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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 30 2012 22:58 GMT
#1461
nice writeup mz... you connected quite a few things there. I had no overview on VE so far...

+ Show Spoiler +
"So let’s go over what’s wrong with this. On the surface it’s yet another jab at toad. However if you read closely, he’s now left his previous argument that toad is lying about his claim aside, and is instead focusing on the negative side effects having mason toad elected as leader. So without warning, VE has completely thrown away his earlier line of attack on toad and is now coming at him from a different angle. That’s not the only thing wrong with this post. VE is blatantly fear mongering as he talks about the dangers of toad being manipulated by the mafia. Toad’s mason power doesn’t kick in until the next day (not rocket science, just how masons work), so the chance of scum manipulated who he lynches is nil. This post serves no purpose but to sling mud at toad. Similar to what VE’s been doing all game long, except without warning he’s suddenly accepted toad as a mason and is fear mongering with implausible scenarios."


I like that part. The risk of manipulation is extremely low and only a godlike scumplayer could pull that of.
But if VE is scum. Why is he interested that Toad isn't elected... Is it because the scumteam already had a candidate running for office? WIGGLES?
is that thought too complicated?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 30 2012 22:58 GMT
#1462
On May 31 2012 07:57 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Were Mafia given a list of the possible roles that is more accurate as far as the variations than town received in the OP?


Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me


NEITHER DOES MOST OF THIS SHIT NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 30 2012 22:58 GMT
#1463
+ Show Spoiler +
<3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 30 2012 23:00 GMT
#1464
On May 31 2012 07:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 07:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad do you think I'm scum? Really? Like, deep down? Because every time you mention me as a lynch candidate a little piece of my soul dies, so I wanted to be sure it wasn't all in vain.

I'm going to give you a read out my diary from yesterday that I left for my circle in case of preemptive face-lossage

Show nested quote +
3) VE is looking weird to me and I don't know what to make of him because I think he's town. Usually what happens between VE and myself is something like this: I get in the game, yell at him "you mafia bro" the first day because he does some incredible weird shit like fakeclaiming dayvig to win an election and I call him out on that shit not knowing if it has a town or mafia agenda. And during the next 24 or 48 hours of calling him mafia, making him reply to what I post no matter if honest or bullshit I figure him out. This game however I straight up had a townread on him, which is weird lol


weird as in I think you're 3rd party, as in I think you're trying to act like a townie rather than being the somewhat weird townie you usually are.
  • As townie you have those weird moments that make me wtf for a moment and I have to figure out why you did that. Just like I did this game just the other way around. Remember when you fakeclaimed Day-vig to win an election as town? That's the kind of "weird" I'm referring to
  • As mafia you're less weird and you're pushing mafia agendas or bussing without giving reasoning, just like mattchew did in holy roman.
  • As third party you're usually trying to look good and contributing. Remember your win as SK? You were called Town-MVP and MVP in general if I remember correctly. I think I'm seeing the same here, not the MVP part ( :p ) but the trying part and I think it's way to good for your real town-self and I think you could not controle yourself like that unless you have to.

That's why a VE lynch would be a least hilarious, but yeah I really think you are 3rd party. If you're not 3rd party take it as a compliment but I doubt you're going to flip town.


For reference: Scum VE sometimes plays exactly like the "third party VE" you describe.

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jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 30 2012 23:11 GMT
#1465
On May 31 2012 07:58 supersoft wrote:
But if VE is scum. Why is he interested that Toad isn't elected... Is it because the scumteam already had a candidate running for office? WIGGLES?
is that thought too complicated?

Given how hard VE has spammed on day 2, it's possible that he was just spamming on any workable topic rather than with a particular agenda.

I'm not liking Wiggles much atm though. Too few posts, too carefully written.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
May 30 2012 23:12 GMT
#1466
On May 31 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 07:57 GreYMisT wrote:
On May 31 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Were Mafia given a list of the possible roles that is more accurate as far as the variations than town received in the OP?


Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me


NEITHER DOES MOST OF THIS SHIT NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION


Mafia have more information than town, as is their nature.

That is all I will answer
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 30 2012 23:18 GMT
#1467
On May 31 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 07:57 GreYMisT wrote:
On May 31 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Were Mafia given a list of the possible roles that is more accurate as far as the variations than town received in the OP?


Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me


NEITHER DOES MOST OF THIS SHIT NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION


see. That's town VE. But that could be faked now that I mentioned it
I should have just shut up and kept telling people to do what I want them to do instead of explaining why.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 30 2012 23:19 GMT
#1468
haha, I love reading mattchew's posts
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 30 2012 23:20 GMT
#1469
On May 31 2012 08:11 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 07:58 supersoft wrote:
But if VE is scum. Why is he interested that Toad isn't elected... Is it because the scumteam already had a candidate running for office? WIGGLES?
is that thought too complicated?

Given how hard VE has spammed on day 2, it's possible that he was just spamming on any workable topic rather than with a particular agenda.

I'm not liking Wiggles much atm though. Too few posts, too carefully written.


MY theory bases on the assumption that Zealos is scum.
Independant from that VE looks bad. I recommend everyone to read MZs there are some really nicely done parts.
+ he refuses to say anything about zealos.

