EPTEdit: Oh, hmm, I see you have gone a b c d e as 1-5 and then inserted your own letters, I started out just going abcdefghijklm. hmm. hmmmmmm.
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Earll
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Edit: Oh, hmm, I see you have gone a b c d e as 1-5 and then inserted your own letters, I started out just going abcdefghijklm. hmm. hmmmmmm. | ||
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On July 01 2011 15:42 Torte de Lini wrote: Reminds me of this. Yep, andi bell does use something similar. His method afaik is just a bit more advanced -- instead of having a person for each card like in the OP, he follows the full PAO method. i.e each card has a person, an action, and an object associated with it. Obviously the full system is therefore 3 times as large as the one suggested in the OP, but here's why it works better: Instead of imagining 52 people in 52 places, all you need to do is imagine 17 scenes in 17 places. Each scene being composed of a *person* doing an *action* on an *object* i.e. say you have the following PAO associations: Kd: Warren Buffet, firing, money 7h: jesus, descending from heaven, heaven As: rekrul, gambling, cards and the cards come Kd 7h As, then you'd take: -person from Kd -action from 7h -object from As and have warren buffet descending from heaven on a bunch of cards as a flying carpet (for example.. that's just how I would picture it). So in one place, you have a single scene which crams the information of 3 things in it. Since you always memorize in PAO order, you will never get confused as to which comes first. In other words, if it came as 7h As Kd, you'd instead see Jesus gambling with money -- a totally different scene. In fact, that video is not entirely correct, because it implies there's only an object-card association for each card. What if it came pineapple-bear-saw? How could you tell the difference when all you have in your mind is bear sawing a pineapple? But actually, the "person" is the teddy bear (winni the pooh perhaps or just a generic alive teddy bear), the action is "sawing" and the object is "pineapple". If they came in a different order, the scene wouldn't involve teddy bears, pineapples, or saws at all since each card has three different associations, despite what the video implies. Naturally, starting with a full PAO system is entirely overwhelming. I can't comment on memorizing a deck of cards since my PAO system only grew for rubik's cube purposes which has (in my system) 24 objects instead of 52. But I started off with an O system, then switched to PA, then eventually re-added O's for a full PAO system some time down the line. On July 01 2011 17:04 Earll wrote: Would you recommend against just imagining J-A are 11--14 (k l m n)? I guess to me it would just seem more natural\easier to follow the same labeling all the way through, i might be wrong here though, might decide to try to get this down as i think its interesting to learn new cool things. Already know how to solve a rubiks cube so maybe i should apply this to learn to solve it blind folded =p Edit: Oh, hmm, I see you have gone a b c d e as 1-5 and then inserted your own letters, I started out just going abcdefghijklm. hmm. hmmmmmm. It actually doesn't matter. I think he picked those letters because associations are easier to come by with certain letters as compared to others. But if you can make your associations, and they make sense to you, that's all that matters. | ||
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rad301
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Try whatever you wish. The only defining factor is that you associate the the peg with the card; how you arrive at the peg is completely up to you. @JeeJee Yep, you were spot on. I think I mentioned somewhere in the guide about a shortcut (or maybe I deleted that part), but that was the shortcut technique, i.e. only needing 26 locations instead of 52. Regardless, I found the characters interacted much better with their environment when they had an action to follow. Imagining Day9 standing on my Calculus' teachers desk doing the trumpet dance is much easier than him just sitting there like a good student. | ||
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Earll
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took me like 20~25 minutes to learn the deck (I Basically started with 1 character/action/object, and then for each one I added I would go back from the start and think my way through the path) and then like 5 minutes to recite my way through the deck. I don't fully remember all my Cards->pegs though, so had to look on my list a few times when memorizing the deck. Did not need the list when reciting the cards though a lot easier to go that way i guess, but should be no problem as i learn my pegs better with some practice n_n | ||
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mel_ee
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anywho... have you applied this same technique to memorizing something else? I would like to know if when u applied this technique, was it faster to learn since u already have the basics or just the same amount of time memorizing what something was? | ||
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rad301
Canada196 Posts
Let's assume you've got to remember a list of the major leaders of WWI. If you've got a small memory map in mind, perhaps your house, then you can use that. I recommend creating different maps for different subjects, i.e. one for cards, one for facts, one for etc... Once you've got that, start with a person. Kaiser Willhelm II comes to mind first off. At the first location on my memory map, I've got an over sized Kaiser bun sitting on the ground with one of those spiked German helmets, and he makes the "Willhelm scream" sound effect (google the Wilhelm scream if you don't understand the reference). Then I just repeat the process for the rest of the leaders, and come test day I run through the list in my head, after which I bend the test over and dry fist it with my knowledge. Using common sense the possibilities are quite endless. I remember using this for the order of events which took place before WW2, i.e. Hitler's rise and the breaking of the Treaty of Versailles. In answer to your second question, yes it was certainly easier to do the above with my experience with the card trick. After a few goes, you start to figure out what things make it easier to remember the symbols, such as incorporating other senses and emotions into them. You'll also get much faster at doing this. Sorry, my answers always seem to get wordy :/, I can't help it. Edit: I figured I'll just add this on rather than making a new post. For those people currently working on their lists, I encourage you to post any cards that you are stuck on here. I'll do my best to give you some ideas, and also I'm sure the rest of TL will be able to help as well. Some of the cards took me a week to think of, so don't be concerned if this happens to you. | ||
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Earll
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Any tips on how to increase efficiency so to speak? I know i have a lot of way to go with linkin my cards into PAO, still get stuck on some cards every now and then, and guess I just need practice for that. Should I completely stop thinking back though? First time I memorized the deck I would start at the first PAO, then go to 2nd location and add 2nd PAO and then think my way through first and 2nd, and add third, then think my way through the first 3 etcetc, which makes it easier to remember i guess but takes a lot more time, so trying to think a lot less back now but still do it quite a bit or i think i will forget it =p | ||
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rad301
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 ), and it becomes easier to remember. Experiment with this principle, and you should figure it out.Reviewing is very important, but you should only need to do it once or twice. I know the feeling you speak of, where you feel like you'll have trouble if you don't review, but give it a shot with one review half way and you should be surprised how easy it is still. If it isn't, you need to work on either the pegs or their interaction with the environment. Keep the questions coming! | ||
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