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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On January 18 2013 04:51 xmungam wrote:
i'm against Any petition demanding a "TRUE" version of any particular subject.... What is "truly" medium to you might not be to blizzard.
Bad explanation. I understand your love to Blizzard, but have you compared Low and Medium settings difference? It's like between Low and Ultra
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On January 18 2013 04:41 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 17 2013 19:46 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 19:30 Ravomat wrote:On January 17 2013 19:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 12:51 Existor wrote:On January 17 2013 12:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 06:18 Existor wrote:On January 17 2013 05:39 Kaitokid wrote:
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things. Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please I didn't say it was the same.. That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings. It is just too hard to draw a border after a while. Color mod is definitely over the top thatswhy I mentioned it + i've seen it mentioned before in this thread. What if the official settings suck and are restricted for no reason? The stronger team color mod was created because you can't really tell units apart. I think your approach is naive. On January 17 2013 19:25 JustPassingBy wrote:
Are there any drawbacks in allowing something like this? This is a legitimate question, since if there aren't any then regardless whether you are for it or not, there is no reason to be against it. The only one I remember from the hybrid settings is you could see cloaked units much better especially on creep. This could be probably be addressed though. you cant be serious. you can easily tell units apart especially with teamcolors on, are you trying to tell me you cant tell apart grassy green and blood red colored units? Have you ever watched infested terrans vs infested terrans? yes I have and I can tell them apart easily just like any other unit... and someone mentioned he cant tell apart blue and red stalkers? How can you even watch team sports then?
Perhaps you didn't see my post or I'm missing something in what you're saying? Just so you know, some tournaments do not require the use blue red, and it's probably more common than not, other than MLG and GSL. In which case you can end up with pink/purple and the like. It's not so much about if you can see who is winning the general battle but with STC you can vividly see each single unit such as a zergling, baneling, or IT for example. I don't really understand your argument against hybrid settings or color mod...
You are saying because you can see apart the units everyone else should be inclined to your opinion, and if not they shouldn't watch or play the game?
I mean, we literally noted that some people cannot play or watch this game due to how the settings currently work, either by the fact of resources taxed on your computer(the OP/hybrid settings/patch 1.5), or too visually hard to perceive(Stronger team colors).. so... you just don't care about them or what am I not understanding? This doesn't seem very controversial to me at all.. @_@;;?
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Please, stop discussion about Stronger Team Color here. This thread is not about stronger colors. We're talking about settings that take place between official Lows and Mediums
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On January 18 2013 05:07 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 04:41 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 17 2013 19:46 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 19:30 Ravomat wrote:On January 17 2013 19:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 12:51 Existor wrote:On January 17 2013 12:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 06:18 Existor wrote:On January 17 2013 05:39 Kaitokid wrote:
I am against these sort of things personally, especially against the color mod Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things. Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please I didn't say it was the same.. That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings. It is just too hard to draw a border after a while. Color mod is definitely over the top thatswhy I mentioned it + i've seen it mentioned before in this thread. What if the official settings suck and are restricted for no reason? The stronger team color mod was created because you can't really tell units apart. I think your approach is naive. On January 17 2013 19:25 JustPassingBy wrote:
Are there any drawbacks in allowing something like this? This is a legitimate question, since if there aren't any then regardless whether you are for it or not, there is no reason to be against it. The only one I remember from the hybrid settings is you could see cloaked units much better especially on creep. This could be probably be addressed though. you cant be serious. you can easily tell units apart especially with teamcolors on, are you trying to tell me you cant tell apart grassy green and blood red colored units? Have you ever watched infested terrans vs infested terrans? yes I have and I can tell them apart easily just like any other unit... and someone mentioned he cant tell apart blue and red stalkers? How can you even watch team sports then? Perhaps you didn't see my post or I'm missing something in what you're saying? Just so you know, some tournaments do not require the use blue red, and it's probably more common than not, other than MLG and GSL. In which case you can end up with pink/purple and the like. It's not so much about if you can see who is winning the general battle but with STC you can vividly see each single unit such as a zergling, baneling, or IT for example. I don't really understand your argument against hybrid settings or color mod... You are saying because you can see apart the units everyone else should be inclined to your opinion, and if not they shouldn't watch or play the game? I mean, we literally noted that some people cannot play or watch this game due to how the settings currently work, either by the fact of resources taxed on your computer(the OP/hybrid settings/patch 1.5), or too visually hard to perceive(Stronger team colors).. so... you just don't care about them or what am I not understanding? This doesn't seem very controversial to me at all.. @_@;;?
by this logic you can also justify editing something to have increased zoom out. if someone has sight issues and can't tell apart units of 2 different colors he should stop playing sc2 or deal with it. the only problem I see currently witht he colors in the game is that if 1 player picks the color green the other player sees himself and his opponent as green on the minimap when he has teamcolors off.
