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chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 27 2011 22:16 GMT
#15
/in

This looks really really cool.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 28 2011 18:05 GMT
#59
So we are sent the name of a player, and then we give them a role. Wouldn't this make mafia way overpowered, as they would know both the alignment and role of a few players? I think it would work better if we each just submitted a role and they were randomly assigned to players.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 28 2011 22:11 GMT
#72
On May 29 2011 03:45 deconduo wrote:This, coupled with the fact that people are more inclined to pick town sided roles. Also there super secret balance mechanics that are going on in the background


Excellent. Looking forward to this one.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 29 2011 18:31 GMT
#95
Bulletproof Emperor Paranoid Gun Owner Medic DT Hero Day Vigilante. That's not overpowered, is it? :p
I also think whoever gets Jackal should call his role Jackal Chan.

chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 01:31 GMT
#151
My role is awesome for a townie and useless for a mafia. If I end up on a scum team with this person, I'm gonna be so upset with myself.

Since this question was overlooked earlier, will we be informed of who picked our role for us?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 04:00 GMT
#159
On May 30 2011 12:57 tnkted wrote:
Ok, Decon didn't end up accepting my zombie-mason-bulletproof-ascetic-cult recruiter role. it wasn't OP at all, the zombie had to post 'brains' in every post or get modkilled!

Yeech. Anyway, I sent in a better one that I don't think he'll deny because its so hilarious and awesome that I wish I had it.


tnkted: "I'm a zombie that is immune to night kills and will give you a scum free PM circle."
town: "LOLOL ##vote: tnkted"

That was a painful game to watch.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 19:30 GMT
#194
Confirmed. Let's do this.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 20:13 GMT
#214
"Official" day post won't be up for another 45-ish minutes, but I don't see any reason why we couldn't start now.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#227
On May 31 2011 05:15 Mataza wrote:
Wait, how does Traitor even fit my initial description.

Town hates traitors and I can´t imagine people getting traitor being unsatisfied, no?
It is the exact opposite!


Mole?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 20:31 GMT
#244
On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.


1. This will not help us clear up confusion
2. Even role claims will not prove alignment. Roles were picked before alignments were known. This game will have to be won on analysis alone.
3. Do not mass roleclaim.
4. Do not fucking mass roleclaim.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 21:35 GMT
#381
I'm just going to completely ignore Amber, because a dogspeak role is absolutely useless and we've wasted a lot of time talking about it. He could easily be a mafia who saw that someone decided he had a post restriction, and started distracting us with it.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 21:39 GMT
#387
I would help with BC's list, but I have no idea of the skill level of players in this forum.

I think LAL should stand. I cannot see any reasonable scenario in which players could benefit town by lying.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 21:53 GMT
#396
Ah, that makes more sense now. Thank you EM. So, are we all going to make a zodiac list, or should one person present one and we can all agree/disagree with it? We shouldn't spend too much time on this either, since it could be easy for scum to spend the entire day picking at the list and hide from actually having to contribute and being analyzed.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 21:59 GMT
#400
To be honest, I think Amber is lying about his post restriction. Anyone who makes a role that prevents a player from discussing and analyzing in a game based on discussion and analysis is an idiot, unless he has some sort of incredibly superpowered night ability.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 22:54 GMT
#435
On May 31 2011 07:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Voting varp cause he's scum.


Where's your evidence?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 23:17 GMT
#452
I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 23:30 GMT
#459
On May 31 2011 08:26 Eternalmisfit wrote:Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff.


I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list.

Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 23:31 GMT
#461
And he has a decent defense, so far at least.

Varpulis, what do you think of GMarshal?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 30 2011 23:44 GMT
#467
1. Yes, with less people and more information to go on, it gets much simpler. Day 1 is usually rather messy.
2. We do our best to analyze and hope scum slip.
3. Things that will help us find scum and create a pro-town atmosphere. Call out lurkers, ask players questions/thoughts on the game or other players.

On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote:
I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful...

This is an example of a fluffy and pointless post. It didn't help us find scum or create positive discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 31 2011 08:23 Palmar wrote:
Woah, that bro sure got some explainin' to do.

Ya feel me? He's playing like a bitch, and not a man. Let's keep it real VarpuliS, look at these posts from early SNMMI


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2011 05:19 Varpulis wrote:
Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to

a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on.

b) Wait to see how things play out.

I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking.



+ Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2011 06:27 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:19 sandroba wrote:
That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me.

This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious.

I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing.

Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though.


Gotta take a note, these are first two posts from that game, this aint the VarpuliS we're seein' here today, hell naw, this bro got something fishy goin' on.

He even does an analysis on a mafia, day 1, not afraid of nothin', that bro. I liked that man, he didn't take no shit from anyone


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts.

First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:
On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.

Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/

This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange.
Show nested quote +
But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/

This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum.

Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky.

This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level.

Finally, we've got lucky number 3:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:
On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:
On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky.


Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all !

Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol

Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do:
-unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep
-mafia -because they're trying to blend in
I don't want either in my town come lategame.

Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her.

## Vote Shcoleosis



But now, compare it to the worthlessness that is VarpuliS this game:

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On May 31 2011 05:23 Varpulis wrote:
On May 31 2011 05:22 chaos13 wrote:
On May 31 2011 05:15 Mataza wrote:
Wait, how does Traitor even fit my initial description.

Town hates traitors and I can´t imagine people getting traitor being unsatisfied, no?
It is the exact opposite!


Mole?

I'm guessing something to do with either an alignment switch or an alternative win condition.




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On May 31 2011 05:35 Varpulis wrote:
I think that we should claim not who we designed the role for, but what purpose the role has. This doesn't put the person with the role in any danger, and gives us a rough idea of what we have to work with. It could be as simple as

[ ] KP
[ ] Information
[ ] survivability (extra lives)
[ ] unlisted

check all that apply.

That's vague enough that nobody should be able to tell that they got the role that you're pointing out, but specific enough to be useful. I for one would like to know how many roles with DTesque powers there are.

thoughts?



Silly idea from a silly man, we don't want to tell the mafia what kind of roles we designed, we don't need to give mafia info to work with man...


Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote:
My plan could get fucked up bigtime by scum fake claiming, just like any other. I think that it's a better alternative to sandroba's plan, which I don't like.

Why don't we ditch them both? Neither is very good, I think. Later on, they could be more useful. Until crazy shit starts happening, i'm going to treat this like we're all vanilla, like Palmar suggested.


Here he's just backing off cause y'know, this VarpuliS aint got no balls, now he just afraid like a little bitch.

Then he goes on and tries to communicate with the dog for a while, that's just silly derailing, I ain't buying that shit.

And then man, the worst of all...


Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum.

About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan.

I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.

what does NoC stand for?


A goddamn excuse? A real man, a man that aint got nothin' to hide just sticks to his guns and grabs his balls of steel and says, yo, look, I'm smarter than you bro, so just shut up.

No, this bro aint no baller, this bro is a damn scum.




This is an example of a good post. Not only did it discuss and analyze a player to help provide input from multiple players (which is always a good thing), it started further discussion.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 31 2011 00:26 GMT
#494
redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on.

This leads me to think you might be scum.


redFF scum, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it.

-redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2

redFF scum, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue

redFF town, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however.
-redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie.

redFF town, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly

So, to sum up my thoughts:
1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow.
2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role.
3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them.
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