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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think?
Prob can you take a look at this post and my thoughts on it and comment? Bugs is too busy thinking I'm a dumbass to take anything I say seriously.
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On May 31 2012 08:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote:On May 31 2012 08:45 supersoft wrote:
solve of the mysterious riddle you struggle with: I thought your mason PM would be the first PM that goes out because everyone waited for that in the thread and Greymist obviously should have noticed that.
Don't hype that shit. Thanks, that is all I wanted. Like I said it was bugging me that is all. i have a different explanation. You were blue fishing weren't you? Docs and Jailers should get a PM if the save something, too right?
Face meet palm
How exactly is asking how you "knew" that hit PMs were late when you weren't hit, role fishing?
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76 pages, only halfway through D2. THIS IS TOO MUCH POSTING. CONSOLIDATE YOUR POSTS FFS
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Who do you think are the veteran players on the scum team VE?
Wiggles?
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I don't care about balance right now. I care about finding scum. I think we have in Zealos/Gambit. If you're interested in helping us find out which is the better target, feel free Kita - I'm not sure who among the Vets is scum yet, but I'm certain that if I'm considered a Vet then I'm not one of the scum Vets. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
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On May 31 2012 09:03 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 08:55 supersoft wrote:On May 31 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote:On May 31 2012 08:45 supersoft wrote:
solve of the mysterious riddle you struggle with: I thought your mason PM would be the first PM that goes out because everyone waited for that in the thread and Greymist obviously should have noticed that.
Don't hype that shit. Thanks, that is all I wanted. Like I said it was bugging me that is all. i have a different explanation. You were blue fishing weren't you? Docs and Jailers should get a PM if the save something, too right? Face meet palm How exactly is asking how you "knew" that hit PMs were late when you weren't hit, role fishing?
What he said:
You asked him about this to find out wether or not he is one of the medics / jailers who protected someone ELSE.
They get a pm as well.
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On May 31 2012 08:48 Probulous wrote:Can someone link me the case against Zealos. He looks like an overwhelmed newb to me 
Zealos isn't that new. I believe he has four games now, at least two as scum. His town performance in GoT wasn't bad at all, and certainly didn't give the impression of being overwhelmed.
Forumite's case against him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14866065
Since then he's managed a few bad excuses and that's it.
It's not a great case, but I don't think we have anything better.
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On May 31 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Prob can you take a look at this post and my thoughts on it and comment? Bugs is too busy thinking I'm a dumbass to take anything I say seriously.
Weren't you implying the same thing?
You didn't want to vote him into office because he might get manipulated by scum. The way I read it, Zealos is saying that Toad can prove he is town when his mason actions occur. It is unlikely that scum would claim mason so early day 1 so it makes sense to assume Toad is town. But even so waiting till he confirms himself is not a bad play, in fact you were singing from the same song sheet.
This assumption is important
"The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town")"
Why do you assume it is based on his posting and not his claim? It seems pretty townie to me to claim mason early.
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Well I think lynching into VE / kita is better as I'd say we have 1 mafia + 1 3rd-party or 2 mafias within:: Kita + wiggles + VE
On top of that VE gives me a really 3rd party vibe.
Supersoft might be in there as well, have to see how people flip first
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On May 31 2012 09:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 09:03 Probulous wrote:On May 31 2012 08:55 supersoft wrote:On May 31 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote:On May 31 2012 08:45 supersoft wrote:
solve of the mysterious riddle you struggle with: I thought your mason PM would be the first PM that goes out because everyone waited for that in the thread and Greymist obviously should have noticed that.
Don't hype that shit. Thanks, that is all I wanted. Like I said it was bugging me that is all. i have a different explanation. You were blue fishing weren't you? Docs and Jailers should get a PM if the save something, too right? Face meet palm How exactly is asking how you "knew" that hit PMs were late when you weren't hit, role fishing? What he said: You asked him about this to find out wether or not he is one of the medics / jailers who protected someone ELSE. They get a pm as well.