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You can edit variablex tst and just check the "read only" option so it cant be overwritten by blizz, or am i thinking wrong ? Works for me...
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I have posted on eu and i hope more people will because regardless if it comes back in the same form or even some "advanced graphic setting"-tab ingame form it is greatly missed and there is no excuse in the form of "the technology isnt there yet"...
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I support this, I just hate true LOW (with units going *poof* when dieing, pylon power radius being a dotted circle etc) but medium is just ... like high. And when im on my laptop I cant really play reliably well on such settings.
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Even though I myself never used such settings, I might do so in the future and it's great always great to have more options. I support your idea and I'll do a post on battle.net then.
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On January 18 2013 05:44 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 05:07 -Kyo- wrote:On January 18 2013 04:41 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 17 2013 19:46 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 19:30 Ravomat wrote:On January 17 2013 19:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 12:51 Existor wrote:On January 17 2013 12:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 06:18 Existor wrote:
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Color mod =\= hybridic settings. Both are totally different things.
Hybridic settings are just graphical settings, color mod - replaced unit models with stronger team color. Don't mess it, please I didn't say it was the same.. That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings. It is just too hard to draw a border after a while. Color mod is definitely over the top thatswhy I mentioned it + i've seen it mentioned before in this thread. What if the official settings suck and are restricted for no reason? The stronger team color mod was created because you can't really tell units apart. I think your approach is naive. On January 17 2013 19:25 JustPassingBy wrote:
Are there any drawbacks in allowing something like this? This is a legitimate question, since if there aren't any then regardless whether you are for it or not, there is no reason to be against it. The only one I remember from the hybrid settings is you could see cloaked units much better especially on creep. This could be probably be addressed though. you cant be serious. you can easily tell units apart especially with teamcolors on, are you trying to tell me you cant tell apart grassy green and blood red colored units? Have you ever watched infested terrans vs infested terrans? yes I have and I can tell them apart easily just like any other unit... and someone mentioned he cant tell apart blue and red stalkers? How can you even watch team sports then? Perhaps you didn't see my post or I'm missing something in what you're saying? Just so you know, some tournaments do not require the use blue red, and it's probably more common than not, other than MLG and GSL. In which case you can end up with pink/purple and the like. It's not so much about if you can see who is winning the general battle but with STC you can vividly see each single unit such as a zergling, baneling, or IT for example. I don't really understand your argument against hybrid settings or color mod... You are saying because you can see apart the units everyone else should be inclined to your opinion, and if not they shouldn't watch or play the game? I mean, we literally noted that some people cannot play or watch this game due to how the settings currently work, either by the fact of resources taxed on your computer(the OP/hybrid settings/patch 1.5), or too visually hard to perceive(Stronger team colors).. so... you just don't care about them or what am I not understanding? This doesn't seem very controversial to me at all.. @_@;;? by this logic you can also justify editing something to have increased zoom out. if someone has sight issues and can't tell apart units of 2 different colors he should stop playing sc2 or deal with it. the only problem I see currently witht he colors in the game is that if 1 player picks the color green the other player sees himself and his opponent as green on the minimap when he has teamcolors off.
what an incredibly stupid and narrow-minded point of view you have sir, whats wrong with making the game playable for others?
I sure hope youre either way to young to be able to squeeze your fat feet into somebody elses shoes, or youre one of those special people and either way not allowed to vote in any elections whatsoever thus having no real power over other peoples lives....
Of course clolorblind-mode should be allowed, even stronger, easier to distinct from one another colors should be allowed as an option to help people who are having trouble with their sight.
