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[Guide] Kishime's guide to Card Counting in BJ

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Deadlift
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Last Edited: 2009-06-08 15:16:43
June 02 2009 22:20 GMT
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http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=95009

Before I start, a lot of people have been PMing me asking what it is like to be an actuary. Rather than sending me a bunch of PMs, feel free to ask any questions you may have about being an actuary in this thread. Now, about counting cards...

How to Count Cards in Blackjack

The term “card counting” can be very broad and has different meanings depending on which system you are referring to. For the purposes of this guide, I will be discussing the Hi-Lo Counting Method for use by a single player playing relatively low stakes ($10-$100 hands) in Atlantic City. I will not drown this guide in mathematical jargon but instead limit it to all you need to know to become a successful card counter.

Why do I count cards?

1. Money.
2. I have gotten free food and rooms from casinos in terms of comps for all the time I have spent playing.
3. Free drinks.
4. It is fun to stick it to the casinos.
5. I enjoy playing the game.

Before I get started on the actual counting process, there are a few myths about card counting that I would like to debunk.

1. Card counting is illegal

Card counting is certainly not illegal. In Atlantic City, you cannot even be asked to leave the casino if you are suspected of counting. More on this later…

2. You have to be a mathematical genius to count

As long as you are able to add, subtract, and divide in your head, you can count.

3. You have to have a photographic memory

With practice, almost anyone can memorize what needs to be memorized to be a successful counter.

4. Counting means you will make huge profits immediately

If you’ve seen the movie 21, erase it from your memory. While you will win in the long run if you count, you can easily hit a bad streak of luck and lose a considerable amount of your bankroll. You will likely not be able to retire after counting for a month. It is a long process that takes a considerable amount of time and money to get started.

5. You need to be part of a card counting team

While being part of a team will increase your profits, you can still win without one.

Section 1 - The basic rules of the game

If you have ever played blackjack before, you may want to skip this section and move to Section 2.

Blackjack is a relatively simple game where the goal is to have the sum of your cards be as close to 21 as possible. 21 is the best hand and anything over 21 is a “bust” where you lose your bet. Numerical cards are worth their face value, with a Jack, Queen, and King being worth 10 and an Ace being worth either 1 or 11, whichever gives you a higher total without exceeding 21. A “soft” hand refers to any hand with an Ace that may have more than one value. For example, an Ace and a 7 would be considered a “Soft 18” as it can either be an 8 or an 18. An initial hand of Ace and any card worth 10 is considered a “blackjack” and pays out 3:2. So if you were to bet $10 and received blackjack, you would retain your initial $10 bet and also receive $15 more.

Each player starts by placing an initial bet in the betting circle in front of their seat. The dealer will then deal two face-up cards which everyone can see. The dealer starts with one face-up card and one face-down card which is hidden from everyone. After the initial cards are dealt, the players choose to take another card (hit) or to not take a card (stand). You initiate a hit by tapping the table in front of your bet with a finger and you initiate a stand by waving your hand over your bet in a straight line. After the final player is done, the dealer reveals his face-down cards and then proceeds to hit until he has at least a 17 or he busts. If your sum is greater than the dealer’s sum or the dealer busts while you are still in play, you win. If your sum is less than the dealer’s sum or you bust, you lose. If you and the dealer have equal sums, it is a “push” and you neither win nor lose any money. Note that if you bust and then the dealer busts after you, you still lose your initial bet. This is one of the reasons that the dealer has an advantage over the player.

Other than “hitting” or “standing,” there are two other moves that I will discuss in this guide. If you have two identical cards in terms of value (88, 22, AA, KQ, 10J) on your initial two cards, you may choose to “split” them. You initiate a split by placing a matching bet next to your initial bet and holding up your index and middle finger like the peace sign. Splitting allows you to play two hands at once with each hand having one of your original cards. For example, if you are dealt two 8’s, you can split them and instead of having a lousy total of 16, you can start off with 2 new hands with 8 being one of the cards for both hands. If you are dealt ANOTHER 8, you may split again if you match your initial bet. Most casinos allow 3 splits total or 4 hands at once.

The next move I will discuss is “doubling down.” You initiate this move by placing an additional bet (can be anything from 0 to your initial bet) next to your original bet and holding up your index finger. After initiating a double down, you receive one (AND ONLY one) more card to complete your hand. For example, if you were dealt a sum of 11 with your initial two cards, you could choose to double down and receive one more card.

