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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 08:14:59
February 22 2009 08:11 GMT
#1
Recently, the New Zealand government passed perhaps the harshest anti-copyright law in the world. The law was passed under the Copyright Amendment Act and forces ISPs to turn off the internet to anyone who is suspected of breaking copyright law. That means that your internet could get cut without warning and without prosecution; unlike every other law, it assume guilt before trial. What's worse is that the definition of ISP includes any business providing internet - this includes schools, coffee shops and whatnot.

This law has only recently flared up in the media and has met with public outcry. One avenue of protest worth singling out is the "blackout" campaign on facebook; where those opposed to the law are replacing their profile pictures with a plain black image. This is certainly a dark day for the internet in New Zealand (and now I guess Australia finally can start giving NZ shit about our internet).

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Organized crime is everywhere. There's the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, the American Mafia and the Russian Mafia. There's also the Japanese Yakuza and, until they got so wealthy from their realty holdings and legitimate businesses they couldn't afford to be outside of the law, the Irish Sinn Fein.

The cynical among us might also include the barons of Wall Street and the cartels that control oil (OPEC) and diamonds (DeBeers), along with the U.S. health insurance industry (how they avoid being taken to court for their antitrust activities is a source of endless surprise to me).

There's another type of group that is indeed organized and whose actions border on criminal and are dangerous to Internet users, and that is the various groups around the globe that claim to represent the recording industry.

These groups represent huge private corporations such as record labels and distributors and are remarkably powerful. One such outfit, the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ), has just achieved something so outrageous, so stupendously immoral that it bears careful consideration.

Here's the story: A law was recently passed in New Zealand that has created what many consider to be the world's harshest copyright enforcement law. This insanity, found in Sections 92A and C of New Zealand's Copyright Amendment Act 2008 establishes – and I am not making this up – a guilt upon accusation principle!

Yep, you read that right. This means that anyone accused of "copyright infringement" will get his Internet connection cut off; and treated as guilty until proven innocent.

And if that weren't enough, this crazy legislation defines anyone providing Internet access as an ISP and makes them responsible for monitoring and cutting off Internet access for anyone who uses their services and is accused of copyright violations. Thus libraries, schools, coffee shops, cafes – anyone offering any kind of Internet access – will be considered ISPs and become responsible and potentially liable.

How could this ridiculous idea have become law in one of the nicest, most civilized countries I've ever visited (I've been to New Zealand twice and Kiwis, as they are called, are extremely friendly, relaxed, generous and hospitable, probably because they live in some of the most beautiful countryside on Earth).

The answer is that it is the result of immense pressure from the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand. In much the same way that the Recording Industry Association of America has used its massive legal resources to bully, harass and prosecute individuals alleged to have infringed copyright, so RIANZ lobbied and somehow managed to persuade New Zealand's parliament that the law was just, reasonable and the right thing to do.

Consider that similar proposals have not only been rejected by the European Union, but have actually resulted in the European Parliament voting in favor of an amendment against such legislation.

The EU amendment prohibits member states from implementing laws that would allow the disconnection of people accused of file-sharing based on the often dubious "evidence" (see "Tracking the Trackers") of anti-piracy groups.

This amendment -- which states that any such legislation "disconnecting alleged file-sharers based on evidence from anti-piracy lobby groups restricts the rights and freedoms of Internet users" -- put in a timely appearance given the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) has been lobbying hard for such laws and the French government was on the verge of actually implementing a bill similar to New Zealand's.

It seems that all of these industry meta-groups, the RIANZ, the BPI, and our own Recording Industry Association of America, just can't get their heads around the fact that they have a problem that can't be fixed the way they want it to be fixed. Instead they resort to politics and bullying to get what they want and it seems that many governments are willing to go along. Perhaps this isn't so surprising because all bureaucrats seem to repeat the same dumb mistakes.

- source: http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2009/022309-backspin.html?page=1

[quote]Thursday at noon, some 120 protesters descended upon the parliament in the capital, Wellington, and handed over an e-petition against the amendments with over 12,000 signatories, and a traditional one with 148 names, to the United Future party leader Peter Dunne.

Section 92A which will force ISPs to disconnect customers who have allegedly infringed copyright. The demonstrators were waving black placards reading "ISPs are not a court" and "Fair go, not Fear go".

Organizers Bronwyn and Matthew Holloway of the Creative Freedom Foundation said they weren't disappointed with the response. As well as the petition to Dunne, the Holloways handed a CD of their The Copywrong Song to all 122 Members of Parliament.

