• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:22
CET 12:22
KST 20:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9
Community News
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!9BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams7Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest3Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou22
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" The New Patch Killed Mech! Could we add "Avoid Matchup" Feature for rankgame Smart servos says it affects liberators as well Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET [ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival BW General Discussion BSL Season 21 ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking!
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help
Strategy
PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
LMAO (controversial!!)
Peanutsc
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1626 users

NZ Internet Screwed - Page 2

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
February 22 2009 11:51 GMT
#21
On February 22 2009 19:34 Nytefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 19:28 fight_or_flight wrote:
Why do citizens let this stuff happen? (and its not just in NZ)


Geeks on the internet make up a small proportion of a country's population and an even smaller proportion of "willing to protest" citizens. Everyone should be concerned with these kind of laws, but they're just ignorant.


Yeah, exactly. This is sad, because it's hard to prevent such things when the majority doesn't know or care about it (at first).
However, once this law is in effect and many are (falsely) accused and lose their internet access, there will be massive outcries, I'd bet.

Reading stuff like this makes me happy to live here, where we're still fairly reasonable about all copyright-related things.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 22 2009 11:53 GMT
#22
On February 22 2009 19:28 fight_or_flight wrote:
Why do citizens let this stuff happen? (and its not just in NZ)
This took us/me completely by surprise. It hasn't been until recently that this bill has hit the internet/media and the stupidity of it exposed. We were taken by surprise t.t I hope other nations won't fall into the same trap. Although, there were protests before it was signed but i mean, once a govt's in power theres nothing you can do about it.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
February 22 2009 11:54 GMT
#23
On February 22 2009 19:28 fight_or_flight wrote:
Why do citizens let this stuff happen? (and its not just in NZ)


What do you want me to do about it? :|
I only learned of this last week. I'm waiting to see what happens when businesses/universities get their internet shut down.
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
February 22 2009 12:07 GMT
#24
An awesome way to fight this would be mass civil disobedience, turning yourself in for torrenting and asking the ISPs to shut down your internet, or producing proof that business/university networks have been used in illegal activities and asking for their immediate shutdown.
I mean they cannot really be selictive enforcing the law can they?
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
February 22 2009 12:16 GMT
#25
dam that sucks for all the people who live in NZ
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
February 22 2009 12:19 GMT
#26
Tough luck; seems like the days of leeching for you guys are pretty much over.

I find it hard to understand though, how someone's internet access can be denied simply on the basis of suspect and without real evidence ( if I understood Plexa's post correctly). Basicly a carte blanche for the ISPs?

This law might actually scare a lot of people off, which could have more effect on piracy than the actual law itself. However that's just a wild guess.
Victor
Profile Joined November 2005
New Zealand1016 Posts
February 22 2009 12:26 GMT
#27
Oh crap, whats the point in having unlimited bandwith if i can't use it to download?
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
February 22 2009 12:42 GMT
#28
Wow that is terrible. Sorry all you NZ guys.
Super serious.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
February 22 2009 13:13 GMT
#29
On February 22 2009 19:37 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 18:41 haduken wrote:
Let me just remind all the aussies out there of the iinet lawsuit.

iinet, the third and perhaps the most successful ISP in Australia outside of Telstra and optus (The two big telecom corps that everyone had to put up with for some many years) is being sued by 7 media companies (Warner, sony blah blah blah) for guess what? doing nothing to stop bittorrenting.

They are really out to make iinet an example. If iinet loses the case, i don't see why government won't introduce laws similiar to the OP.

If iinet loses, i certainly will join any demonstrations, TIME TO THROW A FEW CHAIRS!


if this happens, i hope it wont be before 2011.

then i can move out after i do my hsc to a more internet friendly country, like japan or sweden =]

there's an ongoing trial against ThePiratebay.org in Sweden. Depending on the outcome, we could see some serious lawchanges in Sweden in the near future.
The trial still looks uncertain, although slightly in the defenders' favor.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
February 22 2009 13:22 GMT
#30
If this becomes real, one option is to stop BTing and start newsgrouping.

It is faster and have decent content. I think the idea is that it is not easy for authorities to track people this way.

what the government is effectively doing is limiting people and controlling how contents are distrabuted in their respective countries.

