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On December 17 2011 03:25 risk.nuke wrote:I was going to do the analysises requested of me last night now but more interesting stuff is going on so they will have to wait. The more interesting stuff:I've had a bad feeling about the professor ever since Arctocod got withdrawn and he was elected. If we keep assuming it was a scum abillity they probably have a limited number of uses, I guess 1 max 2. They wouldn't had wasted this abillity which means they have an agenda. The professor was the one who got elected instead, there wasn't any question about that he would be elected. The only logical reasoning is the mafia knew this. Which leaves us here. Either the mafia elected the professor because the professor is scum. Or they elected the professor to make us come to the conclusion that he is scum. These are the only two logical reasoning. Personally I think the first one is the likeliest but that isn't the only reason. If the professor is scum he can hurt town. He knows he is heavily suspiscious and if we don't lynch him today we will likely lynch him soon unless he starts busing. If we choose to lynch someone else and by luck hits a mafia. The professor can pardon him giving them an extra night. I approve with lynching The Professor today. Still want greymist dead.
Oh you
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Vatican City State258 Posts
Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople.
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On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople.
I hope I'm not the only one that sees that you are directing all conversation. When I get home(on phone) ,I'm gonna look atthe filters of two people, and post what I find.
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@risk any pardoner would know better than to pardon anyone at this point as the consequences are auto lynch
i'm all for a profBA lynch i've been at him since arc got outed as pardoner
however i would like to see how far this wagon will go when it comes down to crunch time (1-2 hours before the lynch) before i place my vote
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lol I was going to try to read the thread but I see this bullshit is still here.
You know what, yeah lynch me. I'm not bothering to repeat myself. When the whole case against me is because my hydra buddy isn't posting I'd rather not play with that kind of Town.
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Vatican City State258 Posts
Curu, don't play the frustrated townie. I don't buy this story. I don't need to tell you how to defend yourself in this situation right now. Find scum and you'll live.
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No I'm done. I really don't care. I'm not posting anything anymore either way so just kill me and get it over with.
I'm pulling a Palmar.
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That's not the whole case, but I can see how that would upset you. The case that is required to convince everyone else, and not just us, will come. Feel free to argue against it.
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On December 17 2011 04:08 Curu wrote:
No I'm done. I really don't care. I'm not posting anything anymore either way so just kill me and get it over with.
I'm pulling a Palmar.
LOL
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On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople.
I'd like to hear your opinions on zeks and TntP as well while we are at it.
I already mentioned what i thought of zeks earlier, but came to the conclusion that he was pretty null in my eyes for the time being. at the moment TntP is not the scummiest candidate out there, but there are a few iffy things he has done, such as publicly announcing that he is letting his friend decide all the votes, which would absolve them of responsibility (thats just another way of playing the newbie card to get out of things). Regardless, the way he is pressuring me seems quite genuine, and the result is that I think there are more important targets out there for us to chase. To humor you though I will read all there stuff in depth when i get the time.
I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?
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And wow curu really? not going to even try to defend yourself when you have only just started to garner suspicion?
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Vatican City State258 Posts
No you're not pulling a palmar. I hate this attitude. It's your fault that you're in this situation right now. I want you to fight until the last second. Go find someone else. You have roughly 30 hour left. If you're town, you could contribute to a townwin even if we lynch you.
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lol if you think I am scum because Erandorr never posted then nothing I say is going to change anything anyways. What do you want me to defend myself with? Erandorr's not my wife?
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Vatican City State258 Posts
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Pulling a palmar should get you on the banlist imo. We can't have a system where you threaten to ragequit to gain towncred. If you do that Curu I will strongly push for a ban.
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Did you just silently vote yourself?
You dishonor the name of professor badass!
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@Deus I don't believe ProfBad is scummy as yet. Suspicious yes. The way events have happened, this is obvious. Activity levels fishy and suboptimal yes. So far I haven't seen any good enough arguments, so I'm going to withhold my vote. I don't care about Arc's confidence, I want to see his case. Else if ProfBad turns up town, he can just go "Oops sorry I was wrong" and we would be none the wiser.
You can see right now why I was against a Profbadasslynch: Every other discussion stopped and Palmogism stops every other discussion about alternative lynchcandidates because they won't share their reads.
They may be good at diverting between town and scum, but they obviously don't see the game as a whole. I am afraid we'll lose this if Curu flips town.