So by asking super how he "knew", I was checking whether he is Jailer or Doc and got a late PM?
Ok I see that. That was not the reason for asking but I can see his point.
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On May 31 2012 09:10 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Prob can you take a look at this post and my thoughts on it and comment? Bugs is too busy thinking I'm a dumbass to take anything I say seriously. Weren't you implying the same thing? You didn't want to vote him into office because he might get manipulated by scum. The way I read it, Zealos is saying that Toad can prove he is town when his mason actions occur. It is unlikely that scum would claim mason so early day 1 so it makes sense to assume Toad is town. But even so waiting till he confirms himself is not a bad play, in fact you were singing from the same song sheet. This assumption is important "The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town")" Why do you assume it is based on his posting and not his claim? It seems pretty townie to me to claim mason early.
To be fair I don't. This is just an observation/hypothesis.
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On May 31 2012 09:12 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 09:06 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2012 09:03 Probulous wrote:On May 31 2012 08:55 supersoft wrote:On May 31 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote:On May 31 2012 08:45 supersoft wrote:
solve of the mysterious riddle you struggle with: I thought your mason PM would be the first PM that goes out because everyone waited for that in the thread and Greymist obviously should have noticed that.
Don't hype that shit. Thanks, that is all I wanted. Like I said it was bugging me that is all. i have a different explanation. You were blue fishing weren't you? Docs and Jailers should get a PM if the save something, too right? Face meet palm How exactly is asking how you "knew" that hit PMs were late when you weren't hit, role fishing? What he said: You asked him about this to find out wether or not he is one of the medics / jailers who protected someone ELSE. They get a pm as well. So by asking super how he "knew", I was checking whether he is Jailer or Doc and got a late PM? Ok I see that. That was not the reason for asking but I can see his point.
of course not.
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On May 31 2012 09:08 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 08:48 Probulous wrote:Can someone link me the case against Zealos. He looks like an overwhelmed newb to me Zealos isn't that new. I believe he has four games now, at least two as scum. His town performance in GoT wasn't bad at all, and certainly didn't give the impression of being overwhelmed. Forumite's case against him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14866065Since then he's managed a few bad excuses and that's it.It's not a great case, but I don't think we have anything better.
Thanks jaj. What is your position on Zealos?
The reason I want something concrete is that I think Hyacch is a better lynch candidate. Forumite's case boilds down to
- Useless claim for no reason, little content, telling people to get along and drops a vote.
- Defends Toades for no reason at all, it wasn´t even much of a case on Toades, and definetly no wagon. Could be that he´s a town on edge, but I don´t like it.
- Not everyone was jumping on Toades, not that many really. Preemptive defence, could be to gain town credit, or defend a scumbuddy. It doesn´t feel like he´s as suspicious of Toades play as he should be as town.
- Best one of all, Zealos is basically saying he´s suspicious without taking responsibility. I´d like to say it´s scum guilt, a combination of knowing he´s accusing a townie and not wanting to take a stand in case it gets him into trouble once S&B flips.
The Toad doesn't matter because Toad is town (unless I am missing something). He isn't getting credit for his defense so it is pointless. His claim doesn't matter anyway because no-one puts any stock in them. The best point is that Zealos wasn't taking responsibility which applies to others as well. There is a concerted effort to lynch him and I want something substantial to work off.
Let's compare Zealos to Hyaach
On May 28 2012 22:58 Hyaach wrote:
On Kita's vote on me, I have no idea. He knew I wouldn't have a chance, and I was probably one of the newer names in this mafia game that posted decently early into the game. I actually saw his vote, but couldn't bother with it since it does not bother me or the way the thread was going.
Does no-one find this odd?
I mean, I would be like "WTF?" if someone voted for me when I hadn't posted anything of substance and wasn't running in the election.
On May 28 2012 22:58 Hyaach wrote:
Toad claiming mason is something else. Its very hard to prove his alignment as forumite pointed out. He could have claimed to be RBed everynight or until X day where he come clean with a mafia buddy.
