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On May 31 2012 06:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 06:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. The first part is enough to hang you, the second part will just be icing on the cake. Also btw everyone, that's what an analysis looks like. I frankly do not give a shit how so and so acted in some game from 2 months ago. I want you to tell me why so and so is scum THIS GAME. Meta is a useful tool, however I see a lot of people with no idea what they're doing trying to base entire arguments off of meta which is ridiculous. I don't care how someone is acting compared to the last game. Unless you can give relevant and referenced examples of their play in another game I'm not even going to pay attention (and no, just blindly linking someone's filter doesn't count, you have to explain why it's relevant). Town has been playing like shit so far today, not because people are playing bad, just because they're playing lazy. If you wanna talk about previous games then know this, lazy townies lost the last game I was in. I will not stand by and repeat that. So next time you accuse someone, you better have a damn good reason. the last game wasn't lost by lazy townies, it was lost by people not using their brains. I agree that we shouldn't be lazy but let's not fearmonger, yeah? I don't agree with your VE case and I don't think it's a very good idea to be trying to kill him right now. VE's play is fairly hard to read and he tends to do things that other players do not as town. He's fairly active and bold as both alignments and so what we need to do is force him to take sides on issues that matter. I.E, if he's scum we need to force him to bus all of them.
Did you actually read what I wrote?
I'm going to class -_-
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Its not enough to hang Mr MZ that's that I'm saying...you are jumping to conclusions based on a preconceived notion that I'm scum which is absolutely false. You said it yourself when you went to filter me I was already "looking bad". Are you even trying to see a townVE motivation at ALL? Now who is the lazy townie?
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That's nice...post a whopper and excuse yourself from its discussion.
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On May 31 2012 06:43 wherebugsgo wrote:I take back what I said earlier about the mason thing: Show nested quote +Not all of these roles will be in the game, but all roles in the game will either be on this list, or be variations of roles on this list. I suppose it is possible. Toad you need to be clear about this. Are you a mason recruiter or just a mason? If you die do you leave behind a QT that the people you add can use?Also on SnB: I agree with what ET just said, I don't think SnB's attitude is indicative of him being scum. Mattchew you're just tunneled too far IMO. We could be wrong but I don't think a mafia SnB would be as bold about his opinions as he has been so far. That's a pretty rare characteristic even among experienced scum.
I already answered the 2nd part: Yes when I die the people who are talking with me stay in that QT and I only have named MZ so far for obvious reasons.
About the mason recruiter or the mason: Idk really. It's a description of the role and I figured I'm a "mason" although that word never was used in my pm. When I read "Mason recruiter" I was shocked because it described both my flavor and my role perfectly because I am "recruiting" people on n1.
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Weird that people are still picking the likes of Phagga or Zealous over Hyaach as lynch target, if based on posted material...
Not sure what happened in AC but I take it that you mean 2 town mason factions, unknown to the other, could each select a single individual each night, command carried out by each respective recruiter? And this is the purposed situation with Gambit?
Until Gambit responds my vote would be on gambit right now.
By the way, by withheld information i meant all information not accessible by someone who is not mason. I was aware of Toads claim of extra mason, but I didn't intend to imply anything more that what my post clearly asked.
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On May 31 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Its not enough to hang Mr MZ that's that I'm saying...you are jumping to conclusions based on a preconceived notion that I'm scum which is absolutely false. You said it yourself when you went to filter me I was already "looking bad". Are you even trying to see a townVE motivation at ALL? Now who is the lazy townie?
Ok, help us out here. What's the townVE motivation for asking Wiggles to seriously consider lynching Toad?
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Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election.
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On May 31 2012 07:06 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Its not enough to hang Mr MZ that's that I'm saying...you are jumping to conclusions based on a preconceived notion that I'm scum which is absolutely false. You said it yourself when you went to filter me I was already "looking bad". Are you even trying to see a townVE motivation at ALL? Now who is the lazy townie? Ok, help us out here. What's the townVE motivation for asking Wiggles to seriously consider lynching Toad?
That was a gross exaggeration based on an angry reaction I had to one of Toad's posts...which I explained in a post soon after. I couldn't see a townie motivation for volunteering the information he volunteered, so I angrily asked Wiggles to just remove him from the equation. It was mostly a joke. Mostly.
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kitaman27
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Meapak, I came to the exact same conclusion. Independently!!!
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On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election.
But a lot of your mud-flinging at Toad was long after his chances at election had gone. He only ever got one vote other than himself. Forumite was a more popular candidate.
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.
Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers").
What do you think?
