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On February 06 2012 18:41 Tunkeg wrote: Joker claim At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways. Losing him would be bad in the way losing a townie is bad, but getting Batman completely on our side would more than weigh up for that. If Batman have any brains at all he would play standard safe townplay (after the Joker death), do DT checks and push lynches on scumtargets he had checked, to boost his towncred, all the way until he revealed Hugo Strange, which he then would just off, and leave victoriously. The cons of a strategy like this is if there is a Joker but not a Batman in the game. Then we would just lose a blue for nothing. But overall the idea of Joker claiming is a good one. I dont like this idea. I agree that as soon as the Joker dies, Batman works with the town. At least until Strange is dead too. SO if Joker claims, Batman kills him and then joins town. But, actually, even with the joker alive, i do not think batman will start shooting randomly. His victory condition includes killing two specific people, one town and one mafia. At least one of them is going to die during this game, so the only way batman could NOT fullfil his victory condition is if one side wins before he manages to kill the target that belong to this side. Therefore, at least during the beginning of the game, Batman should not want to favor any side . Therefore it makes more sense for him to use his DT power rather than shoot. And even if we sacrifice the Joker, if we get to Strange early, then Batman wont help us cleaning the remaining scum. We should discuss joker claiming once Hugo Strange is dead. Then it could be a good way to get batman off our asses. And as far as town is concerned, catwoman should be considered as scum. She wins if scum wins. She migth lose if town wins. A pretty strong one as she is immune to night hits, and cannot be discovered via DT. | ||
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On February 06 2012 20:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If the early DT checks die, it was all for naught. He might as well shoot into the dark. And if he misses his target, it was all for naugth too. Except one side is now closer to win and thus it reduces a bit his chances to find his target in time. The number of player alive are gonna drop anyway. Random shots do not make sense. Plus you underestimate the possibility of taking advantage of the information you have. You know that X is not one of your target ? Push for someone else being lynched. X is not mafia and you know it. Easier to make a case defending him. DT hecks are much stronger than Random shots. | ||
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On February 07 2012 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Moving on to Cyber_Cheese: Cyber_Cheese's points about Catwoman are wrong. Or maybe it was Tunkeg? Someone said "catwoman should just shoot the most pro-town people", that's not true either. Catwoman should DT until she finds her target then kill them. She doesn't win with scum. If scum win before two-face/penguin are dead then Catwoman loses. Shooting the most pro-town looking people will probably just result in red and green deaths. If you even broadcast that advice or assumption why would two-face and the penguin put themselves in the spotlight? Now Catwoman is in a WIFOM situation where she has to guess what her target is thinking and shooting randomly is unsafe, puts her at a higher risk of losing the game. With the combined full force KP of batman/catwoman/mafia all shooting into "town" (except batman/catwoman don't know who town is, although you guys seem pretty confident they will know implicitly) the game will likely end with scum winning and town with both third parties losing. I'm not going to crunch numbers because I can't do math but I'm guessing of at least one of each candidate surviving to endgame in this scenario are pretty high. I hope that clears things up. I think Cyber_Cheese is either mafia or, more obviously, Batman. I don't know why I didn't put it together before but the player trying to get the Joker offered up scot free with no clear pro-town motives seems like a pretty good bet for me. If he's not third party or scum I'd be pretty shocked. Can anyone link me to some games in which Cyber_Cheese was a town aligned player in memory? As much as I agree with you on Batman, I disagree on you Catwoman stance. In my eyes, Catwoman wants to help scum. Her target are one vig and one vig/DT, both valuable target for scum. A scum victory will most likely pass through the death of both of these player. I'm not sure she is going to shoot N1 ( even tho shes has 3/4 chance of hitting town), but she will start shooting much earlier than Batman. We could get lucky and have her hit scum, but i wouldnt rely on it. As far as I stand, i'm considering Catwoman as a scum that town should get rid of if given the possibility. @Kenpachi : Are you planning on being usefull, or do you want town to lynch you before you got the chance to do it? Are you planning to do anything else than OMGUS'ing people that vote for you ? The only reason i'm not voting for you is that you've had similar bad play in Steamship. How are you expecting town not to lynch you with this kind of play ? @rgTheSchworz : So now that you created some pressure in order to get lynch target, what did you find out ? Who do you think we should lynch ? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote: Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion? From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ? | ||
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On February 08 2012 07:43 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At all the votes on me: We should satisfy the neutrals town targets asap so they don't have any reason to fire randomly. You can pray they DT if you want, but It's not something I want to rely on. I still feel like someone that could kill every night might do it just because they can, and I still suspect it's more optimal than DT'ing. I expect 2-3 groups arose to take a stance on my plan: -Mafia to shut it down -The townies who are targets, out of selfishness - But that's the last I'm going to say about it. This is just plain bad. Why would you sacrifice 3 blue role ( one to Batman and 2 to catwoman) just to get rid of the 3rd party, not even to get rid of real scum. Just of the chance they shoot and do not DT ? On day 1 ? Why should they shoot randomly early ? Why ? How do shooting early help them satisfy their win condition ? It doesnt. That is just 100% scum play to get rid of town blues, how do you not realize this. This plus the fact that I got no gut feeling on sheth means you get my vote. ##Vote Cyber_cheese | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:38 chaoser wrote: you idiot....toad/palmar both claimed two-face. And they both told you to not to protect them since they are "unkillable" or some shit like that. They need protection. Two-face doesnt count as dead until both palm and toad are dead. But they can still die individually if shot. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: Ok people, I am gonna announce something. Who else has claimed apart from Kurumi, Toad, BM and me? Palmar claimed to be mason with toad. Toad says he has no idea what plamar is talking about. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:57 rgTheSchworz wrote: And QT thing is legal and real? QT thing is real. It was created using a Role. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:36 Toadesstern wrote: also I'm a VT from now on. As mentioned I used my shot on Kenpachi. If you are a VT from now on, would you mind sharing the details of your role ? I mean, you are not 2 face, and you dont have any power anymore. You can as well share with us what you were. Beleiving DocH is 99% town doesnt help if you cant convince us. I'm not asking you to out the role of DocH obv. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:10 Toadesstern wrote: no I won't. I already claimed that I shot Kenpachi and that I got only 1 bullet. I don't want to give Batman any hints and tell him if he has to shoot me or not. I'd much rather see him DT me first and decide wether I'm a target or not. Especially given what Radfield keeps on saying about "joker is confirmed in our QT" I don't feel like outing my name or role is a good talent toi have. The problem is that you did not tell us beforehand who you where going to shoot. So we have strictly no rason to beleive it was you and not mafia/another vig that shot Kenpachi. AS for now , it seems that we will have to decide between lynching you/DocH or rgTheSchwortz Also, what do you think of plamar ? Do you have any idea why he also fake claimed two face ? | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote: No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I need to wait for BC to claim my name. There is an issue with my role that is potentially confounding and I need to make sure BC is okay with me alluding to it. I will PM him with that. I think you should wait before claiming. As for now, I think town as no reason not to beleive you. If rgTheSchwortz comes back into this thread, maintain his 2face claim, and keep accusing you/ then maybe it will be necessary for you to claim. As for now, i would like to avoid mafia/third parties getting more information than they already have. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:50 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy. Unkillable by CW and he claimed Two-Face. CW's hit was like 99% on Schworz, because of reasons Radfield has given. This goes with hit on You and suspicion. How else would You like to explain his action? Poison Ivy Medic blabbering about You being scum? Why would he immediately say he DT checked DocH, and got guilty. Wouldn't he have a better chance of saying he claimed Kenpachi ( as an example) and got Mafia ( Ken was a miller)? His action doesnt make sense as Ivy. My explanation : *CW did not shoot because she is bad at this game. *Two face flips a coin when running DT check. If heads he gets the good results, if tail the wrong one. *rgTheSchwortz is Two Face This being said, Lets lynch Sheth. | ||
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*Mafia had no reason to shoot him. If they beleived he was 2 face, they would let CW deal with him. If he was not two face then town would lynch him. He is pretty much a wast of mafia KP. *He is alive, so if Batman or CW shot him, then he is vet. But then his DT check on DocH doesnt make sense. *Town didnt really have a reason to shoot him, especially after toad admitted that he fake claimed only to protect 2 face. So either rG is lying about his hit, or about his DT check. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:06 Tyrran wrote: Also, Did any vig shoot rG ? I'm wondering why he got hit last night. *Mafia had no reason to shoot him. If they beleived he was 2 face, they would let CW deal with him. If he was not two face then town would lynch him. He is pretty much a wast of mafia KP. *He is alive, so if Batman or CW shot him, then he is vet. But then his DT check on DocH doesnt make sense. *Town didnt really have a reason to shoot him, especially after toad admitted that he fake claimed only to protect 2 face. So either rG is lying about his hit, or about his DT check. EBWOP : I missed the fact that he said he was immune to vig shot. I guess a vig shot him to test that ( kurumi ? ). He really is two face then. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:34 Jayjay54 wrote: what about clayface hidden stuff. you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. I prefer my explanation of Two face flipping a coin when checking someone. Head : rigth result. Tail: Wrong result. Rigth now, i'm thinking rG is two face. I'd still like some explanation from him tho. | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:01 rgTheSchworz wrote: I seriously don't get it. I posted in a hurry because it's f...ing FREEZIN in my country atm and i had to go to school. 20 pg+ since I went afk. Please explain Toad why i'm not Two-Face. Trololol rG is actually MrFreeze trying to attrack bullets. rGTheSchworz , if you really are 2 face, please answer this by Yes or No : Is there any indication in your role PM that would indicate that your DT read are not 100% reliable ? While waiting for an answer : ##vote : Liquid Sheth | ||
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On February 12 2012 17:05 Palmar wrote: got roleblocked. Also, told you bugs was scum. Seing that docH claim about Clayface was entirely true, do you still beleive that Toad is scum ? On February 12 2012 19:14 rgTheSchworz wrote: BM is on my suspect list right now too. He claimed medic and a roleblock n1. He was in favor of a mass claim(which would only benefit mafia btw). He dissapeared d2 and n2 when all this shit was going on. I´m starting to ask some questions. Stop trolling, we know you´re town by now. Let me start by asking you a few question too : Why are you still alive ? Did you get 'hit' again tonight ? Of do you 'KNOW' once again for a fact that CatWoman did not shoot again? The fact that WBG bussed you does not confirm you town, as it is completely possible that he bussed one of his teamates in order to look town. If we look at your filter, you have done a extremely good job confusing town since day 1. Also, lying about a DT check cannot be a town move, in any occasion. You should die for this. @Radfield : Who did you DT check tonigth ? | ||
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