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Hassybaby
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EchelonTee
United States5241 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:26 Ange777 wrote: What's a gay-phone-session from AC???? ^ tons of us weren't in that game. What's differnece btwn mason and mason recruiter? I can't honestly believe that all of: Wiggles, Kita, MZ, VE, BH, WBG are ALL town. That would be like. OP. If I can't build a case on any of you, then I would support lynching one of Manason, G32, or Zealos, but I feel like going for a controversial lynch would yield bigger dividends. Higher risk, higher reward. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:30 Toadesstern wrote: I know, I thought the same but I'm not sure  Maybe there's some variations idk How many games (Outside Responsibility) have you heard of that include different variations of the same role? I mean, is it possible? Yeah...obviously anything is possible. Probable? Meh. MEH. I don't think so sir. I think Gambit is a fine choice...Bugs, don't get buyer's remorse. Gambit is a fine lynch. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: The most notable point of comparison is Game of Thrones. That was a much smaller game IIRC (at least I thought) From what I gather, cases against me consist of lurkyness and general uselessness, and while these points have been true so far this game, it doesn't stop me being town, albeit a bad one. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
On May 27 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Why VisceraEyes Should Be Elected Leader of Earth It's literally the last thing scum will expect. While my methods are questionable, my results are even more so. But one thing is for certain: I'm going to be active. I'm going to make activity take on a whole new meaning...and I'm not just talkin about spam...I'm talkin about CONTENT baby! Here's a diagram of the amount of content I intend to inject into this thread (e) intraveineously: ~"I'm gonna kill that sonofabitch VisceraEyes..." - Lady who has to try and destroy VE's content for scum More content than you know what to do with anyway...but with me as Leader of Earth, you won't have to worry about any of that! A vote for VE is a vote for Town Victory!!! Just gonna quote this for the lulz + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I only argue with Toad when I'm scum bro, I can safely and solomnly swear it. Here’s another thing which is gonna feature heavily in toad’s play, buddying: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll be voting ET presuming I cannot vote for myself. He and I are about on even keel as far as perceived clout go, and I'd say we're about on even keel as far as finding scum goes too. Now here’s where things will get interesting. We’ve got a nice little buddy snippet with ET, and then we’ve got a pressure on toad: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 00:35 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: EchelonTees I don't even care if we can vote for ourselves. *brofist* Blzing, join me in a concentrated effort in removing emotion from our game. I think the town as a whole wiill benefit regardless of our alignment. I'm not willing to call Toad scum for bravado just yet. I mean, the arguments are intriguing and I eagerly await his response, but I think Toad is scum a LOT when he's town. One thing I know for sure though is that Toad WILL scumslip if he's scum...it's just a matter of time. Experience has taught me well that the guy is GOING to tell us he's scum if he is, in fact, scum. And the best part? He'll do it even though I'm WARNING TOWN RIGHT NOW! Why? Because he thinks I'm full of shit when I tell him about it when we're scum together. So yeah, Toad is on the watchlist but I'm not willing to call him scum just yet. Being sure about lynching scum isn't a scumtell, I myself said in my first (second?) post that I'm confident I'll hit scum D1. *shrug* So let’s break this baby down. So toad has made his claim, the logical thing to do (and what occam’s razor tells us to do) is just to leave toad alone and wait and see what happens to him. But look at what VE does. Firstly he says he’s not willing to call toad scum, then he says that he thinks toad is scum a lot when he’s not, then he guarantees us all that toad will scum slip if he’s scum. What does this all mean? Well frankly not a lot which is the problem. The best strategy for dealing with toad was exactly what happened, just let him live and see what happens. Instead what VE is doing is subtly beginning to bring pressure on toad for no reason. This next post is some hilarious irony: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Who is even attacking Toad? Well I can name one person who’s attacked toad so far, if you want to see him VE just take a look in the mirror. Right next post: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!". Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day. I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here. ##FoS: Toadesstern If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". VE is just using scary sounding buzzwords in this post. He claims that toad is being “manipulative.” How? This is an unsubstantiated claim which people (myself included) really should have jumped on. VE basically got away with casting doubt on toad without giving any reasons. Then look at the last part. Given what toad claimed, there’s literally no reason not to just let him do his thing and see what happens, instead VE continues to pile on these little jabs, the overall effect of which is to get people to at least not trust toad. The next post is an interesting one: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa whoa...let's back up the truth train here. Now, from what I can tell I'm the only person who has even SAID they're suspicious of Toad or provided any reasoning for being so. Everyone else is either just disagreeing with the statements he's making or expressing disinterest in seeing him as Mayor. No one "forced" Toad to claim, and no one is "just throwing around pressure randomly". I gave reasoning for my suspicion and you come in here to defend Toad without giving him a chance to respond to my meager accusation? Again, no one "forced" Toad to claim - it's my belief that if he's town, he claimed to posture for the Leader position, which he's actually proving by being hard-line against actually being Vice-Leader. The fact that you're trying to push the notion that he was "forced" to claim raises some serious red flags for me about you sir. What gives? Firstly, defensive much? Secondly, VE has really not given decent reasons for his suspicions, he’s instead relied on subtle jabs aimed at discrediting toad’s trustworthiness and thus his electability. What this post serves to do is legitimize VE’s previous accusations against toad. He was able to get up and in righteous anger claim that “he had given reasons” for why he thought toad was suspicious. Never mind that these suspicions were ridiculous in the first place, VE has now managed to take his previous jabs and transform them into something stronger because no one called him out when he was originally making his little jabs. Now VE begins to break down in his arguments: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Also please be aware: this is exactly the same type of play that sandroba made in C9++ that Toadess cohosted. Sandroba flipped Mason because he's baus and the situation was relevant for that game...the situation is totally different here, because if I'm understanding Toad correctly, he CHOOSES who he masons with. This is huge because what if he chooses Mafia and he's town? Obviously the scum would go along with Toad's claim and "confirm" him, but imagine the implications. Toad is using the Mason mechanic, which actually WAS alignment-relevant in C9++, as a means to "confirm" him, not the other players. But that makes you put trust in who he masons with too, whether consciously or not, just by virtue of him being in contact with "modconfirmed Toad". This role is not one that I want in possession of any additional power. I do not want Toad to be Leader or Vice-Leader. The chance for manipulation is too great. So let’s go over what’s wrong with this. On the surface it’s yet another jab at toad. However if you read closely, he’s now left his previous argument that toad is lying about his claim aside, and is instead focusing on the negative side effects having mason toad elected as leader. So without warning, VE has completely thrown away his earlier line of attack on toad and is now coming at him from a different angle. That’s not the only thing wrong with this post. VE is blatantly fear mongering as he talks about the dangers of toad being manipulated by the mafia. Toad’s mason power doesn’t kick in until the next day (not rocket science, just how masons work), so the chance of scum manipulated who he lynches is nil. This post serves no purpose but to sling mud at toad. Similar to what VE’s been doing all game long, except without warning he’s suddenly accepted toad as a mason and is fear mongering with implausible scenarios. His next post continues this: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Because they could get you to do something stupid like lynch a townie or pardon a Mafia or something Toad. You're running on a platform of independence, right? That means you have to be held accountable for your actions, but here's the problem: if you're in contact with a really good Mafia player like Wiggles or Forumite (<3) who end up being mafia and they convince you to do something like pardon a lynch of a mafia, you can't like - backpedal and say "Well guys, really I was talked into it by XYZ" because the whole point of what you're saying is that you want to be held accountable yourself. So we lynch you and you're what, a Mason? So now what? No, I'd rather just not even take the chance. Next game bro. Remember those old concerns about how toad was lying about his mason role? Apparently VE doesn’t because this post is another round of toad bashing except now with the understanding that toad actually IS a mason. Irony alert: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: It doesn't matter - the point is I just don't want EXTRA power in Toad's hands as a result, that's all. I'm not "denouncing" Toad, I'm giving my opinion on the gamestate. Yes you ARE denouncing toad, do you not remember you FoS’d him back when you were all over him for lying about his claim. What VE is doing is simply taking the most expedient path of attack on toad. Whichever attack will gain the most traction is the one VE will use. We’re going to take a break from toad for the next couple of posts, our new subject is sinensis: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 14:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I move that whomever is elected seriously consider Sine for lynch today. Pushing