I will not discuss the “surrender” rule because I have never seen it available in AC.

Section 2 – Basic Strategy

So now you know how to play the game, but surely you want to know how to WIN the game. In blackjack, there is always a correct move given the situation. Basic strategy is ALWAYS right (unless you are counting, but I will cover that later). While basic strategy will not give you an advantage over the house, it will reduce the house’s edge to less than 0.5%, which is very good and the best odds you will see in the casino involving any game where you are playing against the house. You may be thinking, “How is basic strategy always right if it still give the house an advantage?” The answer is that basic strategy always either maximizes your expected win, or minimizes your expected loss. For example, by hitting a 16 against a 10, you are still going to lose the vast majority of the time, but you will lose less often than if you were to stay. Although the house does have a slight advantage, combining basic strategy with card counting will turn the tides in your favor.

Each casino has its own set of rules for their blackjack games, and for this guide I will be focusing on S17 (Dealer has to stay on a soft 17), 6 deck games that allow doubling down after a split. My casino of choice in Atlantic City, the Borgata, adheres to these rules.

While “Basic Strategy” is very basic and simple, it will take some time to memorize effectively. Here is a chart of what to do in any situation that may arise.

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Always, always, ALWAYS do what the chart tells you to do. If you hit 16 against a dealer 7 ten times in a row and every time you end up busting, it does not change the fact that it is the CORRECT MOVE. Don’t really want to split your 8’s against a dealer Ace? Too bad. One of the most important things for a card counter to have is an unshakable faith in the system. There will be tough losses, but you have to be able to forget about them and realize that the system is correct and the only way to win in the long run is to follow it. I have heard many players say something to the effect of, “Sometimes you have to go with your gut!” This is code for, “I don’t know how to maximize my winnings in this game and I do not understand probability.”

Your task is to memorize that basic strategy chart like the back of your hand. If need be, make flash cards with certain situations that are giving you trouble and quiz yourself. You should be able to instantly know what to do in any situation that may arise. If you are struggling to remember basic moves in the comfort of your own home, you do not stand a chance in the fast paced chaos that is the casino.

I would recommend against proceeding to Section 3 if you have not yet memorized the basic strategy table. Basic strategy is the backbone of card counting and you cannot win without it.

Section 3 – The Running Count

To be blunt, the higher the count is, the better off you are as a player and the more you want to bet. What is the “count” you ask?

The Hi-Lo count is a relatively simple way to count cards. In this system, the cards 2-6 are given a point value of +1, 7-9 are given a value of 0, and 10-A are given a value of -1. All you have to do is either add 1 or -1 to your after the dealer shows each card. So if the dealer deals a 10, K, 7, the count is -2. If the dealer deals 2, A, 4, 3, 3, 7, 6, Q, 2 the count is +4. Simple enough, right?

As you are playing, you should have a “running count” in your head which takes into account all cards that have been dealt in this current shoe. (6 decks in this case) For example, if you had a running count of +9 in your head, and the next card dealt was a 7, the running count would remain +9. If the next card was a 10, the count would be +8. If the running count was -3 and a 2 was dealt, the running count would then be -2.

When I keep the count in my head, for positive numbers I will simply think of the number and for negatives I will insert an “M” before the number. For example, a count of +3 would be 3 and a count of -3 would be M3.

A good trick that I like to use is to count each card in pairs. This way, sometimes you will get two cards that cancel each other out (2K, 78, 4A, etc) and you will not have to adjust your running count in your head. I like to wait until the first player receives his second card to begin counting on any given hand. That way, I can immediately begin adjusting my running count by looking at two cards at a time.

Now that you know how to keep a running count, you should begin to practice immediately. Just take any full deck of cards, remove three of the cards, and go through the deck as fast as you can while looking at two cards at a time. After you are done with the deck, you should have a count ranging from M3 to 3, and then you can check the three cards you set off to the side to see if you had the correct running count. Both speed and accuracy are of the utmost importance for this drill, so keep practicing until you consistently get the correct count. You want to be able to get through one deck accurately in less than 30 seconds. I have not done this drill in a few months and just went through a deck in 25 seconds. It may be challenging at first, but you will get the hang of it if you keep at it. Once you can get an accurate count in under 30 seconds 10 times in a row, you should be confident enough to move on to the next step.

