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On December 16 2011 10:48 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:37 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:On December 16 2011 10:20 GiygaS wrote:
Has anyone realized that Graymist is targetted by people under suspicion right now, and all of them aren't with evidence?
TNTP went to Graymist with no evidence, and Risk has been tunneling him the entire game (or at least day 1). Can you quote that suspicion on me from before I was making a case on greymist? Also, are you saying that him being the only person to vote for all 3 of the bandwagon lynches, as well as constantly fishing around for anyone that other people will agree on doesn't seem somewhat scummy? Look at his lynch choices so far, mostly a bunch of largely useless lurkers that nobody would blame him for if they are mislynches. A lot of us were voting for MrZentor, he claimed blue, at that point in the game not a lot of us had a good idea of who to lynch, so I went with nisani. Partly because he doesnt normally lurk in the games i have played with him as town, but also because of the reasons i listed. Near the end of the day radfield/Profbadass found that contradiction of spaakle's which again convinced many of us to switch. So far your only case on me is that I am playing in a similar way as steamship. check steamship again. When i was scum there i obviously knew who was on my team and who wasnt, and i reflected that by never straying off my targets except for a few select times. this game I am unsure of who is scum, and am allowed to change my mind and vote.
You also didn't have to unvote to vote for someone else in that game ;-) Even assuming I am right about you being scum, there are 4 other scum to find, so I guess it's about time for me to start looking more into that. I'll be keeping my eye on you though, and as I said before, I would certainly appreciate it if others that have played with greymist before could weigh in on his play so far.
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On December 16 2011 10:38 Jitsu wrote:
@evantrees. Sure. It doesn't matter; I think you can spin it either way.
He uses his ability with a little under 2 Hours left to use it, than posts how he "thought he had two hours remaining to put votes in and has to make a hasty decision.
Regardless, I think it's funny how you came to his defense rather forcefully, no? Also, you seem pretty accurate with the timing on the ability. How did you know it was used roughly around 2 hours and 15 minutes, to the minute? Maybe a scum player said "Use that ability, there is only 15 minutes left" and it stuck in your mind?
you seemed to think it had been used on arc with less than 2 hours left to lynch,which was bugging me, and I came to someone's defense didn't notice. again was just bugged by this line being wrong
"had to have happened within two hours of the day ending."
I checked it while typing up this post which prompted the correction from kita. and I'm off a bit the withdrawal posted at 9:43.
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On December 16 2011 10:28 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:25 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 09:35 Jitsu wrote:On December 16 2011 09:19 nyczbrandon wrote:
Refallen looks more suspicous of the two, but both havent posted much I can use. I think they might both be town.
Refallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore.
TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason. What the hell kind of analysis is this? Your either not trying, or really like lurking. I was being rushed to leave because my parents arrived and I had to go home. I just looked at their fillers and didnt see much. I thought that Rafallen being 2 hours before voting might of been coincidental because of him going to finals, but you may be right since I did not analyze the time and that Arcotod had been forced out of the election around the same time. Now that you have more time, you can actually post some content with your suspicions. Go ahead, we're waiting with bated breath.
Like i said before, i think that they are both town and are not very suspicous. TNTP didn't do anything that appeared scummy to me, he didn't do much day 1 and stated that he has been playing HoN. I'm not sure what I can learn from his filter.
For Refallen, he is a little more suspicous than TNTP.
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On December 16 2011 09:24 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:12 Refallen wrote:
Oh wow, sorry I thought the day ends in 2 hours like in XLVIII, was trying to reread the thread. Will skim through and vote I guess.
And yes, why do you think I'm mafia rad? This caught my eye. He says something along the lines of "day ends in two hours." So, he comes into the game almost right after Arcto is forced out of the election to "Skim Read" over the thread again...I feel that the time he picked (two hours until deadline) and the fact that the 'Election Block' ability of whatever we assume is the mafia equiv. to District Attorney had to have happened within two hours of the day ending.
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On December 16 2011 09:52 Refallen wrote:
Jitsu, for the timing issue, look at where I live... I honestly just woke up. And my post timings are always around this timing because it's early morning over here.
The withdrawal from the election of Arctocod occured at 9:48. Around the time that Refallen says he wakes up. So it may certainly be a possibility that he is mafia scum rivaling the politician abilitites. Though I'm not sure if this is enough information.
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Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null.
In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do.
On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp.
He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible.
In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known.
I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum.
Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now.
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On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now.
you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at?
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On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at?
yea those
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On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those
I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker.
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On December 16 2011 11:35 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker.
This is it right here. From this post it is apparent that you know lurking is the wrong thing to do and that it hurts town. you also indicate that you have a choice in doing so or not. why is it then, that a town player would choose to lurk over being active and helping the town?
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That and you're only doing the bare minimum. "Yeah I'm doing that because someone told me to". :/
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On December 16 2011 11:42 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:35 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker. This is it right here. From this post it is apparent that you know lurking is the wrong thing to do and that it hurts town. you also indicate that you have a choice in doing so or not. why is it then, that a town player would choose to lurk over being active and helping the town?
People said that lynching lurkers is bad and more likely to hit a lurking townie and would rather lynch a poster despite not having much information about both. I don't know if that is just for day 1 specifically but I think that seems like a viable reason for a townie to lurk.