the anti-town notion that townies can be more dangerous to town alive than dead alone is enough to make me think he's scum, but the fact that he backpedaled makes it even worse to me. He was running on the platform of "I'm going to lynch grush" based on the fact that he "ruined my last game". However, from my point of view, a policy lynch on another player based on a different game is tantamount to randomly lynching...which I'm staunchly against. Scum DO reveal themselves D1. But this was an unpopular notion, and he has now backpedaled to "Well obviously I only mean as a policy lynch...if a scummier candidate presents himself obviously I would lynch him. But this isn't what he said. He said "I'm going to lynch grush if elected" Right now Sine is my top suspect, and I think anyone who is elected should consider him for lynch. So for memories sake, here’s where we were in the game. Sinensis and I were in the middle of our spat about grush. I had not made any accusations yet but it was fairly clear that I was building a case against him. This post is a VERY easy one for scum to make. Sinensis looked horrible when I was questioning him and the case was basically readymade by the time VE got involved. If you don’t believe me, read that section of the thread, most of VE’s arguments come from stuff I had said regarding sinensis. With sinensis’s flip, it looks to me like VE was setting himself up for what looked like a very easy mislynch. Buddy buddy buddy + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 14:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Tell me a story about Kitaman MZ. Rather than copy VE’s story I’ll put in this post instead: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? First of all, it's possible that there are as few as zero third parties in the setup, so that being a sole motivation for his election vote seems at the very least non-optimal...but even if it were guaranteed that there's a Lyncher in the game, who the dicks cares? I mean, as far as I know the Lyncher's target could be scum right? I don't know much about third parties, but that seems feasible. My point is, this is the sole purpose of Kita's post endorsing "someone random". By that logic also, it seems Kitaman isn't concerned about electing a TOWNIE into the position, it seems his only inspiration is to "avoid electing the Lyncher". This is suspicious behavior from someone who should know better. Again...something I found odd was Kita's insistence that we end discussion on the topic of Toad being elected Vice Leader. First of all, if anything was distracting it was whether the role is useless or not. But that's not the point that Kitaman chose to end on...he wanted the discussion of who is Vice-Leader to be over, and he wanted the conclusion to be that Toad is elected. But he doesn't bring up a new topic of discussion or anything - just leaves it there. "Shut up guys!" This is suspicious behavior from someone who should know better. Kita was posting really dumb in the beginning of the game. I was suspicious as was a lot of the thread. Since then he’s cleaned up but at the time this is another very easy target for VE to dumb mud on. There’s also a pattern beginning to emerge here. Watch how VE accuses people, it’s very subtly with little jabs here and there. He doesn’t come out and strongly state “I think this person is scum” instead he’s more content with language like “most likely to flip” or “strongest read.” Phrases like this allow him to go back later when the targets flip town and say stuff like “oh well, I was pretty sure.” So not only is VE going after easy targets, he’s doing so in a noncommittal and scummy manner. Buddy buddy buddy: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 14:52 VisceraEyes wrote: YAY WE CAME TO THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSION INDEPENDENTLY! Watch out people, we got a huge jump coming up here: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I spelled it out myself. Okay, so I like Kita/Sinensis for scum so far...which is actually kinda disturbing, what do you think about 2 scum pretty much just claiming in thread like that? Seems too easy...but anyway there are lurkers to consider. What are the chances that ANY scum are among those who haven't posted yet? Yay! We finally have VE callig people scum. Let’s look at how he did it. In less than 5 posts for both of them he went from “suspicious” to “scum.” You don’t make that kinda jump without more evidence or proof to back up your suspicions. And again, look at his two candidates. Two very odd posters, again remember odd doesn’t equate to scummy, but to people not paying a lot of attention these two are comfortable suspects. Nobody would fault VE for finding them scummy. Safe. Scum play safe, townies have nothing to fear. I think one more post on toad is necessary so we can really see the extent of VE’s flip flop: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 15:37 VisceraEyes wrote: You're a gracious lord Kita. I'm not interested in electing a pardoner who could be convinced in PMs by some unsavory influence to affect a lynch I had a hand in voting for. Period. His mason claim made it really simple for me. Say Nope To Dope. And Toad. In the previous posts I’ve quoted, VE could maybe get away with saying that he was speaking of toad as the mason hypothetically. But there’s no ambiguity with this post. Instead of thinking toad is lying about his claim, his reason for not electing toad now is that