• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:31
CET 14:31
KST 22:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)1Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win2RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket
Tourneys
[Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Which season is the best in ASL? Data analysis on 70 million replays FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft 2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2104 users

[Items] Gold/10 Item Efficiencies

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 16:35:18
May 19 2011 14:45 GMT
#1
Philosopher's Stone: 15 HP/5, 8 MP/5
HP/5 is valued at 29 gold/point (based off of regrowth pendant)
MP/5 is valued at 55.7 gold/point (based off of meki pendant)
Net worth before factoring in gold/10: ~881 gold
Cost Efficiency: 881/800 = 110%

Avarice Blade: 12% Crit Chance
Crit is valued at 50 gold/point (based off of brawler's gloves)
Net worth before factoring in gold/10: 600 gold
Cost Efficiency: 600/750 = 80%

Kage's Lucky Pick: 25 Ability Power
AP is valued at 21.75 gold/point (based off of amp tome)
Net worth before factoring in gold/10: ~544 gold
Cost Efficiency: 544/765 = 71%

Heart of Gold: 200 HP
HP is valued at 2.64 gold/point (based off of ruby crystal)
Net worth before factoring in gold/10: ~528 gold
Cost Efficiency: 528/825 = 64%

UPDATED 8/14/2012
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
May 19 2011 15:05 GMT
#2
get two of them philos on ma alistar and outlast any vlad player in the world
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:00:56
May 19 2011 15:36 GMT
#3
Its so funny, when I started to play LoL a year ago... I rush Philosopher's Stone every game and all my team call me bad, noob, shit player =(

And wdf, 1 year later, Philosopher's Stone is da new FOTM??
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 15:37 GMT
#4
philostone used to cost over 200 gold more, give the same stats and not build into anything.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
May 19 2011 15:40 GMT
#5
*and riot steadily nerfed all the other overly-efficient items

That's right, folks. Nerfing is the answer to every balance problem.
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 16:36 GMT
#6
On May 20 2011 00:40 myopia wrote:
*and riot steadily nerfed all the other overly-efficient items

That's right, folks. Nerfing is the answer to every balance problem.

QQ me a river. Nerfing other items was correct and nerfing Philostone is the right way to fix this current imbalance.

In the meantime, run 0 Mp5 and rush double philostone on all laners with mana. Thank me later.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 19 2011 16:40 GMT
#7
Pretty simple evidence for philo stone nerfs, but in the meantime abuse that roaming meta
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:10:43
May 19 2011 17:10 GMT
#8
Step 1) Make philo stone hyper cost effective
Step 2) Nerf heart of gold
Step 3) Make philo stone build into tenacity item

????

Step win) Philostone on everyone
volcryn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States149 Posts
May 19 2011 17:18 GMT
#9
more evidence of philo stone being OP

1) 800g to build philo stone, sells back for 400g
2) upgrade to Eleisa's miracle for 400g, sell back for 840g
3) net gain 40g (assuming you were selling the philo stone anyway)
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 19 2011 17:22 GMT
#10
You upgrade and then sell it for extra money? Hilarious. Are there any other items like that?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
volcryn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States149 Posts
May 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#11
not that I'm aware of
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#12
nope, it's the only one that works that way. It works out like that since doran's and gold/10 items sell for 50%, while other items sell for 70%. The other gold/10 upgrades are too expensive to net profit.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#13
LOL WHAT
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 17:31 GMT
#14
I never realized that, but it makes sense to me. Lawl, still retarded though.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:35:24
May 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#15
On May 20 2011 00:37 Mogwai wrote:
philostone used to cost over 200 gold more, give the same stats and not build into anything.

ít didnt give gold per 5 either
In the woods, there lurks..
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 17:35 GMT
#16
On May 20 2011 02:34 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 00:37 Mogwai wrote:
philostone used to cost over 200 gold more, give the same stats and not build into anything.

ít didnt give g5 either

yes it did. unless I'm super trippin' balls, it has given gold/10 since like, november of 2009.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:39:21
May 19 2011 17:38 GMT
#17
Why would they name it a Philosopher's Stone if it didn't have gold/10?

Also according to LoL wiki it has had gold/10 before Sept of 09.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 19 2011 18:11 GMT
#18
I certainly had gold/10 when I started LoL, but that only was like half a year ago...

Guess I actually might dig up my Regrowth opening on Ashe again. It's not exactly good against burst though (roamers!). I was using armor seals and MP5L glyphs lately, so that would then change to MRL glyphs which is at least some extra safety.
I wonder how it will fare.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
May 19 2011 19:17 GMT
#19
My team got mad at me when I bought my fourth Philosopher's Stone.
But why?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 19 2011 19:18 GMT
#20
yeah costing that way with regen items doesn't work
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #232
SteadfastSC43
Liquipedia
Wardi Open
12:00
Qualifier #2
WardiTV640
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 130
ProTech107
trigger 82
SteadfastSC 43
MindelVK 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4909
Horang2 3457
Bisu 2403
Flash 1771
Shuttle 768
Stork 723
Soma 547
Light 473
BeSt 353
Mini 336
[ Show more ]
Barracks 299
Snow 291
hero 240
ZerO 239
Last 218
Rush 151
Hyun 145
Pusan 106
soO 85
Backho 69
Soulkey 61
ToSsGirL 55
NotJumperer 42
Mind 41
zelot 28
sorry 27
ajuk12(nOOB) 26
Icarus 23
SilentControl 21
Aegong 20
Terrorterran 20
scan(afreeca) 18
sas.Sziky 13
HiyA 11
Noble 11
Hm[arnc] 8
ivOry 7
Dota 2
singsing2742
Gorgc2314
qojqva1155
BananaSlamJamma54
syndereN7
League of Legends
Reynor64
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2403
x6flipin925
zeus330
oskar116
Other Games
B2W.Neo1641
crisheroes363
Fuzer 320
QueenE64
nookyyy 20
Trikslyr14
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream209
Other Games
BasetradeTV77
StarCraft 2
angryscii 19
CranKy Ducklings14
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• iHatsuTV 4
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 6409
• WagamamaTV268
League of Legends
• Jankos2358
• TFBlade475
Upcoming Events
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
10h 29m
The PondCast
20h 29m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
OSC
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.