[Guide] Kishime's guide to Card Counting in BJ - Page 5

On April 09 2010 08:39 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
ok so the casino i go to has this machine which shuffles the cards. basically how i think it is is this: they have a shoe of about 6 decks in there( i will assume) and then when a certain amount of cards have been dealt they take that and put it back in the machine which makes a small noise(most likely shuffling the cards). so my question is: does this affect the count in any way? it doesnt seem possible to know how deep the cut is and to know when they will changed the next shoe

On April 09 2010 09:08 nosliw wrote:
I have trouble understanding the Illusion 18 chart. It doesn't give any actions (stay, hit, double, split etc), so what exactly is the opposite of normal? Also, will it be more accurate if the counting is more discrete? Instead of having -1, 0, +1, what if we extend it into -1, -0.5, 0, +0.5, +1? Would it be better?

On April 09 2010 06:57 Pokebunny wrote:


Dude, awesome bump, and awesome that you got a key. Nice guide! enjoyed reading a lot

On April 09 2010 21:38 Kishime wrote:


There isn't a cut card that indicates when they will shuffle the deck?

On April 10 2010 09:06 Stratos.FEAR wrote:


they take the cards out of the machine to deal so no one ever sees the cards. there is an open slot inside it and they take the card out right before it is dealt. and there is a slot in the top where the discarded cards are put back in

EDIT: heres a pic of what it sort of looks like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VtBqfaAxfGA/R6jVLUPxCRI/AAAAAAAAADg/sdPo5-na4Ac/s400/shuffle.jpg

On April 11 2010 06:24 Kishime wrote:


Yeah that would make it a lot harder to count if you can't tell how many decks are left.

On April 11 2010 15:29 Stratos.FEAR wrote:


is there any way to keep a count with something like this?

On April 14 2010 00:27 Kishime wrote:


If you don't know how many decks are remaining it is impossible to count.

On April 14 2010 03:40 lac29 wrote:
Which casinos have you played blackjack at besides AC?

On April 14 2010 04:08 Slithe wrote:


I played with some of those machines in Las Vegas, and I'm moderately certain that counting is pretty much impossible on those machines. Besides the fact that you don't know how many decks are in there, they refill it with the used cards often enough that you have very little info to work with. Essentially, they're re-shuffling after only a couple decks worth of cards have been dealt.

After reading this guide, I tried to do a little bit of card counting when I was up in Reno. It's pretty fun to do, since it requires a little more effort than regular blackjack. However, they only had single deck, so the strategy that I memorized was not quite optimal, and they only have 6:5 blackjack payout, so the house probably still had an edge on me.

On July 12 2010 02:09 heroyi wrote:
btw on your log you have some red highlighted, does that mean you lost that much cause you lost about 4.3k lol that sucks(then again you gained 1.7k).

On July 12 2010 02:09 heroyi wrote:do you know any good casino, including borgata, that still do hand shuffling and not using csm (for those that dont know csm is a shuffling machine that randomly shuffles the deck on the whim thus eliminating the ability to card count).

On July 12 2010 02:09 heroyi wrote:
1. how long have you been card counting?
2. would you recommend any other system that is a more accurate then hi-lo (i find it easy and want to try to see if i can handle other system) maybe omega or the zen??
3. I noticed that your log states you played on average about 4 hours per day? would play longer means more or should i implement some sort of goal and get out.
4. what tips can you give me to not get noticed by the pit. it is difficult, i find still, to try to make eye contact and have a conversation while still trying to track the cards down.
5. how long should i scout a table and how do i know when to join a table?
6. can my bankroll be lower then 10k (that is fucking alot) to play a 10$minimum table?
7. oh and technically cant someone that knows and hates you fuck you over by telling the casino you are a counter lol.

thanks a lot