he’s liable to be manipulated by the scum. What’s this? A defense of S&B?: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay after rereading SnB I've come to the conclusion that I don't think he should be lynched today. I'm reading pretty null on SnB after reading his posts. Are they overly diplomatic? Yes. Has he clearly thought about the game between the posts? Also yes. His support of ET is a friendly green checkmark to me too, so I just don't think he's the best candidate. What an interesting post, all the more so because VE has mentioned S&B not at all in his previous posts. And yet he’s more than willing to jump to his defense. I’m bringing this up for two reasons, one because some people find S&B suspicious, the other because defending S&B will become a theme with VE’s posts. Had I been paying attention yesterday this next post should have been the nail in VE’s coffin:+ Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote: How about C) Toad has claimed mason-who-talks-to-non-mod-confirmed-town-outside-the-thread and I don't want mason-who-talks-to-non-mod-confirmed-town-outside-the-thread in office. I want a townie in office, but not Toad...Toad is one of many many townies in the game Kita. He just blatantly admitted toad is townie but he’s not going to vote for him. I really don’t care about the excuse he gives, this is just anti-town. It just gets worse from there: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: You're free to go anytime my guy. I just have a couple of quick comments. First, the bolded statement. Again, you're subtly brushing against the fact that you think I'm scum. Just come out and say it, you don't have to be scared Kita. I'm not going to go apeshit and cry OMGUS, you just better have a good explanation for why me having a preference as to who gets what elected position makes me automatically scum when we get votes specifically to indicate our preference on the matter as a mechanic in the very game. Secondly, I'm not even jumping on you about who you put forth as a candidate. BH seemed shocked and MZ found it odd, but I knew where you were going with it. My question is why in the hell are you so fixated with protecting town from the Lyncher? Again, this was in my original case against you and you're failing to recognize it as a functional aspect of my argument. It's a possible role in the game sure, but do you know the full aspects of the role? Is it the Lyncher's target definitely a townie? And here's some food for thought: Toadesstern has very explicitly stated that he will NOT be using the pardoner power if elected. You know who that kinda sounds like? A lyncher. I mean yeah he claimed Mason and everything, but if you're so fixated on protecting us from the lyncher you'd risk putting someone like Toad who has very explicitly stated that he will "never use the power ever"? Thirdly, sleep well scummy prince. Look at this lol. Toad is now back to lying about his roleclaim. Wasn’t he “one of many townies” previously? And look at this, kita has been talking about the lyncher all game so guess what VE does, he calls toad the lyncher. Like I’ve said before, whichever attack is the most expedient is what VE will use. Buddy buddy buddy:+ Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 16:50 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this shit is gold are you getting all this? Next post requires no explanation, it’s just a defense of S&B:+ Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would SnB, as newish scum, want to call apologize to me, a player who hasn't expressed any kind of problem with his posts or paid him any attention, at the same time as he's apologizing to BH, a player he's gotten into an argument with in the thread? Here's why I ask. As scum, for me, it seems much easier to simply pacify the source of the attention rather than call further attention to myself by apologizing to another player who hasn't even commented on the offending posts. It seems...too careless, you know? I don't think he's a good lynch really. It's true that his content is lacking, but from what I can see he seems genuinely interested in what's best for town. Lol:+ Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: This is just one example of anti-town information to share with the class. In fact, this almost makes me disbelieve the claim. Toad wtf are you doing? Ok wait a second, in the last post you had gone back to not believing toad’s claim, then somewhere in between the two you started believing it but now you’re disbelieving it? And really VE this is kinda ridiculous. He just claimed HE CAN’T BE ROLEBLOCKED. There is literally no out for him if he can’t produce a mason buddy tomorrow. And yet somehow this information makes you… more suspicious of him? Again, I can understand initial reservations about toad just wanting to get elected to use the lyncher power. But there’s no reason to kill him when he can confirm himself. Rather than focus on one aspect of why mayor toad would be bad, VE had been all over the map, using every accusation he can throw at toad and contradicting himself dozens of times. So now we get to the next post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I get it...you don't want anyone besmirching your claim with false information or whatever the fuck...but imagine this scenario. Imagine you HADN'T broadcast that you're not roleblockable and scum have a roleblocker. What possible town motivation could you have for sharing the fact that