Half of the signatories to the online petition were artists, Matthew Holloway said. Also, he claimed that the CFF now had over 6,000 members, making it larger than the Australasian Performing Rights Association (APRA) in NZ.

Holloway said he was hopeful that S92A would be repealed. CFF will continue to campaign for this, with an internet blackout (design protest) coming up for many popular websites in New Zealand next Monday.

Hoping that the issue will move into the general interest area, and not be seen as a strictly technical or legal one, Holloway was keen to point out that it affects anyone connected to the internet.

Mauricio Freitas, proprietor of large NZ tech site Geekzone, also took part in the demonstration. He said: "I'm against copyright infringement and believe we need a law to curb it." However, Freitas said the new law didn't provide those accused with a "due course of action" in case the allegations are incorrect.

Furthermore, Freitas expressed concern about the implementation of the law from a content provider's perspective. "It's really unclear how it'll affect us and if it does, how to enforce it," he said.

In a further development, the opposition communications and information technology spokesperson, Clare Curran, sought leave in parliament to introduce a Bill to amend the Copyright Act to ensure that a workable code of practice was in place before the contentious Section 92A comes into force. The code would have to be approved by the relevant minister as well.

Presently, Section 92A looks set to come into effect on 28 February, but the ISP and telco industry organisation Telecommunications Carriers Forum (TCF) doesn't yet have a code of practice ready for its members, as rights holders have rejected parts of the draft version, relating to the need for evidence that will hold up in court and cost recovery for providers.

The governing National Party refused leave for Curran's Bill however, and she will now submit her Bill as a Private Member's submission. Curran criticized National for "sitting on its hands on the copyright issue," even though it was her party, Labor, that introduced the controversial amendments to the Bill.[/qoute]
- source: [url=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-270800.html]http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-270800.html[/url]

[quote]British humourist, broadcaster, author and technofreak Stephen Fry has added his support to online campaigns against New Zealand’s new copyright legislation, which would require ISPs to disconnect customers accused of downloading copyright material.

The controversial Section 92A of the Copyright Act comes into force on February 28th. Copyright holders and the telco industry are continuing talks on a code of practice for ISPs to deal with the legislation. A draft code has been released for public discussions, with submissions due to close on March 6th.

An organisation called the Creative Freedom Foundation has been campaigning against the law, and now a content creator, Juha Saarinen, has urged Web site owners, bloggers and users of social networks (Twitter, MySpace, Facebook, etc.) to black out a page or some content this week in protest at the legislation. Saarinen says the law is “there for the large entertainment organisations to terrorise Internet users”.

In response to a request from Saarinen, Fry has blacked out his image on his Twitter page.
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- source: [url=http://www.netguide.co.nz/20090216894/fry-backs-campaign-against-92a.php]http://www.netguide.co.nz/20090216894/fry-backs-campaign-against-92a.php[/url]
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51490 Posts
February 22 2009 08:13 GMT
#2
looks like aus will be welcoming some new immigrants!
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DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
February 22 2009 08:13 GMT
#3
if I was in new zeland I would be causing some hell...all the while screaming "RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"
yes.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
February 22 2009 08:15 GMT
#4
Aww nuu!!! P

That is the shittest luck ever Plexa, well, the internet is just a plane trip away
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cba
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia94 Posts
February 22 2009 08:38 GMT
#5
yeah, i migrated from nz to aus actually (from china to nz, then to aus). its a good place over here, although i definitely miss the peace and quiet of nz (ah, the serenity...).

bad luck about that, but i guess only time will tell exactly how strictly they will enforce it and the actual impact on everyone.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
February 22 2009 08:53 GMT
#6
ouch, holy shit, poor new zealander's
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
February 22 2009 09:00 GMT
#7
this reminds me of a law in Sweden that got pushed through last year that basically allows the government to spy on and tap phones/computers of citizens they suspect of terrorist and/or organized crime activities. The so called "FRA law" (scandinavian ppl should know about it).
I don't know what's worse. This or that.

Sucks though Plexa :S
Should do what the Swedish people did - demonstrate your ass off till they at least agree on changing key factors of the law.
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InPlainSight
Profile Joined January 2009
New Zealand40 Posts
February 22 2009 09:03 GMT
#8
How can the government check that the ISPs are disconnecting people accused of infringement? And how can anyone other than ISPs find out about infringement in the first place? I think the law has plenty of holes in it and will fail, unless ISPs decide to kill off there own customers. Although I have heard of cases of cease and desist prior to this about illegal downloads.