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On January 18 2013 21:09 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 05:44 Kaitokid wrote:On January 18 2013 05:07 -Kyo- wrote:On January 18 2013 04:41 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 17 2013 19:46 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 19:30 Ravomat wrote:On January 17 2013 19:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 12:51 Existor wrote:On January 17 2013 12:20 Kaitokid wrote:
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I didn't say it was the same.. That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings. It is just too hard to draw a border after a while. Color mod is definitely over the top thatswhy I mentioned it + i've seen it mentioned before in this thread. What if the official settings suck and are restricted for no reason? The stronger team color mod was created because you can't really tell units apart. I think your approach is naive. On January 17 2013 19:25 JustPassingBy wrote:
Are there any drawbacks in allowing something like this? This is a legitimate question, since if there aren't any then regardless whether you are for it or not, there is no reason to be against it. The only one I remember from the hybrid settings is you could see cloaked units much better especially on creep. This could be probably be addressed though. you cant be serious. you can easily tell units apart especially with teamcolors on, are you trying to tell me you cant tell apart grassy green and blood red colored units? Have you ever watched infested terrans vs infested terrans? yes I have and I can tell them apart easily just like any other unit... and someone mentioned he cant tell apart blue and red stalkers? How can you even watch team sports then? Perhaps you didn't see my post or I'm missing something in what you're saying? Just so you know, some tournaments do not require the use blue red, and it's probably more common than not, other than MLG and GSL. In which case you can end up with pink/purple and the like. It's not so much about if you can see who is winning the general battle but with STC you can vividly see each single unit such as a zergling, baneling, or IT for example. I don't really understand your argument against hybrid settings or color mod... You are saying because you can see apart the units everyone else should be inclined to your opinion, and if not they shouldn't watch or play the game? I mean, we literally noted that some people cannot play or watch this game due to how the settings currently work, either by the fact of resources taxed on your computer(the OP/hybrid settings/patch 1.5), or too visually hard to perceive(Stronger team colors).. so... you just don't care about them or what am I not understanding? This doesn't seem very controversial to me at all.. @_@;;? by this logic you can also justify editing something to have increased zoom out. if someone has sight issues and can't tell apart units of 2 different colors he should stop playing sc2 or deal with it. the only problem I see currently witht he colors in the game is that if 1 player picks the color green the other player sees himself and his opponent as green on the minimap when he has teamcolors off. what an incredibly stupid and narrow-minded point of view you have sir, whats wrong with making the game playable for others? I sure hope youre either way to young to be able to squeeze your fat feet into somebody elses shoes, or youre one of those special people and either way not allowed to vote in any elections whatsoever thus having no real power over other peoples lives.... Of course clolorblind-mode should be allowed, even stronger, easier to distinct from one another colors should be allowed as an option to help people who are having trouble with their sight.
my point still stands, no idea what you are trying to tell me with this rant, try to sound less angry and frustrated next time would appreciate it. you cant draw a border when you allow such things outside of what blizzard offers.
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On January 19 2013 04:52 Kaitokid wrote:
my point still stands, no idea what you are trying to tell me with this rant, try to sound less angry and frustrated next time would appreciate it. you cant draw a border when you allow such things outside of what blizzard offers.
I agree that his rant was abit over the top however to discuss:
If you choose to play on the current low you will still have the effect of easier spotted cloaked units, wich seems to be mostly what comes up again and again.
Should low be removed since it could cause an uneven playing field, but doing so will exclude people from the game?
Going by what you have written in this thread so far i must ask, if blizzard implemented the exact same settings (as the once we are talking about in the op) through an advanced tab ingame would you be alright with it?
(i get the impression you would but i could be wrong)
Several games were you could change game variables to really gain an unfair advantage quickly developed an accepted standard for the competitive scene.
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On January 19 2013 10:48 Mooneyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 04:52 Kaitokid wrote:
my point still stands, no idea what you are trying to tell me with this rant, try to sound less angry and frustrated next time would appreciate it. you cant draw a border when you allow such things outside of what blizzard offers. I agree that his rant was abit over the top however to discuss: If you choose to play on the current low you will still have the effect of easier spotted cloaked units, wich seems to be mostly what comes up again and again. Should low be removed since it could cause an uneven playing field, but doing so will exclude people from the game? Going by what you have written in this thread so far i must ask, if blizzard implemented the exact same settings (as the once we are talking about in the op) through an advanced tab ingame would you be alright with it? (i get the impression you would but i could be wrong) Several games were you could change game variables to really gain an unfair advantage quickly developed an accepted standard for the competitive scene.
yes I would be alright with it. what you said in the last paragraph sounds interesting. Can you give specific examples?
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I "sign" your petition. Hopefully Blizzard gets their eyes on this
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Hey, I fully support this as I just started playing sc2 and never got the chance to try out the hybridic settings. I am currently using the settings posted on your original hybridic thread. My question is is that the best settings to play on graphically for advantage? I keep hearing things like I should be playing on the lowest settings so I can see cloaked units, is this true still? Can I still see cloaked units with your settings? Also what graphic settings do all the korean pro's use? Also what about minigun? He is not streaming right now or I would ask.