Section 4 – The True Count

I told you in order to count cards, you needed to know how to add, subtract, and divide. This is the dividing portion of the lesson. While a running count is great, the true count is really the tool that allows you to make some money. The true count is simply the running count divided by the number of decks remaining in the shoe. For example, in a 6 deck shoe, if the dealer has already dealt 1 whole deck and the running count is +10, the true count would be +2. If the dealer dealt 2 decks and the running count is +7, the true count is 7/4, or +1 if you round down (I always do).

To determine how many decks are left in the shoe, I look at the discard rack and subtract however many decks are in there from 6. For example, if I see 1 deck in the discard rack, it means there are 5 decks left to play. 4 decks discarded, 2 decks left to play, etc. If you really have a good eye, feel free to try to pinpoint it down to half decks if you’d like, but as a beginner I’d recommend staying with full decks to avoid mistakes.

To avoid having the shoes dealt down to the last card, there are “cut cards” that the dealers place in the shoe to tell them to shuffle after the deck has reached a certain point. Most dealers insert the card at around 75% of the shoe meaning 4.5 decks played in a 6 deck game. The deeper the cut card (the more decks that will be dealt), the better it is for you so be sure to scout out the tables and dealers for a decent cut before you sit down.

Section 5 – Betting System

As I mentioned earlier, the higher the count, the greater the advantage is for the player. This translates into, “If the count is high, bet more.” This is the betting system I use and note that the count is the True Count, not the Running Count. As I said before, I always round the true count down to the nearest integer.

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Additionally, if the count is positive, I like to play more than one hand at a time. If there is nobody to your left or right, most casinos will let you play up to three hands at once. So when the True Count is greater than or equal to 5, I will bet $100 on three spots for a total of $300 if possible. Spreading the $300 over three spots will be less risky than just betting the $300 on one spot because you have three different hands that you may win or lose.

My minimum bet is $10 which is the minimum you will find at most casinos. Ideally, your maximum bet should be about 10x your minimum bet. Your maximum bet should also be 1/100 of your total bankroll that you are willing to lose playing blackjack. So with a maximum bet of $100, my blackjack bankroll is $10,000. The reason for this is that although you may have the advantage, it is possible to lose a lot of big bets in a row. Having your big bet set as 1% of your bankroll reduces the chances of you going bankrupt to almost impossible.

If you want to live on the edge and have your max bet set at $100 with a bankroll of anything less than $10,000, just be aware that with bets of $100 you could get on losing or winning streaks of $3,000+ at any given time fairly easily.

Section 6 – The Illustrious 18

The Illustrious 18 are variations on basic strategy that you should adopt after the count reaches certain points. As the true count reaches or exceeds the specific number in each of the following situations, you should make the opposite move of what you would normally do.

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Section 7 – Closing Thoughts and Tips

1. Do not place any bet in front of you that you cannot afford to lose.
2. Sitting at the leftmost seat will give you the most time to count as you will be dealt last.
3. Scout the tables out to sit at the table with the deepest cut card possible.
4. If the move is to double down, always do the maximum.
5. For Atlantic City casinos, I recommend the Borgata. They have great rules for blackjack and it is also a very nice casino in general.
6. If you want to play a $10 table, get there in the early afternoon. The later it gets, the higher the limits become.
7. You will hear other players say things that are false all the time. Do not argue with them unless you just want to get frustrated.
8. You WILL lose a huge amount at some point. One instance where I was playing 3 hands at once, I lost $700 in 3 hands, or about 90 seconds. You have to be able to emotionally handle swings like that.
9. What another player at the table does has no effect on how much you are expected to win. A player doing a stupid move will help you just as often as it hurts you.
10. Keep a log of your trips. It is always good to see progress you have made.
11. In Atlantic City, the casinos cannot kick you out for card counting.
12. On more than one occasion, the pit boss has become suspicious of me and limited my betting to one hand at a time as well as shuffling the shoe a lot more often than normal. This hurts my expected winnings, but it beats getting kicked out.
13. Be friendly with the dealer, other players and pit boss if possible. It will throw the casino off your scent.
14. This is my log of all my trips to AC since I have started counting.

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I hope you guys have found this to be informative. If you have any questions, let me know.

TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
June 02 2009 22:52 GMT
#2
awesome guide... two questions

1.) how can a casino even prove that someone is card counting using the above method?
2.) with a 20k bankroll, would you move both min and max bet up to 20/200 or something like 10/200?
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Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
June 02 2009 23:01 GMT
#3
Good questions.

1. They can't really "prove it" per se, but they don't need to prove anything. Some things that may cause them to suspect you are:

a. If you sit in the last seat.
b. If you are betting the minimum for a while then suddenly have a huge increase in your bet.
c. Always returning to your minimum bet when a new shoe starts
d. Winning a lot of money (Doesn't necessarily mean you're counting, but it will certainly draw attention to you)
e. Illustrious 18 moves may tip them off. (Splitting 10s vs a 5 or 6 especially)

Now just because these draw attention to you, I will still do them every time. I'm not going to decrease my expected win just to disguise that I count.

2. Personal preference. I would probably do 20/200 because doing a 10/200 would probably draw a lot of attention to yourself from the pit. There is no magic formula to the betting scheme though. I spread it the way I do to try to curb some of the variance. Everytime you're betting $10, you're expected to lose. But if the count is high enough where you're betting $20 or more, you are expected to win. The more you bet, the more you will win.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3319 Posts
June 02 2009 23:09 GMT
#4
I'm going to have to try this out sometime.
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
June 02 2009 23:24 GMT
#5
Is it customary to tip the dealer in blackjack, and if so, when and how much?
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
June 02 2009 23:51 GMT
#6
On June 03 2009 08:24 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Is it customary to tip the dealer in blackjack, and if so, when and how much?


It is up to you, but I personally don't tip. Most of the players I have seen do not tip, and the ones who do usually tip $1 if they win a big hand or something. Regardless, the small tips really add up over time and can get you in trouble if you get overly generous.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
June 03 2009 00:11 GMT
#7
I will probably never try this out, but I read the whole thing and found it very interesting. Thanks!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
June 03 2009 00:17 GMT
#8
I have a question though, are there maximum bets? Could you do like 100/1000, with your bankroll being 100k?

I mean, the game doesn't get any harder, it's always the same regardless of the money you put in. So your meager 20$/h could shoot up to 200$/h if you had the bankroll?
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Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 00:35:25
June 03 2009 00:25 GMT
#9
On June 03 2009 09:17 snowbird wrote:
I have a question though, are there maximum bets? Could you do like 100/1000, with your bankroll being 100k?

I mean, the game doesn't get any harder, it's always the same regardless of the money you put in. So your meager 20$/h could shoot up to 200$/h if you had the bankroll?


well technically yes but keep in mind there's bet limits, so generally you can't show up with $1000 minbets or whatever. also the sample size in his SS is still quite small, his actual winrate could be much higher or much lower (or maybe about the same).

i've read about counting before and have tried it (the basic system as outlined here in fact; there's complex ones too but sometimes simple works good enough). This post summed it up quite well i must say. gj

oh yeah also, it's pretty important to have this down pat. and not like a bit of practice, but being able to keep the count without spending all your mental energy on it. people will talk to you, the last thing you wanna do is "shush i'm trying to count here". i mean you don't have to have very deep conversations, but even being able to keep up a very basic convo during practice will help.
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Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
June 03 2009 00:28 GMT
#10
On June 03 2009 09:17 snowbird wrote:
I have a question though, are there maximum bets? Could you do like 100/1000, with your bankroll being 100k?

I mean, the game doesn't get any harder, it's always the same regardless of the money you put in. So your meager 20$/h could shoot up to 200$/h if you had the bankroll?


At the $10 tables, the max bet the casino allows is $1,000. For the $100 minimums, I'd imagine the max would be $10,000 per hand.

But yes, if you have a bankroll of $100,000, you can safely do a $100/$1,000 spread. Likewise, my expected win would increase 10x of what it is at a $10/$100 spread.

I believe the MIT blackjack team had max bets of $10,000 per hand. That is a lot of pepperoni on the pizza.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 03 2009 00:39 GMT
#11
So you are averaging about 20$ an hour doing that. I dare say- with all of the intelligence of yours, i could think of things far more profitable....
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
June 03 2009 00:47 GMT
#12
On June 03 2009 09:39 Misrah wrote:
So you are averaging about 20$ an hour doing that. I dare say- with all of the intelligence of yours, i could think of things far more profitable....


As I said, it's something I enjoy doing. The free rooms, food, drinks and being able to enjoy the night life with my friends in AC are also bonuses.

