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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
Curu has a very high chance of flipping scum and hitting scum today will lower scum kp. He hasn't been particularly useful and doesn't appear like he has much interest in the game. You say he has the potential to be useful, but there is little indication that he intends to be and it's because he is red. Annul is probably a good town player and should have been lynched on day 2 in XLVIII, agreed? Sandroba was obvious scum in that game as well and could easily have been lynched on day 2. | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
If not, then it's kind of strange that you flat out refuse an idea we've been working on for a long time without giving it considerable attention, If you think we're town, you know we're not suggesting lynching Curu/Errandor for fun. I'm trying to understand your motivation for doing thi. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
I don't doubt that at all. I just think it's not 100% proven that he's scum. I think there is the possibility that he's town. And therefor I'd like to discuss the possibility to give him a second chance... | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
omg this case of yours was the best case I ever read here so far. It was so obvious... | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
I want to have radfield in our boat and I want every other townie to vote curu asap and continue to discuss who else could be scum. My concerns as you can read above are only the following: I am afraid that if we start to lynch veteranplayers now, this discussion consumes EVERY other discussion in this thread, curu will probably spam up this thread and we lost the bonus 24 hours thing... | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On December 16 2011 20:57 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: And I want to survive until day3. I want to be this secretary of defens. GigayS is a poor choice. Rofl, screw you scum | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
Think before you post. Fool. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On December 16 2011 21:21 Palmar wrote: I'm beautiful in my way 'Cause God makes no mistakes I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way Don't hide yourself in regret Just love yourself and you're set I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way, born this way | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote: Ok here are my top three at the moment 1, nyczbrandon: Filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684 Notice in his posts how nothing constructive happens, almost everything is asking a question. He is very passive follows the majority for most of the day. He is also very careful to not take a stance on anything really, and only backs up other people, or makes side comments. at the moment I am much less sure on the ones below, have to keep reading. 2.Evantress http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429 Does a better job of trying to appear town than nycz, but most of his posts are empty, consider the following 2: Both of these really have no need to get posted, the second one in particular is just a list of the people who voted for who, something we all can get accsess to. Also he showed a lack of caring who got into office/the lynch day 1. executing a RNG on both initally, and after being told not to still showed some minor apathy for it. When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something. 3. Cascades http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=53202 this post in particular turns me on: he said that this is a post both town and scum radfield can make...yes those are the 2 aleingments in the game. The goal of this post while reading it from a mafia perspective seem to be to seed distrust against rad, while preparing for the Arc withdrawl later. Oh, so you know for a fact there are only 2 alignments in the game? No third parties? I wonder how you came by that information. Two people can play this game. No seriously, how would you have wanted me to phrase that? Seed distrust? I'm saying it is a null read. In so far that I am warning people not to trust Radfield 100%... Yes, I suppose you can twist it to me seeding distrust. Indeed we should trust Radfield he is 100% townie after all. You KNOW. Sorry for being skeptical and trying to be helpful informing town. I think far more mafia-ish would be to not make the post in fear that "This post would look scummy" to scumhunters. Far more mafia-ish would be the fact that people let the impression that "Radfield is a townie from this post" stand uncorrected. You want mafia perspective? I give you mafia perspective. So is my mafia perspective right or your mafia perspective right. Good grief. This post srikes me as fishy as well, He says if he could repeat last night he would lynch spaakles again. wtf? the only purpose this serves to say is to try to defend your actions by appealing to the sense that you are a towine out crusading against what is wrong and illogical in the world. I see no town motive for this post as well. Those are my scum reads atm radfield, and i would like to see more posts out of them as they have been rather absenst this cycle. Good scumhunting by cherrypicking parts of my post. Read my entire post. Am I defending my actions and the lynch? Certainly, that's the POINT. That paragraph you picked out serves to reinforce my previous argument. People were asking for explanations. People were pointing fingers for the lynch. They bought up the list of people and threw accusations from there. Hell, my name was not even on there as I was late. Why did I bother? Because I believe this line of questioning is not useful by itself. Because I want to show that I believe the lynch was the right one at the time, and by extension, there is no need to criticize people on the bandwagon. I am communicating that the purpose of lynching is to find scum, and spaackles was our best, but flawed lead. Town must not be afraid of making "mistakes". Even if we fail to lynch right, we still obtain information. All of this talk on mafia motives make me weary. Don't think I didn't know that people can and are being given town reads because of said argument: "why would a mafia post something dumb like this, hence this post doesn't seem like it could have been by a mafia". I could have more easily gotten townie status by making some garbage posts, but I would rather win people over by the logic of my arguments. Anyhow, I suppose I could have constructed the argument better. I appreciate your effort, but please go read my posts in the context I made them next time. Your scum reads? Hey now, these are the people Arc said to analyze. This is what I have telling you guys all along. Vets say something and people just parrot them. The possibility that there is mafia among them is high. Don't just accept whatever they say. Don't blindly trust them. Question them. Spaackles may still be alive if Arc had explained why he feels townie instead of just a simple "He's town" that no one paid much attention to. Here's my thoughts on the vets. I feel focusing on the vets is crucial and more productive. If a vet says something that is illogical, he's most likely scum. If a townie says something that is illogical, you can't really tell if he is scum or he just doesn't know better. Anyhow, the vets have been just questioning people hoping to find a slip/"slip" and refusing to give out their own thoughts in detail. I will be very suspicious if any of them do not come up with cases at all. Radfield: Has been active and has good content in posts, being helpful. Based on posts alone, I think he is most likely of all the vets to be townie. Arc: Very good activity. Has to elaborate and give reasoning for most posts though. "Cos I say so" doesn't cut it. Deus: He used to post simple one-liners. That doesn't help us much. He has put in more effort in his posts since then though. ProfBad: Bursts of activity. While he was here, he was active in helping find scum. Needs to be more involved though so that we can get something done. Dropbear/bumatlarge: Bad activity. Only came out to respond when accused. That would be really suspicious if it wasn't for the fact he got replaced, so there's somewhat a reason for that activity. Neverthless, I will be watching his replacement closely. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
btw i dont need to write huge posts if everything i want to say fits in a small one aswell. + it's easier to read (atleast thats my opinion) | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
(And also didn't we establish that giygas should be surgeon and arc to be SoD?) | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
MarserBlood, do you want to lynch Curu? Comprissant, where have you been? Cwave, Why are Deus + Arcto both agree'ing Curu is scum really? Like whats behind the obvious? TNTP, What makes you any different in the argument Arcto + Deus are making about Curu? Risk.Nuke, as of now who would you vote off? BumatLarge, Please go over some of the past info and post what you think about it. Or this info, who would you kill if you had to now? Jitsu, Who do you want in office tonight? Cascades, I'm running out of questions, answer some of the above ones. Also, Arcto I disagree with you in being sure mafia won't remove you from running again. Arcto you seem sure that they can use the ability to remove a candidate again. I don't know if its far fetched that maybe they can use it each cycle even. Are you against finding a third candidate now while we aren't rushed, while you aren't sleeping and get it ready before 2hours or so before the end? Finding a third should be standard procedure now I think. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
I like what you are doing there, though the focus should be completely on the lynch as it's pretty much impossible for scum to disagree with us being elected. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
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