• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:05
CEST 23:05
KST 06:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview16Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7
Community News
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event12Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster12Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview Hybrid setting keep reverting. Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster HSC 27 players & groups
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1 SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion Soma Explains: JaeDong's Defense vs Bisu NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - LB Round 4 & 5
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Social coupon sites
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
NBA General Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1425 users

Petition: reintroduce truly medium settings

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 18:25:33
January 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#1
[image loading]

We all know that there is a very big difference between low and Medium Shaders, and in Heart of the Swarm that difference became more evident. High detalized unit models now is not possible to get when using low Shaders, meaning that you will see badly visible Force Fields, no unit silouethes when something is warping and other special graphic presets, that were not allowed to see on Low or Medium (or Higher) graphical settings.

Hybridic Graphic Settings - special graphic options, that can be considered as truly Medium settings, they are between Low and Medium ingame graphic settings.

Blizzard blocked these settings after Wings of Liberty Patch 1.5.0, where they're added variables checker. Also it was not a game modifying, because variables.txt is just text file with your graphic settings in text format (aka use shadows = yes/no or resolution width=1600 weight=900, and other similar options)



The main differences of "Low-Medium Hybrid Settings" from LOW settings are:
  • More detailed models - now you can see awesome green deaths from acid weapons (banelings, roaches) or flame deaths (from helions, colosus)
  • Shadows and better lighting. On fully-low settings the game becomes a bit darker, and sometimes it's TOO dark, especially on night maps, like Daybreak, Metalopolis or Shakuras Plateau. This settings preset fixes that
  • Another important feature of this preset is more visible/detailed Force Fields and Cloaked units than on low settings
  • You will be able to see what unit your enemy is warping. On low settings it's impossible to see
  • Small glossy effect on Overlords. On low settings they are very dark, but on medium and higher they are more noticeable with their glow on left-right sides of unit model
  • On low settings, the game is a bit more saturated. On medium-high-ultra settings, with HDR turned on, the game is a bit less saturated and a bit more realistic and less toy-ish
  • Pylon circle is same, as medium-high settings. No more ugly blue circle without animation!



The main differences of "Low-Medium Hybrid Settings" from MEDIUM settings are:
  • Instead standard textures it uses special low textures (alternate low textures), that have lower sizes, meaning that they require less memory to load during game
  • Every unneeded graphic parameter is turned to LOW for more FPS and more smooth game
  • Not much bloom, probably fully deleted bloom effect from the game
  • Everything feels more matt than glossy, especially with Zerg buildings (easier for eyes)
  • Less special lighting, like green light from injection or blue light under workers with minerals in hands
  • More stability and more FPS, especially high stability is noticeable when watching replays on 4x and 8x speeds or in big battles in team games




More informaiton about these settings in other thread
(open spoiler in first spoiler to see more)


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350426




Screenshots

[image loading] [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] [image loading]

Video demonstration

http://ru.twitch.tv/colminigun/b/325133339
http://ru.twitch.tv/colminigun/b/325130968








Poll: Reintroduce truly medium settings?

Yes (237)
 
94%

No (14)
 
6%

251 total votes

Your vote: Reintroduce truly medium settings?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





As I said, there is a very big difference between Medium and Low settings. Mediums ettings are very similar to High and Ultra settings, when Low settings are just different game. Blizzard must reintroduce truly medium settings, that make your game look less detalized than current Medium settings, but better, than current Low ones.

Please, support this thread on EU-forums, and if you can, repost it to official US-forums, where are always more developers.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6298353540#1
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
January 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#2
Please post comments here, why you like/dislike this idea
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
January 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#3
i've always admired how much effort you put into your OPs like with the graphic
yo
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 16 2013 18:41 GMT
#4
I actually didn't know that they changed it, normally things like that don't run past me. I hoped they would have fixed the cloaking issue differently, but this is fine as well. I really disliked that different option can give you an advantage ingame. As long as the better visibility of cloaked units don't come up again it would be good to have more setup options though.