I am willing to pay for legal downloads. What i am not ok with is being limited to what i can see or listen to on the internet. The only way for me to get contents is by downloading, sometimes that has to resort to BT or newsgroup because the local provider can not fulfill that.

People should be educated but with the amount of retards that i see every day at work, i feel that the battle has already being lost.
Rillanon.au
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
February 22 2009 13:57 GMT
#31
People who try to keep themselves from being frauded on a regular basis by kids who want more stuff than they can earn fairly, spending money on drugs or t shirts or ice cream instead of on the music they regularly listen to; are now in the same group as the mafia? What a joke.

Filesharing where people obtain a song without ever paying for it, that if the technology did not exist they would pay for is ridiculous. There are two sides to the pendulum. Right now we are on the side of completely rampant internet piracy; and in the 70's and 80's it was on the side of completely unfair pricing from record companies and ludicrous opulence for the industry. We need to get to a centre of normality. While I don't necessarily agree that trying to stop and silence a huge degree of internet filesharing is the best way forward, it certainly is the quickest and least radical; and let's face it, aside from porn, copyright infringement probably accounts for most peoples' download operations.

I very much doubt we would all know so much about torrents and internet filesharing if there weren't free stuff to get out of it.

"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
simfarm
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Ireland75 Posts
February 22 2009 14:14 GMT
#32
that's really neat plexa. thanks for sharing with us.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
February 22 2009 14:32 GMT
#33
On February 22 2009 23:14 simfarm wrote:
that's really neat plexa. thanks for sharing with us.

Not sure if 'neat' is the right term for this.

That really sucks for you New Zealanders. What is it with internet regulation in your part of the world?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 22 2009 15:33 GMT
#34
Up until recently NZ has been one of the freest countries in the world - but this looks to change that =/
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
February 22 2009 15:53 GMT
#35
I like how people says "why do citizens let this happen?" as if anyone in any country anywhere has any real power to change the course of their government.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 22 2009 15:55 GMT
#36
On February 23 2009 00:33 Plexa wrote:
Up until recently NZ has been one of the freest countries in the world - but this looks to change that =/


anarchy now.
Life?
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
February 22 2009 15:56 GMT
#37
I will however also add that downloading copywritten things is stealing, period. You are getting value for nothing. I vehemently disagree that the ISP/government/anyone other than the person who commits the act should be held responsible for this, but the individual who does it should be punished.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 22 2009 16:02 GMT
#38
On February 23 2009 00:56 Ingenol wrote:
I will however also add that downloading copywritten things is stealing, period. You are getting value for nothing. I vehemently disagree that the ISP/government/anyone other than the person who commits the act should be held responsible for this, but the individual who does it should be punished.
Yes, fair enough. But this law is ridiculous - if you are even suspected of committing such acts your internet access is removed. That is independent whether the person is guilty or not - which is just wrong.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
February 22 2009 16:42 GMT
#39
That's horrible

Did the government already begin to execute this law??
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
February 22 2009 17:01 GMT
#40
Holy shit, that is messed up. Can't believe they think they're actually in the right about this.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
10:00
Crank Gathers S2: Group Stage
Streamerzone vs Shopify Rebellion
Streamerzone vs Team Vitality
Shopify Rebellion vs Team Vitality
CranKy Ducklings107
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 200
SortOf 117
Rex 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21408
Sea 4980
BeSt 1019
Pusan 445
Stork 325
EffOrt 189
Dewaltoss 72
ToSsGirL 67
Sea.KH 27
Icarus 18
[ Show more ]
yabsab 17
Bale 11
sas.Sziky 6
Dota 2
XcaliburYe221
League of Legends
JimRising 466
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1130
x6flipin359
oskar175
Other Games
singsing1400
ceh9435
B2W.Neo389
Pyrionflax325
Hui .154
Sick82
crisheroes72
Mew2King58
Fuzer 42
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL12794
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 25
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 53
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV228
League of Legends
• Jankos1885
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
38m
CrankTV Team League
1h 38m
BASILISK vs Shopify Rebellion
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
BSL 21
13h 38m
Replay Cast
22h 38m
BASILISK vs TBD
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
OSC
1d
CrankTV Team League
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
The PondCast
1d 21h
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
4 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
BSL 21
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
5 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.