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On December 16 2011 11:47 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:42 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:35 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker. This is it right here. From this post it is apparent that you know lurking is the wrong thing to do and that it hurts town. you also indicate that you have a choice in doing so or not. why is it then, that a town player would choose to lurk over being active and helping the town? People said that lynching lurkers is bad and more likely to hit a lurking townie and would rather lynch a poster despite not having much information about both. I don't know if that is just for day 1 specifically but I think that seems like a viable reason for a townie to lurk.
Not really. I townie shouldn't be worried about being lynched, especially when no suspicions are even voiced against them.
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That's more reason for a mafia to lurk.
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Doing bare minimum makes me seem like scum?
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It's funny, because your logic, to me, is terribly flawed. Lynching lurkers *is* bad, because it wastes potential positive scummy players. You want to lurk so you can survive to day 2? Well, it's Day2. So post some analysis.
Maybe evantrees will come to your rescue.
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nyc, here's a homework assignment:
Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.
Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.
Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.
Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.
If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.
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On December 16 2011 11:50 Jitsu wrote:
It's funny, because your logic, to me, is terribly flawed. Lynching lurkers *is* bad, because it wastes potential positive scummy players. You want to lurk so you can survive to day 2? Well, it's Day2. So post some analysis.
Maybe evantrees will come to your rescue.
I haven't seen much to analyze so far and even if I do, many may have posted it already and would be deemed as useless. We still have time for day 2, around 48 hours. If i see something that catches my attention I will analyze it.
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On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:
Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.
Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.
Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.
Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.
If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.
okay sure
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EBWOP
us = them in the last statement - I included myself in the original post, but decided to instead do players he's either voiced suspicion of or defended, just forgot to change the us to them.
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I keep forgetting what games I playing lol, are we really just going double down on people we are sure are townies? Is Gigyas and arcotod OK with having their roles revealed? I don't know who they are, but I'm trusting rad on this one, since he's probably town. Whole election thing seems pretty distracting in the end, the lynch is what really matters.
May major beef is with refallen and eventrees. Putting alot of effort into who voted for who as mayor is very suspect, and making lists off it even more so. Most mayoral games I play in, mafia have a candidate and they try very hard not to push him, or they don't have one at all and their votes are so scattered that any list-watchers become detrimental to discussion. I suggest re-focusing attention to lynch lists, unless you can connect better dots.
On December 15 2011 13:48 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote:On December 15 2011 03:22 zeks wrote:
DTs please review the lists for Spaackle lynch and ProfessorBA election vote
The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? kind of doubt either list will be particularly helpful. given most of the ProfBA list is dead or GiygaS. ProfessorBadass (7): GreYMisT, xsksc, prplhz, GiygaS, -GiygaS, GiygaS, Eiii, Refallen, Radfield xsksc, prplh, Eiii dead that leaves ProfessorBadass (3): GreYMisT, Refallen, Radfield can't say I would be surprised if one of them was scum but have don't have any arguments for people being scum period yet and the Radfield list is a good bit longer. Radfield (12): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Spaackle, Comprissent, Eiii, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, -Eiii Spaackle, lynched Radfield (11): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Comprissent, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, and the others. DEUS-ex-MAFIA (1): TotallyNotTwoPeople TotallyNotTwoPeople (1): evantrees prplhz (1): Arctocod Arctocod (2); MrZentor ,nyczbrandon (the annoying one to get)
This kinda talk draws scum like magnets. I only see dead blues, and that will never tell anything about the candidates or the other people in the list. Refallen much more so then evantrees as he is provoking a lot more time from others ton the matter. I'll be looking into those two and possibly others I see who manage to scrap by with these lame posts.
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I had to read through his posts twice before I found anything worth even mentioning. Also, I'm having a hard time discerning what he's voting people for - as his reasoning is almost universally nil…so I had to go back and look at the posts in context to find out what he's talking about a lot of the time. Also, there's a distinct lack of trying to find scum, so don't even try to look for it.
Here though he claims he'll look at zeks and GreYMisT. Doesn't.
Does, however, claim to vote for my slot. For funsies.
RNG's his election vote…that's not only bad for town, but simultaneously makes him absolutely free of accountability for his choice!
WUT? Honestly, I'm not sure what this post is supposed to be saying. At the time, there was a vote-switch in the works. My slot was being voted by a lot of people and Rad (I think) came in and said that someone else should be lynched instead. Not sure why, but my guess is the whole 'don't lynch lurkers'…also my slot didn't vote, so maybe he was hoping for a better replacement. AT any rate, I don't know what evan is commenting on in this post, but resolves to look at Spaackles.
This post…this post is something. He defends his RNG for Pardoner by saying 'I didn't start that'…I think. Also, defends his choice of Nisani as a lynch by saying 'Palmogism told me to'…which isn't the worst reason in the world (for fun, arguably, is). And defends his decision to not defend himself because "we had a bigger problem".
PAUSE
I'm assuming the "bigger problem" was Arctocod being removed from the electoral race. Why would that be a problem for him?
1) he wasn't voting for Arctocod,
2) he didn't care who won (lolRNGlol), and
3) he wasn't talking about it at all. So why would that be a valid excuse to not defend the accusations against him?
RESUME
He then goes on to say 'for goodness sakes, don't waste a check on me' qualifying it with 'at least use it on someone who might cause town a problem if they were scum'.
Really? REALLY?
1) No one was even talking about checks that I can see,
2) You're not contributing, so how are we supposed to gauge your alignment?
3) 'for goodness sakes'…like it would be some kind of huge mistake.
4) any scum are a problem, you included. If you're scum, we need to know because you're going to cause a problem. Saying DTs should check someone else because you're a 'weak player' is…weak bro.
Verdict: leaning Scum
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