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Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
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Is this a trap? Why the contradiction? Nevertheless I will bite. Yes we will absolutely lose the game if ProfBad turns up town. I explained above.This sheeping has got to stop. We MUST see the case.
I will just leave this here so that I don't have to reply to the "mafia just want to get ProfBad as pardoner" line of thought. It is long so no one bothered to read it, but I don't want to hear the simplistic reasoning ever again before you refute my points.
On December 15 2011 04:04 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:31 Radfield wrote:On December 14 2011 12:24 zeks wrote:
Switching through 3~ish candidates in the last minutes is pretty bad Radfield
Hope it doesnt come to this tomorrow. Yep, that seems to be my style these days  Day 1 is not my strong suit, but I can guarantee I will do better Day 2 I have plenty of time over the next few days. If I was scum, I would doublestack Arctocod tonight. I highly recommend all medics cover them, it leaves mafia free to snipe other players, but I think that is an OK trade-off. There is a chance that Arctocod removed themselves in order to buy town credit. I find this highly unlikely: 1. If Arctocod was scum, they would have removed me from office, as I am far more likely to find them out than any other player. 2. That would be a substantial waste of a very important role. We don't know what elections will be in the future, and some may be very beneficial for mafia to get. Using it now to buy a little town cred is a waste. 3. Mafia wants the elected roles filled with mafia. If they used the ability on themselves it simply allows a chance for a different townie to get elected. Originally I was 90% sure Arc was confirmed town. This post got me thinking a bit harder. Radfield's reasoning has a few holes imo. Pt 1: If they removed Radfield from office, what does it do but put place Radfield in the same position Arc is, a virtually confirmed townie? This would be the worst move scum Arc can do. Pt 2: Buying a little town cred? The evidence in the thread shouts otherwise. Arc is being treated as a virtually confirmed townie. No one is questioning. In fact, Radfield is the only one who even raised some late suspicions. People are trusting and sending Arc stuff like Jistu/Giygas. Arc has picked up on this and started acting with the authority of a confirmed townie with posts like this: Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:30 Arctocod wrote:On December 14 2011 22:19 xsksc wrote:
so I went with the person I believed to be scummier in this game. now on, you just do whatever we tell you to do. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:41 Arctocod wrote:
prplhz, even in the very unlikely chance he's scum, he's at least devoted himself this game to protect me and syllo and agree with us a ton, so in the tiny, tiny chance he's scum, he cannot do any damage because he's forced to agree with us. Isn't the mayor/pardoner role supposed to protect vets from being killed instead of whoever agrees with you? Just because prplhz has agreed with Arc so far, doesn't mean prplhz will and must do so in the future on all issues. There is a call for all medics to be put on Arc. So now all our medics are being tied up. That's a huge concrete benefit. And the issue is it is THE perfectly logical outcome when I think about it. If Arc is truly town, we cannot risk Mafia doublestacking on him. There isn't any other options for our medics. Pt 3: The elected roles today are valuable for being unkillable. Mafia doesn't need to fear being night killed as much. In any case, Arc will enjoy the safety net of medics. While he loses an office today, he will be elected for the best offices in the future. Is there any doubt Arc is going to get his pick of offices tomorrow, that could actually prove more useful? Furthermore, as can be seen from thread itself, it confirms them and simultaneously places suspicion on the townie that is elected. In fact, town conversation can be directed towards said townie and away from other matters. Arc has let slip that he doesn't think too highly of the townies present, so a powerplay like this suddenly seems more plausible. That's all I have the energy for now, I will be back later. P.S Formatting is shit work zzz.
I will wait for ProfBad to defend himself before making final judgement.
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Vatican City State258 Posts
okay. lol whatever. I knew it. This day is ruined. If curu flips town I'll be so mad. curu and palmar you're both too stubborn. This case against you, curu, is not only about erandorrs afkness and you know that. Palmar on the other hand kills with this method the whole town atmosphere. I wish radfield was here -,-
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Hi again folks
@Sheth, I haven't been posting much recently since I don't feel like I have enough background to contribute anything to the discussion. I really, really dislike playing with hydras (especially ones that keep referencing previous game behavior and using it as basis for building a case on eachother. If I had it my way, I would insist spirit of the game dictates players only use info/playstyle from the current game). This bullshit just confuses me more than anything to add much, and with everybody not referencing them by their hydra names it doesn't help me at all.
