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KP formula: Mafia Count: >2= KP 2 Mafia Count: <2= KP 1 And when Mafia Count = 2? | ||
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Seems legit. | ||
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So lets talk about who we're going to kill. I'm going to announce my candidacy and say that the DT plan is a fine idea. I'm also going to say that for my first lynch, I would kill tricode. Why? Simply put he's bad at this game. If he's town, he's throwing down pretty garbage posts thusfar and has a pretty terrible mayoral platform. If he's mafia he's subscribed to the foolishness/scamp "play the unassuming bro" early on to avoid attention. that said, he's probably just bad at playing town. Next: DT plan lynch. I say we talk about it during the night after we have a death and a day's worth of people to look at. | ||
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If you've got a 100% certain mafia candidate on the first day, feel free to tell me. Somehow I don't think I'll believe you, really. | ||
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You throw out really, really obvious mafia tells in games where you're townie; that's not acceptable play because you set yourself up to get killed later when the lynches matter more. For the first day, where we have pretty much no information and very little other than player skill and prior experiences to work with, your history of contributing nothing and fanning flames between townies does not help us at all. So yeah, given a choice between bad players and good players who have an equal chance to be mafia, I'm going to pick the bad players, because the good players can actually produce quality posts for the town. Foolishness, for instance, typically plays like complete garbage for 3 days to get mafia off his ass, but then he produces. MBH typically does not talk for 2 days, but then he produces. I mean, there are a number of players that I could have picked that are relatively weak, but it was between you and the upside down crew. Your one-liner garbage posts tipped me in your favor. | ||
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Who gives a crap that mafia kills me. Its caring about a wasted lynch down the road. The first day lynch is almost always up to chance because of a lack of information, but wasting a day 3 or 4 lynch on you after you've thrown down a bunch of mafia tells due to poor play is devastating and nets us quite a disadvantage. Normally in a game with clues it would be somewhat acceptable to let you run around saying stupid shit because I and others would be able to link or exonerate people using clues, but in a game like this you're just a liability.There's a reason I get killed by mafia early and you get yelled at by people who are confirmed townies. Its because despite not being 100% accurate (which I'd never claim to be), I also smoke out like 2-3 mafia per game. If you really had an issue with what I'm saying, I'd imagine you would drop the confrontational tone, because that's one of my criticisms, and I'd suggest that you actually deal with the issues I've brought up instead of trying to make this a war of egos. Do you honestly think you're going to drum up support for yourself by confirming all of the things I've said about you? Your posts still have no content other than defending yourself, and you're still causing fights, and you're still dropping mafia tells. I mean, I pretty clearly asked for another target earlier on. If you've got someone better, lets hear the case. If you want to reform yourself, do it. If you want to fight me and pretend your balls are made of a metal harder than mine, well you're shit out of luck. | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:34 Tricode wrote: One, mine was inactive people, such as those non speakers. (But I am now considering Redtooth cause of his bandwagon) Two, your words are equivalently or more useless then myself, so don't be talking. three, actual important issue have you brought up that actually contributes to the town? Slaying me is the crappiest suggestion. But you are right, I am getting to heated up with you and that is actually delaying any progress from both our sides. Also my defense points out if i you really feel like I am not mafia, then you should be looking for someone who you really believe does have potential in being mafia, instead of wasting the towns time with me. So with a little worthless things said here and there, I do have points that you should read. Though you seem to fail sometimes at doing that. See, lets deal with these: 1) pick someone. 2) no they aren't. I essentially am the reason for the last 4 pages of information we have. You attribute half the posts in the thread to me having balls. 3) killing terrible players isn't a bad suggestion. I also suggested when to determine who we vote for regarding the DT plan and also suggested we follow through with it. I have no idea if you're mafia or not, but at this point I'm not expecting anyone to be like "sup, day 1, no clues, lets out myself". The first vote is always a value added attempt. By talking about you I've seen who's come to your aid, who hasn't, who's posting, who isn't and how people are posting. There's quite a bit of information popping up, believe it or not. Information which we wouldn't have if i hadn't had the balls to actually suggest a person. And no, your posts have all been devoid of decent content, sorry. So, lets be cute here: Tricode, you want to be mayor, right? Pick someone. Not a 'group'. A person. Time to nut up or shut up. | ||
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Do you even want to be elected? | ||
