be, but if you were, it would be racist, or selectively ignorant. Not saying that applies to you though. 3) re: dialects, I'm a linguist. I know what I'm talking about. You talking about her 'dropping sounds' is a description of Singapore English-- for example changing final voiceless stops to glottal stops, or dropping final 'r' (as in British English). 'Lack of articulation' as you mention is actually just emphasizing stresses in ways different than N.A English-- Singapore English, for example, doesn't lengthen stressed syllables to nearly the extent that we do, which is an important way to emphasize words-- people often perceive this as a lack of ability to emphasize content words or whatever. Some of the djs in Singapore (of which I know a few personally) are trained in American English-- its a (admittedly orientalist) government policy. If you knew a speech impairment when you heard one, you would be able to describe it in terms of deviation from the norms of the particular speech community-- but it actually doesn't deviate in her case. Describing a dialect as broken or describing speakers of a dialect as being impaired in some way is at least culturally imperialist, possibly subtly racist. Same thing as before-- not saying that applies to you, I'm just deconstructing the argument/perspective. 4) 'The Industry' is not a single homogenous group with a single perspective (yours), it doesnt help to talk about it as though it is one. Of course one could do that, and say that everyone who exhibits an opinion other than ones own is uneducated or has a speech impediment, or has to learn English, but that would also be racist via the notion that alternative viewpoints derived from alternative cultural/ethnic realities are fundamentally flawed. We are allowed to be racist, we are even allowed to be racist and not realize it, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I'm just pointing out that the attitude that Singapore English = broken (and her language is prototypical Singapore English), is at best an example of linguistic imperialism, and at worst blatantly racist. That might not be your opinion, in which case its a waste of energy to be defensive about it. My reply: This is the last time I'm going to address this with you because I see it going nowhere. It is getting redundant. I have done my homework; I have done my research. I have worked with several people from Singapore and the Philippines. Hell, my housekeepers have always been from those parts. I was in bowling league with them over 14 years. I am very familiar with the language. There are a lot of people from those parts in Toronto. You can go through all my posts. I've addressed this issue one too many times for my liking. I'm not the type of person to generalize because I speak from experience and I back up everything I say with facts and examples. With regards to the commonwealth, somewhere in my post it got edited out, but I did write that Kelly is the only exception that you will hear constant complaints not her co-casters, one of which hail from the same parts. While a lot of the complaints have no substance and come off as generic, stereotypical bullshit. There are some that are valid. Did you listen to the radio station I linked in my post from before? I have listened to several English speaking radio stations and they all enunciate their words much better than the general populace, my old housekeepers and my bowling friends. It should come as no surprise as to why they got those jobs in the first place. They have clear, crisp voices. Much unlike Kelly who isn't camera ready. You cannot ignore it. The only reason Kelly has been able to get away with such things is because this is a developing market and no one else wants to do it. She put her foot in the door first. Skip all the other bullshit. That's the only reason. If she really wants a career as a radio/disc jockey this is something she will have to work on. I can relate to Kelly's story, considering when I was a young chap I used to have all sorts of problems with words and sounds. But, guess what? I worked my ass off just like Keira Knightley, Orlando Bloom, etc. Whether it be dyslexia or some other speech disorder let alone local dialects. eSports is global. As such, it's important to have the best representatives available. There are a number of skills you need, but one of the most important as a caster is being well-spoken, or else the message gets lost. Singapore has great female disc jockeys on their English stations. They have great anchors for television as well. There's a huge difference between them and Kelly. More: Do honestly think Kelly articulates as good as that reporter? ._. *** Now, stop backtracking and you should have kept this to the PMs. Considering he just PMed me back, I'll post his response here as well so we don't have to sidetrack even more -_-. Original Message From caradoc: Its a difference in register-- formal vs. colloquial, and again, Singapore's media is all government controlled, and they have a very "proactive" (draconian?) language policy-- that particular station is state owned, and their reporters get lessons on how to talk. Recently, there was a sitcom, PCK pte ltd, which got taken off the air because it used a colloquial style of language that the state determined was not in the best interests of the state, they had their usage of language 'purified' to something closer to that news report. My response: With regards to the New station: That doesn't address all the radio stations either, but that is valid argument with regards to their news. Then again, they are also trying to represent the nation as a whole and I see nothing wrong with that. Wait he has more: From: caradoc [ 662 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: dialects Date: 8/25/11 06:30 Also, your perception of how good she articulates is based on your perception of what constitutes 'good' english, there are other standards. One could make the argument that 'standard' should be something that people in North America can understand without trouble-- in a market situation that argument has some merit, but logically it is impossible to disentangle from an imperialist argument. Which is why I point it out. Funny, considering your government agencies share the same perception as me so to speak. They wrote the standard themselves when it comes to what is television worthy. We can argue television and radio standards all day. Here's the thing though, I didn't write it. If this woman ever wants to make it as a disc jockey over there, then she will have to adhere to their standards. Once again, I didn't write the book. | ||
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