I have been attempting to analyze the target who were hit last night. Xsksc, prplhz, and (assuming he is telling the truth,) Arcotod. So far, there is so little in common I really can't tie anything together, which initially made me conclude that the mafia are either brilliant in picking their targets, or are just random-firing at anything not red.
Xsksc had the least activity so I picked him first to look up on to see why mafia would want to go for him.
Here, he says he would lynch profBA on a hunch (just intuition)
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2011 21:32 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:20 Radfield wrote:On December 13 2011 21:19 xsksc wrote:On December 13 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:On December 13 2011 20:45 DropBear wrote:
- I want to hear more from xsksc. He was extremely active in Steamship and Newbie Mafia, he has all of three posts here.
I agree with this. xsksc's play is very different so far previous games I have seen him in. He's around but not contributing. Sure. I'm here, I just don't know what to discuss right now. My election vote's already decided. I don't really have any reads right now as it's so early. What would you guys like me to talk about? If you had to lynch someone right now who would you lynch? If zeks, jitsu, gigyas, dropbear and MrZentor were all getting lynched today, and you could pardon as many of them as you wanted, which ones would you pardon? If I had to lynch someone right now on a hunch I would lynch Prof Badass. If I had to pardon one of the above, I'd probably pardon Dropbear. His filter looks the most pro-town at the moment, more so than the others at least. Obviously this is just vibes and feelings at the moment, I don't have anything solid to go on yet.
This really doesn't tell me anything as he isn't even sure of his own reasoning
Later on he points out Marserblood's poor attempts to get in on 'safe' picks
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 09:13 xsksc wrote:Sheth's filter reads enthusiastic townie to me, I don't see much of a case on him. I'd prefer to lynch someone like this guy: Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:40 MarserBlood wrote:
Since I don't know if I get back online before the deadline, I'll vote for MrZentor, because he made that strange post that felt scummy to me and I don't have any other persons that I found obvious scum.
Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:02 MarserBlood wrote:
Ill be voting for Radfield also. Since he is an experienced player and because of the reasons others say.
These are terrible justifications for voting. MarserBlood looks like scum trying to fit in and get on the safest lynch possible.
Later on he re-quotes himself and asks why nobody has picked up on his case. Might be a free reason to mafia to hit him with minimal suspicion, but this is unlikely imo.
He then pressures risk.nuke into making a case on Greymist here:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 12:02 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:00 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 11:56 xsksc wrote:On December 14 2011 11:54 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 11:51 risk.nuke wrote:
How about we go with greymist based on the fact that even thoguh his name have come up multiple times not a single one supports the idea to the slightest. If we assume mafia won't influence to get one of their scumbuddies lynched that makes him an as good as and better candidate then anyone else. And if I'm wrong all my towncred is gone and you can try to lynch me tomorrow. my name has only come up multiple times only by you, and even though i have asked for your actual reasoning like 4 times, you always ignore it. If you wanted us to lynch Grey, Risk, why not make a strong case on him? You're so sure of him being scum, but I haven't seen anything scummy about his play thus far. I know you're capable of making a good case, I've seen you do it before, why not now? It's much harder then it looks to make a strong case day 1. The example that was brought up before. I suspected Toad and Ciryandor to be scum. My gut told me Ciryandor (who was scum) but I could build a good case on Toad who then turned up to be town. Altough in my defense he kept playing scummy and half the observer QT was convinced he was scum. That's fair enough if you only feel someone is suspicious day 1, but you seem almost adamant that Greymist is scum. What reasons do you have for this? Why would you expect us to lynch him just because you say so?
So thus far i've been looking into Greymist/risk.nuke
All i keep getting is this 'WIFOM' crap and theory that I can't really prove
If mafia wants to hit risk, this post makes me believe they will think twice about hitting him
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 11:42 risk.nuke wrote:
No scum would ever play the way I am doing right now. Scum doesn't want to be the ones who takes action. So say I'm scum and I lynch greymist who then would be town. Next day I would have to fight for my life not to get lynched not to mention all my town cred would be gone. Tell me that is scumplay.
Suspicion would immediately fall on Greymist, but's that easily avoided by not hitting him.
