• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:53
CEST 20:53
KST 03:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th156Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them? StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
Cara Refund Tiket Agoda The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7991 users

Proleague Maps Updated

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 02:09:48
December 03 2009 06:21 GMT
#1
HBR becomes Shin Heartbreak Ridge
Moon Glaive becomes Neo Moon Glaive
Tornado becomes Shin Tornado (although, if you want it to sound better, Neo's fine)


[image loading]


Shin HBR changes:
- Added 500 mineral field at nat
- Centered mineral expos
- Expanded middle of map (all ridges now connected to center)
- Expanded area is unbuildable

+ Show Spoiler [animated HBR changes] +
[image loading]



[image loading]


Neo Moon Glaive changes:
- Adjusted size so that the originally-mineral-only expo can be blocked with 3 pylons now
- Made changes so that doing siege mode near ramp of entrance doesn't cover the entire nat
- Added 2500 gas at the originally mineral-only expo. However, reduced gas at originally third gas-expo to 2500 gas (meaning all gas is now 2500 except for mains and nats)
- Made changes so that you can't attack third's gas from fourth's and vice-versa
- Made changes so that you can wall with 2 depot 1 rax at main
- Increased area at center of map which is unbuildable
- Made nat's entrance bigger from 6 grid to 8 grid
- Made 2nd entrance to nat closer to main entrance
- Made it possible to build turrets at the area just before getting to high ground from the nat
- Made positional imbalance fixes so that marines and lurkers can harass that nat's gas from the 2nd entrance on all positions


[image loading]


Shin Tornado changes:
- Increased all minerals to 2000 at all naturals
- Reduced gas value at 2nd expo from 2000 to 1000, and increased 1 mineral field (from 7 to 8)
- Made it so that you can wall 2nd expo with 3 pylons
- Increased ramp size at the triangular high grounds, added a neutral building that can be destroyed to widen ramp (250hp stacked 4 times)
- Changed 1/7 main's mineral/gas layout to prevent positional imbalance


[image loading]


Match Point fixes:
- Changed 12/6 gas expo positioning so that gas cannot be harassed from across the wall (not the main wall)


[image loading]


Outsider SE fixes:
- Made it so that you can't defend your main's entrance (ramp area) with just sunkens


[image loading]


Fighting Spirit fixes:
- Fixed so that all positions allow 2 depot 1 rax block at ramp

+ Show Spoiler [animated Tornado changes by butterbrain] +
[image loading]


Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=101671&db=issue
thanks to butterbrain for the find and gifs
thanks to konadora for translation on page 3
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 03 2009 06:29 GMT
#2
Neo HBR looks... interesting.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 03 2009 06:30 GMT
#3
So this new heart break looks even harder for zerg
hoping someone will bust out some info on how its not going to be terrible zvp

anyone else, opinions on maps?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 03 2009 06:32 GMT
#4
It will be fun to see how different HBR plays now
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 03 2009 06:35 GMT
#5
so do all the ridges lead into the center?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
December 03 2009 06:35 GMT
#6
I'm not sure of balance, but Neo Heartbreak Ridge doesn't look as nice, and Neo Moon Glaive's center doesn't look as much like a glaive worm.
지지이이이이이이이이이이이
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
December 03 2009 06:38 GMT
#7
Hm i think neo hbr could be a lot better for tvp now. Pushing through the middle instead of taking one of the lanes, so that you can stay on the highground.
aka DTF-ZeRo
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
December 03 2009 06:41 GMT
#8
The new Moon Glaive naturals seem easier to defend, even if the choke is larger. The second entrance isn't so far in back anymore.
Writer
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
December 03 2009 06:41 GMT
#9
wtf moon glaive so many gas now
POGGERS
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 03 2009 06:43 GMT
#10
On December 03 2009 15:41 konadora wrote:
wtf moon glaive so many gas now


shit i just noticed, woot go zerg
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 03 2009 06:45 GMT
#11
On December 03 2009 15:43 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 15:41 konadora wrote:
wtf moon glaive so many gas now


shit i just noticed, woot go zerg


yeah, i noticed a bunch of small changes and missed this

StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 03 2009 06:54 GMT
#12
so k, we have are ups and downs, its late
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 03 2009 06:59 GMT
#13
On December 03 2009 15:30 StorrZerg wrote:
So this new heart break looks even harder for zerg
hoping someone will bust out some info on how its not going to be terrible zvp

anyone else, opinions on maps?

what do you mean even harder? It was retarded for pvz. Now its at least a bit less unfair
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 07:03:07
December 03 2009 07:00 GMT
#14
+ Show Spoiler [animated Tornado changes] +
[image loading]
TL should have a minigame where you have to destroy some rocks before you can make a new post – DentalFloss
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
December 03 2009 07:04 GMT
#15
thats funny i was just thinking they should have done that with HBR, bcus why would the two tips not be openings.
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
December 03 2009 07:04 GMT
#16
All these maps are scary Bases are soooo big!
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 03 2009 07:08 GMT
#17
no mineral onlys on moon glaive? wow
i dont see how neohbr is supposed to be less imba for zvp, it looks like 5hatch hydra will just have an easier time with mobility and taking the high ground
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 03 2009 07:08 GMT
#18
moon glaive is going to be a protoss graveyard with the wide chokes.

new hbr seems pretty interesting. i'm not exactly sure how well flanking will work on this map but the high ground advantage looks pretty good for t now.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
December 03 2009 07:10 GMT
#19
Damn i lose my ovie spots in ZvT on Heartbreak
sAviOr...
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 03 2009 07:13 GMT
#20
great, an even more useless middle expansion for neoHBR =S
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#56
RotterdaM1226
TaKeTV 466
TKL 461
SteadfastSC217
IndyStarCraft 192
BRAT_OK 134
ZombieGrub65
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1226
TKL 461
mouzHeroMarine 371
SteadfastSC 217
IndyStarCraft 192
BRAT_OK 134
UpATreeSC 80
ProTech79
ZombieGrub65
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 722
Horang2 455
Free 43
Hyun 39
Shine 15
GoRush 13
Counter-Strike
fl0m8899
zeus502
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King58
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu290
MindelVK10
Other Games
gofns48076
tarik_tv15657
Grubby3137
Trikslyr1590
Beastyqt667
B2W.Neo649
FrodaN571
KnowMe188
C9.Mang0157
QueenE70
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream2842
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 181
• StrangeGG 62
• EnkiAlexander 28
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix22
• 80smullet 16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade928
Other Games
• imaqtpie737
• WagamamaTV240
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 7m
ByuN vs Shameless
PiGosaur Cup
1d 5h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - GSB
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.