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So yeah, give me someone else to lynch with a better rationale and I'm all for doing so, but until then I'm running on lynching tricode for stupid. Going by your definition, anyone who has been involved in this stupid argument with me and L, would fit your definition. Are you serious? You think getting people to pick sides and present two sides of something relatively clearcut is bad for the town? What ELSE were we going to talk about? We have a mayoral race with the majority of candidates trying to not really run, no clues, and nothing besides a DT issue we already solved. The only topic of conversation is who to kill and you're the only credible suggestion at this point. I told you a number of things you could do to not be the only credible suggestion but thusfar you seem to be just as defensive and belligerent. If you want to know who i'd kill with the mayoral lynch, it would be tricode. What we do for the DT lynch would be informed by the information we get from killing him. | ||
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On October 22 2009 12:08 Foolishness wrote: That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch. Was pretty obvious he's being a dumb townie like pretty much every other game he's been a dumb townie, but now we can't really examine people's reaction to the idea of killing him if we're going to admit it as the only option that fits his actions. But as a slight speedbump: there are zero inactive players in this game besides motbob as far as I can tell. | ||
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On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote: L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range? Clearly not, given the game's been going on less than a day and a bunch of very good players play quietly to focus on pms or to focus on not getting raped by mafia. If someone's talking, they're talking. Whether or not they're producing content or not depends on what they're saying: e.g. you were saying very little until I told you to shape your shit up. Now you're doing a bit better. | ||
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On October 22 2009 13:15 Tricode wrote: Actually i just started ignoring anything you really had to say about me. I would of shaped up when more seriousness came into play. Which I believe mostly came from incognito. Which is why you replied with vehemence and large posts. Sure. | ||
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On October 22 2009 18:13 Ace wrote: As for those of you thinking mafia usually just sit back and let shit happen - lol. That only works when the town is doing enough to kill themselves for you. Last time I was on the Mafia side I was actively planning out scenarios with Pyrr so we could stay a step ahead. Don't kill active, contributing players. Even if you think Tricode is worthless right now with no clues to go on killing actives will hurt even more at this point. Foolishness really is bad, and so is Shikyo based on that other game with JeeJee (lol). No one in their right mind would count the smurf game as credible to someone playing well since that entire game was a big cluster fuck of nonsense and half the people not even really trying. Sure, so pick someone else. Caller wants to kill pyrr, I'm killing tricode unless someone makes a good case for motbob or something, and that's pretty much the entirety of what people have decided on, lynch wise. Also: feel free to tell us who you're going to off if you get put in as mayor. | ||
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On October 22 2009 20:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't want to be caught in the shitstorm when the two major elected officials end up killing people that voted for the opposite party. Plus I don't want to be responsible for electing someone the town ends up upset about. I think all of the candidates are shitty, by the way. You realize that despite saying you don't want to get caught in the shitstorm, the fact that caller is going to kill pyrr puts you straight in the middle of said shitstorm, right? Pretty shaky reasoning here. | ||
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Okay, so generally our games end at day 5 or so. Normally our plans of action revolve around securing a piece of important information by day 2-3 in order to be able to check pieces of hard evidence and smoke out some mafia. Generally when that fails, someone tries some powerplay and we either win or lose dramatically based on that. In the current game, we have 21 players, 2 kp, 1 double lynch and 4 mafia. Assuming we play as terribly as possible, the game ends for all intents and purposes if we hit 1 accurately once by day 5: Day 1: 17(4) Night 1:16(4) Day 2: 14(4) Night 2: 13(4) Day 3: 11(4) Night 3: 10(4) Day 4: 8(4) Night 4: 7(4) Day 5: 5(4) *Night 5: 5(3) Day 6: 3(3) Obvious loss without double Night 5: 5(2) with double Day 6: 4(2) Night 6: 3(2) Day 7: 2(2) game ends again. Put simply, barring vets, medics and such, we need to hit someone properly on night 2-3 to have enough breathing room to win. DTs need 2 dissimilar checks in order to self-verify, which means they know with certainty as whatever they are by day 3-4. The problem with this is that it leaves us with very little time to actually capitalize on DTs. What this means, simply put, is that we need to be accurate with a hit on days 2-4 if we want a decent chance at winning. If we can hit 2 during that time period, the game will become very town favored. Because of that, we need people producing content from the get-go. We need to be able to pin a few people down early on. This also means that DTs might be better off disclosing a 50% chance hit than waiting an extra day if we're nearing the "gotta hit every lynch" point. In other news: sup scamp. | ||
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