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Flash's 2 fact push after expo

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dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 09:55:04
February 23 2010 09:27 GMT
#1
6 rines 3-4 vults with vults rallied 3 tanks and a few scvs

the rines tank while vults plant is what allows the scvs to build walls and shit and the tanks siege....do u think this will see a significant shift in the metagame and make a shift by toss to reaver (negating the rines and thus less time for vults to mine and terran to get a good position)?

discuss.

edit: basically fd build into 2nd fac
the game was just played, flash vs jangbi @ KHAN vs KT, 23/2/10
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
February 23 2010 09:41 GMT
#2
fac cc fac? Is that what you're talking about? You give so little information other than the fact that flash has done it atleast once... Either way your post is aweful -_-
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112185

I recently made a thread about this and got alot of good advice.

I think its one of the reasons flash has started doing FD alot more, and is why I switched to FDs from Siege Expos.
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
February 23 2010 09:58 GMT
#4
thanks catch22 some good stuff in that thread
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 23 2010 13:20 GMT
#5
On February 23 2010 18:41 Ftrunkz wrote:
fac cc fac? Is that what you're talking about? You give so little information other than the fact that flash has done it atleast once... Either way your post is aweful -_-

Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
February 23 2010 16:33 GMT
#6
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/36065_Bisu_vs_Flash/vod

A recent version of it from Winner's League. One of my favorite games of the past few months too.

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Bisu goes for a 1gate range + obs -> expo. In the interview, Flash said he saw Bisu's obs at his nat. So he do not need build more turrets to defend from reavers or DTs. Instead he lands his Rax and builds more rines (already had 8 from FD). He moves out when his 4th tank pops with 10+ rines and rallies vults with mines. Siege finishes right when he reaches Bisu's choke. Some gosu turret placement and gg.


Truely a thing of beauty. Only really viable when you can rule out reavers, but I'm totally gonna try this on my friends!
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
MonkeyMania
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3 Posts
February 23 2010 16:45 GMT
#7
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
February 23 2010 19:53 GMT
#8
On February 23 2010 18:55 Catch]22 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112185

I recently made a thread about this and got alot of good advice.

I think its one of the reasons flash has started doing FD alot more, and is why I switched to FDs from Siege Expos.

I haven't watched the game yet. Could this be done with siege expo? how does the timing differ?
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 23 2010 20:09 GMT
#9
On February 24 2010 04:53 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 18:55 Catch]22 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112185

I recently made a thread about this and got alot of good advice.

I think its one of the reasons flash has started doing FD alot more, and is why I switched to FDs from Siege Expos.

I haven't watched the game yet. Could this be done with siege expo? how does the timing differ?


You can do it with a siege expand aswell, but if you FD before, you'll have alot more marines.
ExSoldier
Profile Joined April 2008
378 Posts
February 23 2010 20:29 GMT
#10
this strategy isnt all that special... you have to be good as flash to pull this off and map has to be in your favor... watch light vs snow... snow stopped it without breaking a sweat.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
February 23 2010 20:50 GMT
#11
On February 24 2010 05:09 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2010 04:53 Piste wrote:
On February 23 2010 18:55 Catch]22 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112185

I recently made a thread about this and got alot of good advice.

I think its one of the reasons flash has started doing FD alot more, and is why I switched to FDs from Siege Expos.

I haven't watched the game yet. Could this be done with siege expo? how does the timing differ?


You can do it with a siege expand aswell, but if you FD before, you'll have alot more marines.

oh right stupid me. i forgot the rines =)
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
February 23 2010 23:35 GMT
#12
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113506

flash states that this is his new playing style vs protoss that he has talked about in past interviews
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
February 24 2010 00:01 GMT
#13
On February 24 2010 08:35 nebffa wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113506

flash states that this is his new playing style vs protoss that he has talked about in past interviews


I don't even play sc but I want to know his "new management" style.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 00:39:00
February 24 2010 00:17 GMT
#14
On February 24 2010 05:29 ExSoldier wrote:
this strategy isnt all that special... you have to be good as flash to pull this off and map has to be in your favor... watch light vs snow... snow stopped it without breaking a sweat.

I don't think it has too much to do with map balance - its a pretty viable build order on most non-huge-maps. However, its heavily based on precise timing and abusing greedy builds vs. protoss. Yes, it isn't all that special, but it makes toss players think twice before doing a greedy build vs. Flash - and I'm sure that's Flash's goal. With his macro/intuitive brilliance, he should be able to decimate Toss players with the edge he gains over toss players with this build.
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Singapore884 Posts
February 24 2010 02:01 GMT
#15
On February 24 2010 05:29 ExSoldier wrote:
this strategy isnt all that special... you have to be good as flash to pull this off and map has to be in your favor... watch light vs snow... snow stopped it without breaking a sweat.


I actually agree with ExSoldier. I don't believe it is different from any other timing push, but it's flash doing it which makes it so good.

And yes, flash's secret management style mush be figured out, which is impossible unless replays are available...
Stats. The new standard bearer of the protoss.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
February 24 2010 02:06 GMT
#16
IMO this isn't really a good strategy outside the pro-league scene. I've played many PvTs at lower levels where 2 fact is completely negated by things like 4 dragoon flanks, surrounds, and tank snipes.

Imo, if you're going to expand, expand. Don't push out until the Protoss is taking his third. Doing a push like that is flogging a dead horse at this level because your units can get sniped so easily.
the throws never bothered me anyway
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
February 24 2010 19:02 GMT
#17
i dont understand why this has to be done off an FD. Siege expand or expo after 3-4 marines on the spot at the natural before tank (cut ~2 scvs) gives so much better econ and can allow for a 2nd fac to be placed while the 2nd tank is building before building 3rd supply = higher vult count earlier into the game. Once your expo is up and running, keeping pumping marines and you should have 6+ by the time you attack.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
February 24 2010 19:05 GMT
#18
it doesnt have to be a FD. can be a siege expo or tank+4rine expo too
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 24 2010 19:11 GMT
#19
Isn't there some advantage with going FD instead of Siege Expo when doing this though? Why else would Flash do FD in all of his recent TvP's?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
February 24 2010 19:26 GMT
#20
Is there a Liquipedia page for this strategy?
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