Besides that, I graduated from college a few weeks ago and I will be starting my job as an actuary in Manhattan in a few weeks. You are right though, that job will be far more profitable than $20 an hour.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 03 2009 00:48 GMT
#13
Cool guide. I've been really into learning how to play casino/gambling games recently, obviously mostly no limit Texas Hold'em Watched some videos before on card counting in Blackjack and this guide is really cool and interesting. Once I'm 18 I think I can start going to casinos here in California and Las Vegas when I'm 21 :DDD

And at Misrah, maybe he is but if he was much more into it he could probably be making much more with bigger bets :O
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inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
June 03 2009 02:22 GMT
#14
A quick note about this guide vs the poker guide..

The value of a guide like this is exactly the same as it was 6 years ago...
The value of the poker guide compared to the same guide 6 years ago has plummeted so drastically.. poker is such a fucking dead end right now.

Really enjoyed this and may start learning with a friend of mine when we have drinks at my place.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 03 2009 02:32 GMT
#15
On June 03 2009 09:47 Kishime wrote:
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On June 03 2009 09:39 Misrah wrote:
So you are averaging about 20$ an hour doing that. I dare say- with all of the intelligence of yours, i could think of things far more profitable....


As I said, it's something I enjoy doing. The free rooms, food, drinks and being able to enjoy the night life with my friends in AC are also bonuses.

Besides that, I graduated from college a few weeks ago and I will be starting my job as an actuary in Manhattan in a few weeks. You are right though, that job will be far more profitable than $20 an hour.


Ohh it's not your main source of income- you have a job lol in that case KICKASS! that is some nice money on the side! I thought that you were doing this instead of a job lol
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patrick321
Profile Joined August 2004
United States185 Posts
June 03 2009 02:37 GMT
#16
Excellent guide! We have a yearly fundraiser where i am that does casino like things including blackjack. Last year i tried to study up so that i could do well at it but didn't have the time to do anything more than memorize the bidding table. Despite that, your practical tips and exercises really bring the practice down to earth compared to the relatively bare-bones guides i saw elsewhere and you sharing your payout sheet really puts it all in perspective!. Thanks a lot for putting your experiences into words.

If you wanted to include this in the sc2 beta key contests you should mention it in your post.
zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 02:56:50
June 03 2009 02:48 GMT
#17
Wow....Thanks

Question: why take the effort to write this up for us?

edit: I have a 20 hr plane ride tomorrow; I'm going to print this shit, bring notecards, and learn.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 03:36:42
June 03 2009 03:35 GMT
#18
It was an enjoyable write up to read.

Do you know what the counting rules in Vegas are? Probably a lot stricter, yeah?

On June 03 2009 11:22 inReacH wrote:
A quick note about this guide vs the poker guide..

The value of a guide like this is exactly the same as it was 6 years ago...
The value of the poker guide compared to the same guide 6 years ago has plummeted so drastically.. poker is such a fucking dead end right now.

Really enjoyed this and may start learning with a friend of mine when we have drinks at my place.


Why is poker such a dead end right now? Because of all the new blood? Because the skill level has started sky-rocketing?
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pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
June 03 2009 04:33 GMT
#19
Great guide. Some things I didn't get though, you said "If the dealer deals 2, A, 4, 3, 3, 7, K, Q, 2 the count is +4." Isn't it +1 -1 +1 +1 +1 0 -1 -1 +1, with the overall count being +2. Also, how do you know how many decks there are in the discard pile? Is it just estimation by the thickness of the cards? and can you also elaborate a bit on the illustrious 18. Thanks!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 05:04:48
June 03 2009 05:03 GMT
#20
On June 03 2009 12:35 thunk wrote:
Why is poker such a dead end right now? Because of all the new blood? Because the skill level has started sky-rocketing?

the skill has skyrocketed ridiculously compared to what the general level was when online poker first boomed. Back then if you knew the basic strategy you could be earning money at mid-high stakes, nowadays you need fairly advanced strategy to just beat mid-stakes... This is mainly because instead of the tables being mostly random people going online to gamble cos they're bored, it's now mostly people who study the game immensely and pay for coaching from higher players.

edit: that being said, poker isnt a deadend, it's just much harder to profit from than it was 5 years ago... There's still people making sick, sick amounts of money playing poker.
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