If both are scum, I think it's highly likely that Wiggles is scum:
scumVE has no reason to attack people running for election if there is no scumcandidate running with a fair chance of winning.
Wiggles doesnt participate at the endday1 discussion about zealos despite of the fact that zealos was a better target than sinanses...
Wiggles is the scumcandidate.

__________________________________


zealos needs to die first.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 30 2012 23:22 GMT
#1470
On May 31 2012 08:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 31 2012 07:57 GreYMisT wrote:
On May 31 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Were Mafia given a list of the possible roles that is more accurate as far as the variations than town received in the OP?


Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me


NEITHER DOES MOST OF THIS SHIT NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION


see. That's town VE. But that could be faked now that I mentioned it
I should have just shut up and kept telling people to do what I want them to do instead of explaining why.


+ the timing is awkward. Right after MZs post...
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
May 30 2012 23:22 GMT
#1471


:3
:3
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 30 2012 23:22 GMT
#1472
So your logic is

1. lynch Zealos
2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad

I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 30 2012 23:25 GMT
#1473
On May 31 2012 08:22 EchelonTee wrote:
So your logic is

1. lynch Zealos
2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad

I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here.


I know. But far too late. At this point of times there was no denyal that Zealos looked bad. It was just obvious. He really looked bad. However VE just mentions that fact but doesnt do anything about it.+
Moreover:

GambitX32 - (4)
Blazinghand
VisceraEyes
Mr. Wiggles
Ange777

Zealos - (3)
marvellosity
Toadesstern
wherebugsgo

Dont you think it's remarkable that he refused to switch so far? even after we got toad claiming that Gamb is mason... and even wbg switched on zeal.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#1474
##Unvote: Gambit
##Vote: Zealos


No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#1475
On May 31 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 08:22 EchelonTee wrote:
So your logic is

1. lynch Zealos
2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad

I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here.


I know. But far too late. At this point of times there was no denyal that Zealos looked bad. It was just obvious. He really looked bad. However VE just mentions that fact but doesnt do anything about it.+
Moreover:

GambitX32 - (4)
Blazinghand
VisceraEyes
Mr. Wiggles
Ange777

Zealos - (3)
marvellosity
Toadesstern
wherebugsgo

Dont you think it's remarkable that he refused to switch so far? even after we got toad claiming that Gamb is mason... and even wbg switched on zeal.

well claimed that gamb is a hard word. You know I like to use hard words like "confirmed" and stuff like that when it's really an exaggeration but I GUESS, as in I HAVE A FEELING HE MIGHT BE a mason is more like it :p

Could be a coincidence could be true, idk. However the right action should be the same we had yesterday: Just lynch someone else while waiting for the guy to "confirm" himself or not.
It might be he's waiting until the last second of the deadline because he's scared we might lynch him but whatever, I would be in his shoes as well as a townie and as a mafia.
For now we should just lynch someone else.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
May 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#1476
On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 23:08 Mattchew wrote:
On May 30 2012 22:45 supersoft wrote:
okay how many people took bullets?

MZ took a hit
wherebugsgo took a hit

both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now.

On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win


this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died.

I didn't even wait for WBG to claim his hit, how is that panicking... Did you read the post in context to the entire thread or just in my filter or quoted somewhere?


fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude.


@Supersoft, I know Matthew mentioned this but you never answered. How do you know that Matt claimed the hit before the hit PMs were sent out? He claimed after the Day post so my assumption would be that people knew if they had been hit. WBG and MZ never said anything about the PMs being late.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 30 2012 23:31 GMT
#1477
Hmm yeah, I think Kita is alright for now.

Voting Zealos atm.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 30 2012 23:32 GMT
#1478
On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 23:08 Mattchew wrote:
On May 30 2012 22:45 supersoft wrote:
okay how many people took bullets?

MZ took a hit
wherebugsgo took a hit

both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now.

On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win


this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died.

I didn't even wait for WBG to claim his hit, how is that panicking... Did you read the post in context to the entire thread or just in my filter or quoted somewhere?


fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude.

I realise this is 10pgs ago, but can you not say shit like this? Seriously, just being a huge dick.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 30 2012 23:32 GMT
#1479
On May 31 2012 08:29 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
On May 30 2012 23:08 Mattchew wrote:
On May 30 2012 22:45 supersoft wrote:
okay how many people took bullets?

MZ took a hit
wherebugsgo took a hit

both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now.

On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win


this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died.

I didn't even wait for WBG to claim his hit, how is that panicking... Did you read the post in context to the entire thread or just in my filter or quoted somewhere?


fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude.


@Supersoft, I know Matthew mentioned this but you never answered. How do you know that Matt claimed the hit before the hit PMs were sent out? He claimed after the Day post so my assumption would be that people knew if they had been hit. WBG and MZ never said anything about the PMs being late.


Yeah I don't know what this is about either - I received my RB notification BEFORE the Day post, so I don't know why he's saying that Mattchew is lying because of the timing of "hit PMs"...I would assume all that stuff would be sussed out before the Day post goes up. *shrug*
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
May 30 2012 23:34 GMT
#1480
It's bugging me because he is sure of it to the point that he uses it to bash Matt.

Maybe it is nothing but I would like answer.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
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