Either way this is just another notch against our pathetic internet service.
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
February 22 2009 09:10 GMT
#9
cant happen here in america can it?
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
February 22 2009 09:11 GMT
#10
As if the internet in New Zealand wasn't bad and expensive enough. I'm really sorry that you guys got the shaft so hard.
My unblocks gets yo curleh mustache wet のωの
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
February 22 2009 09:37 GMT
#11
That sucks New Zealanders. Internet neutrality will eventually become a big issue but currently people just aren't educated enough about the intertubes.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
February 22 2009 09:41 GMT
#12
Let me just remind all the aussies out there of the iinet lawsuit.

iinet, the third and perhaps the most successful ISP in Australia outside of Telstra and optus (The two big telecom corps that everyone had to put up with for some many years) is being sued by 7 media companies (Warner, sony blah blah blah) for guess what? doing nothing to stop bittorrenting.

They are really out to make iinet an example. If iinet loses the case, i don't see why government won't introduce laws similiar to the OP.

If iinet loses, i certainly will join any demonstrations, TIME TO THROW A FEW CHAIRS!
Rillanon.au
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
February 22 2009 10:07 GMT
#13
as an australian, i can sympathise with retarded internet issues

prices are way too high for such horrible caps here, i dont even give a shit about the speed, im just sick of the bullshit caps and the horrible pricing.

besides, bittorrenting isnt even illegal. i too will join in protests and demonstrations
HEY MEYT
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
February 22 2009 10:13 GMT
#14
jesus fu*kin christ..

and yet i had feared the day will come at some stage, though not in my life time -_-;;;

and i am hoping by 'suspected of breaking copyright law', they are only tracking torrents because eitherwise i will no longer be able to watch sc on youtube..

but seriously.. SERIOUSLY THIS CALLS FOR SOME RIOTING!~!!

schrel i want 6fac dropship nuclear action on the govt asap~~
Why So Serious?!
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
February 22 2009 10:14 GMT
#15
I bet well over half of NZ people do some sort of 'copyright infringement' on the internet. They wouldn't really cut EVERYONE'S internet off... would they? D:
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
February 22 2009 10:28 GMT
#16
Why do citizens let this stuff happen? (and its not just in NZ)
Do you really want chat rooms?
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
February 22 2009 10:34 GMT
#17
On February 22 2009 19:28 fight_or_flight wrote:
Why do citizens let this stuff happen? (and its not just in NZ)


Geeks on the internet make up a small proportion of a country's population and an even smaller proportion of "willing to protest" citizens. Everyone should be concerned with these kind of laws, but they're just ignorant.
No I'm never serious.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 10:38:05
February 22 2009 10:37 GMT
#18
On February 22 2009 18:41 haduken wrote:
Let me just remind all the aussies out there of the iinet lawsuit.

iinet, the third and perhaps the most successful ISP in Australia outside of Telstra and optus (The two big telecom corps that everyone had to put up with for some many years) is being sued by 7 media companies (Warner, sony blah blah blah) for guess what? doing nothing to stop bittorrenting.

They are really out to make iinet an example. If iinet loses the case, i don't see why government won't introduce laws similiar to the OP.

If iinet loses, i certainly will join any demonstrations, TIME TO THROW A FEW CHAIRS!


if this happens, i hope it wont be before 2011.

then i can move out after i do my hsc to a more internet friendly country, like japan or sweden =]
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Makiva
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
88 Posts
February 22 2009 11:21 GMT
#19
I wonder if this is going to be a scare tactic similar to how the RIAA went on a rampage and pulled Napster users into high profile court cases and squeezed thousands of dollars out of offending parties ... then eased off the whip when they saw a lot of people got spooked.

Likewise, maybe the NZ govt. hope to spook internet users from sharing copyright material by clamping down on certain users, and stop enforcing once they see "improvement". at least logistically and practically, to carry out this law continuously without abuse is nearly impossible.

But then again, you're in the land down under, and from what i hear, you guys can be pretty hardcore...or at least your neighbors can be.
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Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 11:50:46
February 22 2009 11:46 GMT
#20
On February 22 2009 19:37 GTR-2-Go wrote:
if this happens, i hope it wont be before 2011.

then i can move out after i do my hsc to a more internet friendly country, like japan or sweden =]


I beleive I finish school the same year as you and to be honest, I'm thinking the same thing. =)

Edit: Makiva, that is an extremely off-topic video. Really unnecessary -.-
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