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On January 19 2013 12:05 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 10:48 Mooneyes wrote:On January 19 2013 04:52 Kaitokid wrote:
my point still stands, no idea what you are trying to tell me with this rant, try to sound less angry and frustrated next time would appreciate it. you cant draw a border when you allow such things outside of what blizzard offers. I agree that his rant was abit over the top however to discuss: If you choose to play on the current low you will still have the effect of easier spotted cloaked units, wich seems to be mostly what comes up again and again. Should low be removed since it could cause an uneven playing field, but doing so will exclude people from the game? Going by what you have written in this thread so far i must ask, if blizzard implemented the exact same settings (as the once we are talking about in the op) through an advanced tab ingame would you be alright with it? (i get the impression you would but i could be wrong) Several games were you could change game variables to really gain an unfair advantage quickly developed an accepted standard for the competitive scene. yes I would be alright with it. what you said in the last paragraph sounds interesting. Can you give specific examples?
The first 2 i remember would be Counterstrike and CoD4.
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Wow these seems so much better. 
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On January 19 2013 04:52 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 21:09 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On January 18 2013 05:44 Kaitokid wrote:On January 18 2013 05:07 -Kyo- wrote:On January 18 2013 04:41 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 17 2013 19:46 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 19:30 Ravomat wrote:On January 17 2013 19:20 Kaitokid wrote:On January 17 2013 12:51 Existor wrote:
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That "personally" as you called it, is just better and optimized variation of graphical settings. There is a huge difference between low and medium settings, and for some players low settings are ugly, when medium looks like its Ultra What I meant is that I am against any form of editing the game outside of the official settings. It is just too hard to draw a border after a while. Color mod is definitely over the top thatswhy I mentioned it + i've seen it mentioned before in this thread. What if the official settings suck and are restricted for no reason? The stronger team color mod was created because you can't really tell units apart. I think your approach is naive. On January 17 2013 19:25 JustPassingBy wrote:
Are there any drawbacks in allowing something like this? This is a legitimate question, since if there aren't any then regardless whether you are for it or not, there is no reason to be against it. The only one I remember from the hybrid settings is you could see cloaked units much better especially on creep. This could be probably be addressed though. you cant be serious. you can easily tell units apart especially with teamcolors on, are you trying to tell me you cant tell apart grassy green and blood red colored units? Have you ever watched infested terrans vs infested terrans? yes I have and I can tell them apart easily just like any other unit... and someone mentioned he cant tell apart blue and red stalkers? How can you even watch team sports then? Perhaps you didn't see my post or I'm missing something in what you're saying? Just so you know, some tournaments do not require the use blue red, and it's probably more common than not, other than MLG and GSL. In which case you can end up with pink/purple and the like. It's not so much about if you can see who is winning the general battle but with STC you can vividly see each single unit such as a zergling, baneling, or IT for example. I don't really understand your argument against hybrid settings or color mod... You are saying because you can see apart the units everyone else should be inclined to your opinion, and if not they shouldn't watch or play the game? I mean, we literally noted that some people cannot play or watch this game due to how the settings currently work, either by the fact of resources taxed on your computer(the OP/hybrid settings/patch 1.5), or too visually hard to perceive(Stronger team colors).. so... you just don't care about them or what am I not understanding? This doesn't seem very controversial to me at all.. @_@;;? by this logic you can also justify editing something to have increased zoom out. if someone has sight issues and can't tell apart units of 2 different colors he should stop playing sc2 or deal with it. the only problem I see currently witht he colors in the game is that if 1 player picks the color green the other player sees himself and his opponent as green on the minimap when he has teamcolors off. what an incredibly stupid and narrow-minded point of view you have sir, whats wrong with making the game playable for others? I sure hope youre either way to young to be able to squeeze your fat feet into somebody elses shoes, or youre one of those special people and either way not allowed to vote in any elections whatsoever thus having no real power over other peoples lives.... Of course clolorblind-mode should be allowed, even stronger, easier to distinct from one another colors should be allowed as an option to help people who are having trouble with their sight. my point still stands, no idea what you are trying to tell me with this rant, try to sound less angry and frustrated next time would appreciate it. you cant draw a border when you allow such things outside of what blizzard offers.
I dont care, Im ranting because I need to release my own rage, rage caused by ignorant, egocentric, immature people such as yourself.
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