you're not roleblockable with everyone? Hell, even people in PMs, why isn't that your most closely guarded secret? Wiggles, I'd like you to seriously SERIOUSLY consider lynching Toadesstern today...at the very least tell me what you think of the guy as completely and honestly as possible. I'm going to do the same right now. VE calls for the death of a guy who will be forced to prove his claim tomorrow. There’s literally no way for toad to not produce and if he doesn’t then he’s signed his own death warrant. There is no reason to kill him and yet that’s what VE wants. Also news flash, when VE says SERIOUSLY it’s an exaggeration: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: The lynch you thing was an exaggeration Toad, I want Sinensis dead...but your play is really confusing me this game. X( Gotta throw them easy accusations around: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I think Zealos looking bad too ET. In particular, he avoids talking about who he's suspicious of entirely...all game. Classic lurky scum MO. Kickass and chew bubblegum Again, this is just another baseless accusation but zealos’s name got mentioned so why not accuse him too. It’ll look like you’re giving reads when all you’re doing is just accusing people with no base. Wait guys, news flash, toad is a mason again: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I get that Wiggles, I was exaggerating - I was more angry at Toad preemptively if he actually is a Mason...like, if he is then scum will probably just kill him ya know? Because they can't RB him hoping to implicate him tomorrow, he could be confirmed town tomorrow...it's just all around silly Mason play. I really don’t have much to say at this point. VE is running out of steam on his toad accusations, now toad is just an all around “silly” mason… but hey! He’s a mason again. Buddy buddy budyy: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 11:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I just don't think that's going to be the case. We'll just start burning through replacements until they're all filled up with active players. *nodnod* BH, you're on JPG duty. I want 'em witty and I want 'em MSPainted. ET you're going to be the welcoming committee. I think individual greetings for each new player should suffice for now - we can increase the volume as needed. MZ, I want you on "scare replacements into activity" duty, because the last thing we need in here are inactives replacing inactives. Any questions? For his next trick VE will kill two birds with one stone:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I agree that Zealos looks real bad. Like, here's pretty much the one post he's made with actual content. This whole thing is total wish-wish-ness. His read on SnB, "fishy" but not enough to lynch. Like, this is the closest thing in this post to saying someone is "scummy" or "suspicious" and it does NOT say anything like that. His read on Sinensis is similarly non-telling. He said he'd like to kill him, but then proceeds to ask him a couple of questions. This is the only content post he's made. He can sling some mud AND defend S&B at the same time. Alright so this is taking waay longer than I thought. I’m on page 5 of a 9 page filter, I will summarize what else happens. VE continues to defend S&B and push for a zealos lynch. He calls for kita’s death but after I back off he backs off as well. He then drops his zealos case and grabs the gambit case. There’s plenty of bad stuff in there and if you think can understand what you’re looking at then I encourage you to read it. I’ll try and complete it when I get home but I promised to post this today and I feel I’ve got a very strong case as it is. As a haflway point conclusion/tl;dr I will leave you with this. VE has attacked toad in the scummiest way possible, he has also gone after easy targets for his "scum reads" and doesn't give reasons behind his suspicions. Please read the whole thing. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: How many games (Outside Responsibility) have you heard of that include different variations of the same role? I mean, is it possible? Yeah...obviously anything is possible. Probable? Meh. MEH. I don't think so sir. I think Gambit is a fine choice...Bugs, don't get buyer's remorse. Gambit is a fine lynch. well the op says it's possible. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5241 Posts
In SS Mafia, in response to pressure SnB was all like "pls... believe me I'm town... "In this game he's more like "....I'm town you moron". | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:33 Ange777 wrote: So a Mason Recruiter would be able to invite one random player into his playgroup every night? That is what Toad is claiming he is, as far as I can see. Call it what you will - the name doesn't really matter, only the function. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: ^ tons of us weren't in that game. What's differnece btwn mason and mason recruiter? I can't honestly believe that all of: Wiggles, Kita, MZ, VE, BH, WBG are ALL town. That would be like. OP. If I can't build a case on any of you, then I would support lynching one of Manason, G32, or Zealos, but I feel like going for a controversial lynch would yield bigger dividends. Higher risk, higher reward. A phone booth is multiple people in one QT. A mason usually is just 2 people, the mason and the guy he masoned. The phone booth will last even if the guy who started it is dead (read: If I am dead the guys in my QT can still use it) while when a "normal" mason dies the mason QT is utterly useless because there's only 1 in there. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: ^ tons of us weren't in that game. What's differnece btwn mason and mason recruiter? I can't honestly believe that all of: Wiggles, Kita, MZ, VE, BH, WBG are ALL town. That would be like. OP. If I can't build a case on any of you, then I would support lynching one of Manason, G32, or Zealos, but I feel like going for a controversial lynch would yield bigger dividends. Higher risk, higher reward. MZ and I are basically confirmed town unless forumite took two shots. Also, I shouldn't truthfully be on a list with vets because I replaced in for a really inactive new townie. So that leaves Wiggles, Kita, VE, BH and probably a couple others (like kenpachi, you, marv etc) Out of those players I find a kita lynch the most acceptable. BH's activity has dropped off quite a bit and so he doesn't look as good as the others but kita looks by far the worst. He plays a very good scum game and it makes sense that the reads on him are only by feel, but there are specific things that I came across when reading his posts that made me question his alignment (though I failed to write them down) When I go back and read through the thread again later tonight I'll put up my thoughts on the matter. For now though I think lynching into Zealos or Gambit is fine. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:34 EchelonTee wrote: @mattchew Unless SnB has drastically improved his scum game, he's probably town this game. His responses to pressure, and his continuing forthrightness seem pretty townie. In SS Mafia, in response to pressure SnB was all like "pls... believe me I'm town... "In this game he's more like "....I'm town you moron". I would think that was his only game ever as scum... Do you remember your first game as scum? How much different was it from your second? How much better did you play | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Not all of these roles will be in the game, but all roles in the game will either be on this list, or be variations of roles on this list. I suppose it is possible. Toad you need to be clear about this. Are you a mason recruiter or just a mason? If you die do you leave behind a QT that the people you add can use? Also on SnB: I agree with what ET just said, I don't think SnB's attitude is indicative of him being scum. Mattchew you're just tunneled too far IMO. We could be wrong but I don't think a mafia SnB would be as bold about his opinions as he has been so far. That's a pretty rare characteristic even among experienced scum. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. The first part is enough to hang you, the second part will just be icing on the cake. Also btw everyone, that's what an analysis looks like. I frankly do not give a shit how so and so acted in some game from 2 months ago. I want you to tell me why so and so is scum THIS GAME. Meta is a useful tool, however I see a lot of people with no idea what they're doing trying to base entire arguments off of meta which is ridiculous. I don't care how someone is acting compared to the last game. Unless you can give relevant and referenced examples of their play in another game I'm not even going to pay attention (and no, just blindly linking someone's filter doesn't count, you have to explain why it's relevant). Town has been playing like shit so far today, not because people are playing bad, just because they're playing lazy. If you wanna talk about previous games then know this, lazy townies lost the last game I was in. I will not stand by and repeat that. So next time you accuse someone, you better have a damn good reason. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 31 2012 06:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The first part is enough to hang you, the second part will just be icing on the cake. Also btw everyone, that's what an analysis looks like. I frankly do not give a shit how so and so acted in some game from 2 months ago. I want you to tell me why so and so is scum THIS GAME. Meta is a useful tool, however I see a lot of people with no idea what they're doing trying to base entire arguments off of meta which is ridiculous. I don't care how someone is acting compared to the last game. Unless you can give relevant and referenced examples of their play in another game I'm not even going to pay attention (and no, just blindly linking someone's filter doesn't count, you have to explain why it's relevant). Town has been playing like shit so far today, not because people are playing bad, just because they're playing lazy. If you wanna talk about previous games then know this, lazy townies lost the last game I was in. I will not stand by and repeat that. So next time you accuse someone, you better have a damn good reason. the last game wasn't lost by lazy townies, it was lost by people not using their brains. I agree that we shouldn't be lazy but let's not fearmonger, yeah? I don't agree with your VE case and I don't think it's a very good idea to be trying to kill him right now. VE's play is fairly hard to read and he tends to do things that other players do not as town. He's fairly active and bold as both alignments and so what we need to do is force him to take sides on issues that matter. I.E, if he's scum we need to force him to bus all of them. | ||
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