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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-12 18:47:52
August 12 2009 18:02 GMT
#1
EDIT I've lost the source it seems. My fault.

A Judge on Tuesday ordered Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) to stop selling its popular Word document creation application in the United States after finding that the software contains technology that violates a patent held by a third party.

Microsoft Office, which includes Word, accounted for more than $3 billion in worldwide sales in Microsoft's most recent fiscal year and is used by literally millions of businesses and consumers for everyday tasks like word processing and making spreadsheets and presentations.

The judge said the ruling, which applies to Word 2003 and Word 2007, takes effect in 60 days.

Investors shrugged off the news—perhaps in anticipation of a higher court overturning the ruling, which arose from the plaintiff-friendly Eastern Texas federal jurisdiction. Microsoft shares were up 1.6% to $23.50 in early trading Wednesday.

Judge Leonard Davis, of U.S. District Court for Eastern Texas, said Microsoft "unlawfully infringed" on a patent that describes how programs go about "manipulating a document's content and architecture separately." The patent, No. 5,787,449, is held by Toronto-based i4i, Inc. i4i develops "collaborative content solutions," according to its Web site.

i4i originally sued Microsoft for patent infringement in 2007. Microsoft officials said the company plans to appeal, adding that the software maker is "disappointed by the court's ruling." The company said it believes i4i's patent is "invalid."

Davis on Tuesday ordered Microsoft to pay $240 million in damages to i4i, plus court costs and interest. More significantly, he enjoined Microsoft from continuing to sell Microsoft Word, in its current form, in the U.S.

Specifically, Davis said Microsoft can't sell versions of Word that can open documents saved in the .XML, .DOCX, or .DOCM formats that contain custom XML. Those formats were at the heart of the patent dispute. .DOCX is the default format for the most current version of Word, which is included in Microsoft Office 2007. Custom XML is used by businesses to link their corporate data to Word documents.

"Microsoft Corporation is hereby permanently enjoined" from selling Word 2003 and Word 2007 in the U.S. Davis, wrote in his order.

Davis also prohibited Microsoft from providing technical support for infringing products sold after the injunction takes effect, or from "testing, demonstrating, or marketing the ability of the infringing and future Word products to open an XML file containing custom XML."

Davis said the injunction does not apply to versions of Word that open an XML file as plain text or which apply a transform that removes all custom XML elements—possibly paving the way for Microsoft to issue a patch that rectifies the problem.


Have you ever been at school and someone would be like "I can't open this Word Document because I run Windows Vista," and you thought to yourself "You are a fucking idiot." Well now those days are over since a Texas court ruled that Microsoft infringed upon a patent with their custom XML stuff for the .docX format. Which is good because it make the documents twice the size and doesn't do anything.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
August 12 2009 18:06 GMT
#2
oh god american patent laws, run
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
August 12 2009 18:06 GMT
#3
YES YES YES YES YES! Finallyyyyy~
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
August 12 2009 18:06 GMT
#4
your source is linked wrong
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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
August 12 2009 18:08 GMT
#5
Umm . . . it makes documents smaller . . . my office just did the 2003->2007 conversion and with a few test documents going from *.doc to *.docx, every single file is coming out 10% smaller or better More like 50% if you disable Word 97-2003 compatibility, too.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
August 12 2009 18:10 GMT
#6
Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219200383
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 12 2009 18:12 GMT
#7
yes in my experience the size shrinks. Still good news i guess
sHade]DaLToN
Profile Joined January 2009
United States21 Posts
August 12 2009 18:14 GMT
#8
The county in East Texas in which the case was brought forth is famous for always siding with the patent holder in patent cases. Most likely, Microsoft will appeal, and win the appeal if it manages to get out of that county, since the facts (imo) of the case are pretty clearly in favor of Microsoft.
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3502 Posts
August 12 2009 18:14 GMT
#9
I hate when people send me docx's. Now if we could get everyone to use .odt, the world would be a better place.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 12 2009 18:16 GMT
#10
o man. Microsoft is going to have to find another supply of dead babies to go on..
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 12 2009 18:17 GMT
#11
hmm, docx's indeed suck for portability, but converting docx -> doc often makes the file a lot bigger

probably because docx formatting is retarded
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coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
August 12 2009 18:24 GMT
#12
we should use od (open document) format only.
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
August 12 2009 18:25 GMT
#13
I always wonder about these kind of rulings. How much does the judge understand the technology? Was the patent stupidly vague in the first place? Should I be happy that Microsoft is on the losing end?
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
August 12 2009 18:26 GMT
#14
Will hopefully be overturned; I find this a bit silly.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 12 2009 18:29 GMT
#15
Odt is so much better plus it is kind of free too

