EPTRefallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore.
TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason.
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nyczbrandon
United States124 Posts
Refallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore. TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 12 2011 19:56 Cwave wrote: Checking in and looking forward to a good game! ![[image loading]](http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/26.jpg) I'm running for mayor. Im still relative new to the TL mafia games but not to online mafia games in general. I post what i think and don't mind taking a leap of faith to get things done. Also, I mistrust anyone by default and have a healthy hatred towards mafiagame-veterans onelining the thread into poop. I will listen to good argumentation and will execute what the majority wants when they make sense and ignore when it's all clear jibberish. Voting for me gives you an active and open minded mayor, not tainted and bitter by previous TL games and above all, a scumhunter who will not stop once he has smelled a red. Cwave I bolded the relevant part in red. However I am not sure yet if it's really a scumtell. I thought about the setup in general and about the possibility that Rad/palmogism/curu/prplhz and I are town. (probably greymist and VE, too)... On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote: Voting Radfield + Arc Nothing scummy about their posts so far - although as they are vets its unlikely they'll have any slips this early if they were scum. On December 13 2011 06:02 zeks wrote: As good as the vets have proven to be in past games don't just trust them for the sake of their names; look at how they are playing this game. Don't give them (too) much credit On December 14 2011 11:25 risk.nuke wrote: It was a response to radfield. I'm reffering to that badass seemed pretty okey with lynching Nisani or Zentor. Unrelated I am pissed of because nobody listens to me for shit when I say don't lynch Nisani or Zentor but the when someone of the veteran names pop up and say it you're all mesmerized. And surprsingly to me I'm just slightly mad over the me beeing ignored part but more angry at the town for beeing useless and just heed the veterans instead of thinking for themselves. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
I think Comprissent is mafia. For this reason, I will post my previous case on him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=23#460 In addition, I feel that he ***STILL*** hasn't contributed anything except tagging on posts at the end of things and filler posts here and there. Now, between TNTP and Refallen. I was looking through Refallen's posts, and something hit me. On December 14 2011 12:00 Refallen wrote: O ractually, nevermind, 5 pages updated since I last posted or something. Seems like everyone wants to stay on the spaackle wagon to get a lynch so I'm willing to do that as well. Obvious bandwagon is obvious. Doesn't help his case. On December 14 2011 11:12 Refallen wrote: Oh wow, sorry I thought the day ends in 2 hours like in XLVIII, was trying to reread the thread. Will skim through and vote I guess. And yes, why do you think I'm mafia rad? This caught my eye. He says something along the lines of "day ends in two hours." So, he comes into the game almost right after Arcto is forced out of the election to "Skim Read" over the thread again...I feel that the time he picked (two hours until deadline) and the fact that the 'Election Block' ability of whatever we assume is the mafia equiv. to District Attorney had to have happened within two hours of the day ending. Note: He also seems to have to "speed read" to catch up on alot of things, yet is always present when his name is called into question. So I would say Comprissent and Refallen. Five Players to Save: Arctocod, GiygaS, Radfield, Zentor, and ProfBA. Reasoning: GiygaS, Zentor are pretty much confirmed town. Arctocod, in my eyes, is leaning extremely town. I feel you are in this same section, Radfield. ProfBA because we voted him in as pardoner, and I feel that if he was mafia, you and Arcto would be able to catch him near the end, and we voted him into Pardoner for a reason. Since he is unable to pardon himself, if you 5 were remaining, I think it would end in the towns favor. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:17 Radfield wrote: Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion. Hmm, I seem to recall seeing some ideas for posts/posts made in quicktopics before posting them in the thread from past games I have read through, and I have certainly seen some coaching of newbies in them. Regardless, this part still stands: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? Unless Greymist believes nycz decided to use that strategy on his own and then decided to ask: How many reds are in this game btw? on his own as well. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: "fickle due to him playing in two games"....what does this mean? And could you comment on the inconsistencies that GiygaS pointed out between how you played in Steamship Liquidia where you were town-aligned and your play this game? Your cooperation would be appreciated. What I mean by fickle I mean inconsistant. I think you have the potential to analyze and think and post. I also know you think you can be lazy which I think you were went you went after me, some of the things you have said like, "I was going to do that, let me know what you find out sounds lazy." I played very differently in Steamship. If you want a reason I would guess moodswings. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I bolded the relevant part in red. However I am not sure yet if it's really a scumtell. I thought about the setup in general and about the possibility that Rad/palmogism/curu/prplhz and I are town. (probably greymist and VE, too)... | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