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On May 31 2012 07:14 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. But a lot of your mud-flinging at Toad was long after his chances at election had gone. He only ever got one vote other than himself. Forumite was a more popular candidate.
Nonono, Toad was never not in the running as "confirmed" * non-scum.
And I wasn't "flinging mud" at Toad man, this is the lie. I simply don't take Toad's word that "I'm not manipulable". I think Toad is a skilled enough player, but EVERYONE to a degree is manipulable and someone who's talking to someone else privately is not someone I want holding the abort button on a lynch man...period.
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On May 31 2012 07:22 slOosh wrote:It is now Day 2. With 28 players alive it takes 14 to lynch. Voting is mandatory and must be done in the voting thread.
The day ends in ~25 hours, on Thursday, May 31 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
I want more votes nao!!! JK just make sure you don't forget to do it by deadline. Day 2 Vote Count GambitX32 - (4)wherebugsgo Blazinghand VisceraEyes Mr. Wiggles Ange777 Zealos - (3)marvellosity Toadesstern wherebugsgo Kitaman - (1)Manason VisceraEyes papapanda - (1)Kenpachi Toadesstern - (0)austinmcc Haven't voted - (19) a whole bunch of people
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think?
Actually, Wiggles I'd REALLY like your opinion...you're firmly in the Gambit-For-Lynch camp, yeah? What do you think about this post by Zealos?
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actually the fact that wiggles is voting gambit is one of the reasons I'd like to lynch zealos instead if we're really not going for kita or VE.
Not saying wiggles is mafia, but I still think the lynch on d1 was stupid and I'm having a null on wiggles.
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Toad do you think I'm scum? Really? Like, deep down? Because every time you mention me as a lynch candidate a little piece of my soul dies, so I wanted to be sure it wasn't all in vain. 
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think?
I don't think that you can come to your conclusion based on that because he doesn't really suggest anything in other posts nor even in this one that he finds Toad to look town. It could be a semantic thing where he just thinks that Toad is town if he can prove he's a mason and if he's not he's lying scum. The dichotomy is obvious to anyone and I don't think this sentence in particular means anything.
More interesting to me from that post is his sinensis sheep and how he calls out SnB but isn't willing to vote him and how he is aware of his own lurkiness.
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On May 31 2012 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? I don't think that you can come to your conclusion based on that because he doesn't really suggest anything in other posts nor even in this one that he finds Toad to look town. It could be a semantic thing where he just thinks that Toad is town if he can prove he's a mason and if he's not he's lying scum. The dichotomy is obvious to anyone and I don't think this sentence in particular means anything. More interesting to me from that post is his sinensis sheep and how he calls out SnB but isn't willing to vote him and how he is aware of his own lurkiness.
I mean...I didn't come to a conclusion...I made an observation. Are you saying I can't observe a cognitive disconnect?
Whatever, I'm trying to justify to myself moving to your target, argue with me all you want dude. -.-
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On May 31 2012 07:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Toad do you think I'm scum? Really? Like, deep down? Because every time you mention me as a lynch candidate a little piece of my soul dies, so I wanted to be sure it wasn't all in vain.
I'm going to give you a read out my diary from yesterday that I left for my circle in case of preemptive face-lossage
3) VE is looking weird to me and I don't know what to make of him because I think he's town. Usually what happens between VE and myself is something like this: I get in the game, yell at him "you mafia bro" the first day because he does some incredible weird shit like fakeclaiming dayvig to win an election and I call him out on that shit not knowing if it has a town or mafia agenda. And during the next 24 or 48 hours of calling him mafia, making him reply to what I post no matter if honest or bullshit I figure him out. This game however I straight up had a townread on him, which is weird lol
weird as in I think you're 3rd party, as in I think you're trying to act like a townie rather than being the somewhat weird townie you usually are.
- As townie you have those weird moments that make me wtf for a moment and I have to figure out why you did that. Just like I did this game just the other way around. Remember when you fakeclaimed Day-vig to win an election as town? That's the kind of "weird" I'm referring to
- As mafia you're less weird and you're pushing mafia agendas or bussing without giving reasoning, just like mattchew did in holy roman.
- As third party you're usually trying to look good and contributing. Remember your win as SK? You were called Town-MVP and MVP in general if I remember correctly. I think I'm seeing the same here, not the MVP part ( :p ) but the trying part and I think it's way to good for your real town-self and I think you could not controle yourself like that unless you have to.
That's why a VE lynch would be a least hilarious, but yeah I really think you are 3rd party. If you're not 3rd party take it as a compliment but I doubt you're going to flip town.
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On May 31 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Were Mafia given a list of the possible roles that is more accurate as far as the variations than town received in the OP?
Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me
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