That's almost as good as a 10$ 52" tv!
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-12 18:30:55
August 12 2009 18:30 GMT
#16
actually, from a design standpoint, docx is in pretty much every single way superior to doc, including a much smaller file size

people claiming doc > docx because it's more widespread are like people who claim IE6 > everything else and complain when websites break because their browser is old and broken
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
August 12 2009 18:30 GMT
#17
On August 13 2009 03:26 Last Romantic wrote:
Will hopefully be overturned; I find this a bit silly.


It's not silly at all?

When they decided to change the format, a lot of shit got stupid, and if someone made a "silly movement" was them in the first place.

Taking a standard, a format which even OpenOffice uses, and adding XML information which basically adds nothing to the file overall, and as someone said, increases the file size with no reason or purpose, it's a BIT SILLY.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-12 18:34:17
August 12 2009 18:32 GMT
#18
On August 13 2009 03:02 cgrinker wrote:
Source

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A Judge on Tuesday ordered Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) to stop selling its popular Word document creation application in the United States after finding that the software contains technology that violates a patent held by a third party.

Microsoft Office, which includes Word, accounted for more than $3 billion in worldwide sales in Microsoft's most recent fiscal year and is used by literally millions of businesses and consumers for everyday tasks like word processing and making spreadsheets and presentations.

The judge said the ruling, which applies to Word 2003 and Word 2007, takes effect in 60 days.

Investors shrugged off the news—perhaps in anticipation of a higher court overturning the ruling, which arose from the plaintiff-friendly Eastern Texas federal jurisdiction. Microsoft shares were up 1.6% to $23.50 in early trading Wednesday.

Judge Leonard Davis, of U.S. District Court for Eastern Texas, said Microsoft "unlawfully infringed" on a patent that describes how programs go about "manipulating a document's content and architecture separately." The patent, No. 5,787,449, is held by Toronto-based i4i, Inc. i4i develops "collaborative content solutions," according to its Web site.

i4i originally sued Microsoft for patent infringement in 2007. Microsoft officials said the company plans to appeal, adding that the software maker is "disappointed by the court's ruling." The company said it believes i4i's patent is "invalid."

Davis on Tuesday ordered Microsoft to pay $240 million in damages to i4i, plus court costs and interest. More significantly, he enjoined Microsoft from continuing to sell Microsoft Word, in its current form, in the U.S.

Specifically, Davis said Microsoft can't sell versions of Word that can open documents saved in the .XML, .DOCX, or .DOCM formats that contain custom XML. Those formats were at the heart of the patent dispute. .DOCX is the default format for the most current version of Word, which is included in Microsoft Office 2007. Custom XML is used by businesses to link their corporate data to Word documents.

"Microsoft Corporation is hereby permanently enjoined" from selling Word 2003 and Word 2007 in the U.S. Davis, wrote in his order.

Davis also prohibited Microsoft from providing technical support for infringing products sold after the injunction takes effect, or from "testing, demonstrating, or marketing the ability of the infringing and future Word products to open an XML file containing custom XML."

Davis said the injunction does not apply to versions of Word that open an XML file as plain text or which apply a transform that removes all custom XML elements—possibly paving the way for Microsoft to issue a patch that rectifies the problem.


Have you ever been at school and someone would be like "I can't open this Word Document because I run Windows Vista," and you thought to yourself "You are a fucking idiot." Well now those days are over since a Texas court ruled that Microsoft infringed upon a patent with their custom XML stuff for the .docX format. Which is good because it make the documents twice the size and doesn't do anything.

What? The XML files are superior in every way (especially size.) There's a compatability pack for older versions of Office so they read .docx without having to convert anything. You guys are dum.
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Stipulation
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States587 Posts
August 12 2009 18:37 GMT
#19
Won't have to help people figure out what to do with docx anymore.
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
August 12 2009 18:37 GMT
#20
Yeah, this isn't at all a good thing... The good thing is that it'll probably be overturned, and even if it isn't it'll still take a while until it's actually finalized I guess.
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