Making Cloak details Texture based instead of model details.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
January 16 2013 18:42 GMT
#5
Yes we need this graphics ! Details are too high in medium on SC2.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 18:43:32
January 16 2013 18:42 GMT
#6
I fully support this as someone who has absolutely no idea why I lag in SC2 versus games like Blade and Soul that runs Unreal Engine on max graphics 1080p stream 40 FPS I get over 120FPS in BnS but some maps on SC2 I get 40FPS while streaming... Now, I can't even fix my graphic settings to how they were before so I can't see my FF for shit, which directly affects how well I cast them, and it lags worse than before.. how bad @_@;;

I really hope they let us have Stronger Team Colors and the ability to mod again in HotS... I don't know why they're taking away from the already very few options we had to change the game to benefit literally everyone but they need to wake up ..
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
TL+ Member
Shkudde
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands709 Posts
January 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#7
Yes please, I loved the way the game looked after implementing the settings you, Existor, recommended.
Everything was simple and without unnecessary effects, but all the usefull details were still visible.
$O$ | herO[jOin] | Zest hwaiting!
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
January 16 2013 18:49 GMT
#8
Yeah, Hybridic was the best, I'm pretty much fine how the game looks for me now, but at the same time I remember it was way more crisp back then.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
January 16 2013 20:25 GMT
#9
Low is good enough for me honestly, the only thing that could be better is the force field graphic. But I fully support the medium settings and would use them if they were available.
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
January 16 2013 20:39 GMT
#10
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod
MrMedic
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada452 Posts
January 16 2013 20:40 GMT
#11
I like the look of the game much more after these settings. Much more then when the game is on Blizzards low or medium settings.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
January 16 2013 21:18 GMT
#12
On January 17 2013 05:39 Kaitokid wrote:
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod

Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things.

Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 22:26:20
January 16 2013 22:25 GMT
#13
I miss this so much. It was such an amazing setting. The game looked significantly better without all the shiny crap and ran so well. I currently have to use plain old low settings because I don't like how shiny medium is. I can run the game on ultra but I am not used to that because I find it distracting.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
January 17 2013 03:20 GMT
#14
On January 17 2013 06:18 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 05:39 Kaitokid wrote:
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod

Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things.

Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please


I didn't say it was the same..
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
January 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#15
On January 17 2013 12:20 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 06:18 Existor wrote:
On January 17 2013 05:39 Kaitokid wrote:
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod

Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things.

Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please


I didn't say it was the same..

That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
January 17 2013 10:20 GMT
#16
On January 17 2013 12:51 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 12:20 Kaitokid wrote:
On January 17 2013 06:18 Existor wrote:
On January 17 2013 05:39 Kaitokid wrote:
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod

Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things.

Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please


I didn't say it was the same..

That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra


What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings. It is just too hard to draw a border after a while. Color mod is definitely over the top thatswhy I mentioned it + i've seen it mentioned before in this thread.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
January 17 2013 10:23 GMT
#17
What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings

Editing variables is officially allowed. The problem is that Blizzard limited more options to edit manually. Like high models on low shaders for example
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
January 17 2013 10:25 GMT
#18
On January 17 2013 19:23 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings

Editing variables is officially allowed. The problem is that Blizzard limited more options to edit manually. Like high models on low shaders for example


yea I noticed this is the case in HotS no idea why tho I play low shaders high models myself in WoL but it doesn't bother me much
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 17 2013 10:25 GMT
#19
Are there any drawbacks in allowing something like this? This is a legitimate question, since if there aren't any then regardless whether you are for it or not, there is no reason to be against it.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
January 17 2013 10:25 GMT
#20
What, really? I didn't know it was like this!
FlashDave.999 aka Star
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:00
XXVII: Day 1
TaKeTV 3043
IndyStarCraft 225
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 354
IndyStarCraft 225
Livibee 82
ProTech70
MindelVK 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22868
Aegong 67
LancerX 28
yabsab 14
Dota 2
Pyrionflax193
capcasts171
League of Legends
Grubby3622
JimRising 424
Counter-Strike
summit1g6452
Foxcn34
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King103
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu566
Khaldor71
Other Games
FrodaN2894
fl0m1036
KnowMe189
ZombieGrub49
Trikslyr48
UpATreeSC44
PPMD32
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta28
• Adnapsc2 10
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 26
• blackmanpl 21
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift2658
• Jankos2291
Other Games
• imaqtpie783
• Scarra597
• Shiphtur286
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
13h 55m
CSO Cup
18h 55m
BSL: ProLeague
20h 55m
SOOP
1d 11h
SHIN vs ByuN
HomeStory Cup
1d 14h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 20h
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV European League
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV European League
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Rose Open S1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
HSC XXVII
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.