Radfield? Curu? Palmar/Syllogism? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:19 nyczbrandon wrote: Refallen looks more suspicous of the two, but both havent posted much I can use. I think they might both be town. Refallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore. TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason. What the hell kind of analysis is this? Your either not trying, or really like lurking. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:24 Jitsu wrote: Arctocod, in my eyes, is leaning extremely town. I feel you are in this same section, Radfield. ProfBA because we voted him in as pardoner, and I feel that if he was mafia, you and Arcto would be able to catch him near the end, and we voted him into Pardoner for a reason. Since he is unable to pardon himself, if you 5 were remaining, I think it would end in the towns favor. I'm not quite in the same section as Arctocod just yet, or at least I shouldn't be. I need a couple notches on my belt first. Me and Arcto will not be around to catch ProfBA in the end. We will be almost certainly dead, unless mafia does not get wise real quick. That means if he is mafia we need to catch him within the next two cycles, or else the townies in the endgame will have to do it on their own. If there are question marks around ProfBA then you want to leave him hanging where mafia can get to him, and make sure not to give him an excuse to still be alive Day 4 or Day 5. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? I dont think that the scumteam always has that kind of control in games, he might have been told to play the newbie card, but that is something i have seen both town and scum do, though scum more. His posting, as i said earlier, has not served to benifit the town in any way. when i see newbie towns, they usally react to things that dont make sense and at least try to be helpful, he does not seem this way atm. I apoloigize for answering slowly, a ton of stuff is coming up that i have to help deal with, I will try to answer as best i can though. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:30 risk.nuke wrote: What I mean by fickle I mean inconsistant. I think you have the potential to analyze and think and post. I also know you think you can be lazy which I think you were went you went after me, some of the things you have said like, "I was going to do that, let me know what you find out sounds lazy." I played very differently in Steamship. If you want a reason I would guess moodswings. Why is going after you 'being lazy' exactly? I pointed out exactly what I thought was scummy, said why I thought it was scummy. And I guess you're selectively reading, because I asked Palmogism who they wanted me to look into and I was balls-deep in that when GiygaS cited interest in looking into your meta, which was on my to-do list so I approved his action - again, in what way is this lazy? If anything, it shows how lazy YOU are for not reading the thread. So 'moodswings' is the reason that in SL you played a decent town game (and were aligned with town) and you're playing like scummy balls this game? Mmmmmkay. As I said before, I'm not coming after you today because the vets think you're probably town and I won't get support for your lynch while that's the general consensus among the vets. But watch your ass man, if you start slippin' and the vets change their opinions, I'm comin' for ya. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:16 Radfield wrote: hahaha ... ... ... ...anyhoo... what do you think of zeks Greymist? At the moment im pretty null on him, Although he was pushing hard for MrZentor (who we now know is most likely town), a lot of us were also so that doesnt really say much. I will reread his filter with what we know now after a cycle. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:31 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2011 09:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I bolded the relevant part in red. However I am not sure yet if it's really a scumtell. I thought about the setup in general and about the possibility that Rad/palmogism/curu/prplhz and I are town. (probably greymist and VE, too)... 1. I hate people who ask something and disappear directly after that. 2. I filtered you guys and you did nothing this game. No real opinion given on anything axcept risk, greymist and zentor. These players have been discussed several times and nearly everyone gave an opinion. And you only repeated thing that have already been said. I think you're the scumhydra among us hydras. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
Also, I am getting suspicious of Sheth. + Show Spoiler + First off, I know this is nothing conclusive, but I'm really suprised Arcto / Rad ./ ProfBA the veterans didn't come up with this. So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do. It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them. If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot. This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely. After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot. As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill. This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante. I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet. Especially this post here. He makes a really convoluted case on Giygas here, a pretty much confirmed townie, and was pushing him several posts before that too. This was really weird to me, because Sheth seems to be from his previous postings a pretty logical player, so I find it suspicious he's trying to concoct a case on Giygas. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that. I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:56 risk.nuke wrote: What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that. I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you. risk, what do you think about totallynottwopeople? I really would like to hear your opinion. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I read Sheth's case as more townie paranoia than a scummy attempt to sow distrust and confusion. Your mileage may vary. That might very well be true, as a mafia wouldn't probably try to push the confirmed townie and instead try to get someone more suspicious; good point, I forgot about that. | ||
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