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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Should be good to go if we're not starting before friday | ||
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Hapahauli
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Regarding PM usage, I think a very good early use of PM's is to try and establish the alignment of someone you know very well. For instance, I already used my first mason on Yamato77, who I'm very adept at reading and is a pretty good town player. Through these efforts I will slowly build a scum-hunting circle of awesomeness. I'll admit I'm a tad worried about the post-count restriction and our ability to jumpstart Day 1 reliably, especially if spammy players are concerned about the post-limit. As a result, perhaps a good 'ol fashioned questionnaire might be best to kick things off! 1) What are your views on PM usage? How and when should they be used? 2) Are there any policy lynches around the posting-limit we should consider? (i.e. if someone doesn't use all their posts, they get lynched, etc) 3) Who are players you feel you can read very well and reliably in this game? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On July 16 2013 13:22 Oatsmaster wrote: wtf hapa. horrible questions. Do you have better ones? I'd rather have discussion (even if forced) than none at all. And nothing about the answers to the questions are allignment indicative at all. What matters is how people answer them. Big, big difference there. On July 16 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: VE is scum, and Im town. Game too ez. In other news, Firmtofu pre typed that and its not alignment indicative. Pming people isnt a big deal and should be claimed, but honestly, if you dont mason a strong town read, you be bad or scum. Masoning strong town-reads can be a pretty bad idea under certain circumstnaces. For example, if one of your strong town-reads is a newbie without much scum-hunting clout, there's no point in masoning him. Similarly, you want to avoid a situation where everyone masons one player thereby wasting a whole bunch of town's resources. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On July 16 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah hapa, whos scum? Don't troll me. Normally I'd entertain you in the early game, but we have a limited posting to work on here. The reason why I think masoning a strong townread is good is because you dont have a post limit to discuss the game with them, Masoning should be used for scum-hunting purposes, and not for town circle-jerking purposes. Discussing the game with one of your town-reads is only going to be useful if that town player is really, really good. However, it also is going to do nothing but affirm your town-read on someone as opposed to getting information out of players you need information from. I dont feel that pming a scumread will confirm or deny your suspicions on him and with suspicion from both of you, the pm conversation is therefore less useful. Are town confirmed masons better or non town confirmed masons better if you are a mason? hmm? This is absurd. Talking to someone wont' confirm or deny suspicious? How the hell else do you scum-hunt? You talk to someone in-thread to confirm/deny suspicions. PM's are extremely valuable because they're our only resource for unrestricted information. Buddying a town-read can be good sometimes, but he better alternative will usually be either a) pressuring someone or b) early-game meta-based reads. Strong could also mean townread that has played a few games and is relatively experienced. And apparently you guys think that people dont think. Yeah sure Ill mason someone the whole game has masoned. useful. Guys.... Shit happens. People get over-emotional and derp all the time - even the most level headed of us. I never assume competency. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On July 16 2013 13:47 VayneAuthority wrote: Why do you think PMs are a good thing? All they do is provide shady ways of communication for people to manipulate others. If I can't see it in the thread how the fuck am I supposed to figure out the game? PM evidence should obviously be considered for what it is. It is possible to fake stuff like that. However it is still very useful in proper circumstances. For example, if a town-leader emerges, the PM evidence he/she brings forth will be pretty compelling evidence to lynch someone. On July 16 2013 13:48 slOosh wrote: Hey guys. If people are unsure about how to mason, they should just avoid using it. Worst thing we can do is have all the discussion going on in PM land and nothing to go off of someone's alignment other than their mason's read on them. How do you propose building up scum-hunting circles otherwise? Or was that a semi-joke? Circles don't have to necessarily form around one player. That being said, everyone masoning someone like a town Sandro probably wouldn't be all that bad. I'd have to think about this some more. On July 16 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Man im totally gonna blow my post count in like the first 3 hours. Who are you looking to be scum hapa. You can retract your statement at any time, but you have GOT to have some inkling who the people have posted are scum. Also, we disagree on how to use masoning. And I dont think I can change your opinion so lets not waste posts talking about it. 6 mafia + traitor right RoL? I think FT is the traitor from that first post. Usually Traitors try to "breadcrumb" their roles somehow in the thread so that they can either communicate with the mafia or be added to the mafia QT (through whatever mechanic). I'm not 100% on the read ofcourse (too early in the game to be certain about that stuff), but it's a remarkably constructed post and one that has a very alarming fixation on a specific role. Otherwise, no scum-reads. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Yamato's opinions of you are very justified. Not only did I read through DrH's filter and rather quickly arrived at the conclusion that he's a butt-hurt/emotional townie, but your vote post is both bad analysis and hypocritical: On July 16 2013 15:36 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: DocHelvetica 1)Every post he makes (and he's made a full 12 of his allotted 20 posts at the time of writing) makes me vomit inside my mouth a little bit. I don't like anything he's doing. 2)He's not pressuring anyone, he's wasting posts throwing shit at Vayne. I don't even know yet what I think about Vayne, but if the remaining 40% of his posts don't blow me out of the water, I want to kill Doc H today. 1) Who is more likely to make 12 rather content-heavy posts in quick succession... town or scum? 2) How on earth could his posts against Vayne not be considered pressure? You're doing to DrH exactly what you profess DrH to be doing. You generalize his posts as "vomit inducing" and vote him with barely any justification. @ Rayn On July 16 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh I really hate this post. You're voting SloOsh entirely because you disagree with him and not because you think his behavior is scummy. I can see see some rationale behind what sloOsh is suggesting (its better to be cautious about PM's since they are a limited resource). You're voting him for what I consider to be a fairly reasonable attitude. | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy fuck. This is why we have off-thread communication, this is from DrH's post: [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> have you talked a lot with DrH? [16:07:53] <Oatsmaster> somewhat [16:07:59] <Oatsmaster> quite a lot i guess [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> does he have any good points? [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> hmm [16:07:04] <Oatsmaster> well he doesnt know how hapa and vayne play [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> and he thinks FT is confirmed scum DrH explain, what's going on here? This is not how analysis works. You don't find something in DrH's filter saying he doesn't suspect FT, then take Oats talk as the word of gospel. Where does DrH ever say that he thinks FT is confirmed scum? I have no idea where on earth you gleaned that information from, much less why you trust Oats so much this early in the game? @ Wiggles I can't really defend anything you've written there, as I really haven't been around for much of the "analysis-worthy" content. I just woke up so I'll be catching up and posting as I find it. | ||
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On July 17 2013 05:38 VayneAuthority wrote: Any reason why you call out rayn for his vote on sloosh but not me hapa? As an outsider it seems you are picking and choosing on who you want to cast suspicion on, and forgive me if im wrong here, but rayn is considered a strong player while I am not. With that said, it's weird that you trying to discredit him but not me. I don't see the motivation for your behavior as town. Your posting so far has given me town-vibes reminiscent from your play in I Swear Mini. For example, your first post expresses an extremely unpopular and confrontational attitude towards the PMs. You don't seem to be interested in blending in or pleasing anyone, so I'm leaning town on you and you're not much of a concern for me. As far as Rayn goes... 3 things: 1) I don't consider him a strong player. A solid player, but not one with enough of a reputation for me to call him "strong," He is a rather good scum-player though. 2) I don't consider his pardoner claim alignment indicative. 3) His scum-hunting efforts so far are suspect. They're very logically flawed and have some other strange things about them (such as him instantaneously trusting Oats' word on DrH without looking into the issue himself). | ||
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