I won't even try to start on prplhz/Arc now. I've found near all of their actions conflicting. Arc was suspicious of Badass at the start, prplhz believes badass is a poor lynch target. Arc then suspects dropbear's play, while prplhz wants Nisani and Refallen lynched. Arc then 'uses?' Gigya's gift to blow up Eiii, due to prplhz's reasoning. So confusing. Makes this scenario where mafia withhold a kp and just tell Arc to announce he's been hit seem more likely. But there's almost no chance of this actually being true. Motivation is a whole nother monster to consider
Most of this might just be stream of conscious, let me know what everyone's thoughts are.
I will try to post more later, i've got exam review today and then a league of legends lan tonight (where i have to stomp some school scrubs), so i'll do my best to be around.
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I'm not doing anything to gain Town cred, it's Friday, I'm free of exams till the 20th, I would gladly like to get lynched so I don't have to think about reading this thread for the weekend.
On December 16 2011 18:22 Arctocod wrote:
Pretty sure curu is scum; he thinks he can get away AGAIN with not posting now that day was extended, pretends he doesn't know why Erandorr isn't posting/caring when I know for almost a fact he does. Wanted to lynch risk on day 1 but when rad disagreed with him he quickly offered another alternative, despite sounding quite convinced that risk is scum. Note this is despite the fact that he claims to be suspicious of radfield. Erandorr wouldn't join a game and then not post... unless he rolled scum.
Should probably just lynch him today
Is what I am getting lynched for, which is a joke. I posted my complete thoughts during night and absolutely nothing came up additionally for me to discuss. At the time I went to sleep people were still talking about the election, cwave was posting something stupid, and Sheth had some super conspiracy theory.
Spaackle was my original lynch candidate. You know the one I was pushing most of day 1. Then risk.nuke showed up with his scummy crap and I wanted him instead but no one was willing to go there with me so I settled back on my original read.
As for Erandorr here you can have the entire conversation I've had with him since this game started:
+ Show Spoiler +[12/13/2011 10:54:07 PM] Charles Suo: erandorr
[12/13/2011 10:54:09 PM] Charles Suo: where the fuck are you
[12/13/2011 10:54:10 PM] Charles Suo: we got elected pardoner
[12/13/2011 10:54:30 PM] Charles Suo: no thanks to you!
[12/13/2011 10:54:54 PM] Adrian Bacher: its 5 am
[12/13/2011 10:55:03 PM] Adrian Bacher: i just woe up
[12/13/2011 10:55:04 PM] Adrian Bacher: stfu
[12/13/2011 10:55:12 PM] Charles Suo: no thanks
[12/13/2011 10:55:13 PM] Charles Suo: to you!
[12/13/2011 10:55:33 PM] Adrian Bacher: you are da man!
[12/13/2011 10:55:35 PM] Adrian Bacher: k?
[12/13/2011 10:56:04 PM] Charles Suo: damn straight
[12/13/2011 11:10:01 PM] Adrian Bacher: kk
[12/13/2011 11:10:06 PM] Adrian Bacher: i will start behaving then
[12/13/2011 11:10:22 PM] Adrian Bacher: tomorrow i will write an analysis fairly
[12/13/2011 11:10:23 PM] Adrian Bacher: early
[12/13/2011 11:10:29 PM] Adrian Bacher: cause im really good at that O.o
[12/13/2011 11:14:02 PM] Charles Suo: lol
[12/13/2011 11:14:04 PM] Charles Suo: have you even been reading the thread? on who?
[12/13/2011 11:14:14 PM] Adrian Bacher: dont know yet
[12/13/2011 11:17:08 PM] Charles Suo: dota?
[12/13/2011 11:17:15 PM] Adrian Bacher: uuuh
[12/13/2011 11:17:22 PM] Adrian Bacher: no
[12/13/2011 11:17:24 PM] Adrian Bacher: sry
[12/13/2011 11:17:27 PM] Adrian Bacher: too early
[12/13/2011 11:17:28 PM] Adrian Bacher: in an hour i would
[12/14/2011 3:13:29 PM] Adrian Bacher: you have to carry us in the mafia game
[12/14/2011 3:13:33 PM] Adrian Bacher: i will read up on it sometime
[12/14/2011 3:13:38 PM] Adrian Bacher: and give you something so you dont have to so much k?
[12/14/2011 3:16:25 PM] Adrian Bacher: huh yeah
[12/14/2011 3:16:36 PM] Adrian Bacher: i will write something big at some point and youll look over it
[12/14/2011 3:16:42 PM] Adrian Bacher: trust me thats the one thing im good at O.o
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