So I'm not voting him as well.
This is illogical as we now know. If people are suspicious of VE for doubting Toad than surely this should get a closer look.
On May 28 2012 22:58 Hyaach wrote:
Mr Wiggles actually have a very transparent case so far and his is the best candidate imo.
Note this if followed by
If I could wake up in 8 hours time to reread and revote, I would do it. But for now my vote is
##vote Meapak_Ziphh
and before you say im contradicting myself which I am. I do not just want to wagon a vote, I have as much town read on Mr Wiggles as I have on Meapak_Ziphh. You may say but if you are town you would want to elect a strong candidate into Mayor. But I feel safer voting on town read by myself on someone who doesn't run for Mayor.
I believe most who ran campaigns has an agenda.
So he believes Wiggles is the best candidate but votes for MZ because he reads them as equally townie? This is so contradictory it looks like someone finding an excuse not to vote for Wiggles.
Oh and by the way he never came back to change his vote. I think Hyaach is a better lynch as his flip will hopefully provide an insight into Wiggles (hyaach was determined not to vote for him) and into Kita (who "randomly" picked someone not running as his early vote). Most importantly I think he is more likely to flip mafia than Zealos based on what has been presented.
Thoughts people?
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I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah.
Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good.
Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been.
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Hyaach
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been.
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Hyaach
lol now you're just making stuff up -_-
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I had not been lumping Hyaach in with the other lurkers who have become lynch candidates only because I remembered him lurking in Newbie XIII, and that we had some issues with the time zone making it so he wasn't active when things were happening.
Personally I read those contradictions and illogical bits as a result of him being absolutely disinterested in the game. See posts like:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2012 14:26 Hyaach wrote:
How many hours till this day ends?
placer-vote until i read everything in around 8 hours On May 28 2012 22:58 Hyaach wrote:
Huge headache to read 15 pages of text with lots of emotions and random things inserted here and there.
. . .
If I could wake up in 8 hours time to reread and revote, I would do it. But for now my vote is
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But it is still i think 8 hours till day ends? Plenty of time to decide. On May 31 2012 01:18 Hyaach wrote:
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Gambit. I never read his filter yet.
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Kita i didnt read.
I'll admit though, he's actually made an effort to post each cycle as opposed to the rest of the crew, which DOES look scummy to me when compared to people who have had to be warned.
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Kita why were you so worried about the lyncher getting the mayor role?
Based off of Grey's explanation about what they know
Assassin and Lyncher will not be shooting blind
it doesn't sound like they know who their target is day 1. Forumite's flip confirms this, they just know their targets character. So if the mayor was a lyncher they would have the same information as anyone else. It just seems so out of place to get worked up about the remote possibility that the lyncher would risk exposing themselves for the chance to decide a lynch when they have no extra information.
Surely the best play would have been to wait until they know who their target is adn then push for a lynch? You're a vet and well known for getting things right. So for you to miss something so obvious rings false.
Am I missing something?
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On May 31 2012 09:54 austinmcc wrote:I had not been lumping Hyaach in with the other lurkers who have become lynch candidates only because I remembered him lurking in Newbie XIII, and that we had some issues with the time zone making it so he wasn't active when things were happening. Personally I read those contradictions and illogical bits as a result of him being absolutely disinterested in the game. See posts like: + Show Spoiler +On May 28 2012 14:26 Hyaach wrote:
How many hours till this day ends?
placer-vote until i read everything in around 8 hours On May 28 2012 22:58 Hyaach wrote:
Huge headache to read 15 pages of text with lots of emotions and random things inserted here and there.
. . .
If I could wake up in 8 hours time to reread and revote, I would do it. But for now my vote is
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But it is still i think 8 hours till day ends? Plenty of time to decide. On May 31 2012 01:18 Hyaach wrote:
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Gambit. I never read his filter yet.
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Kita i didnt read. I'll admit though, he's actually made an effort to post each cycle as opposed to the rest of the crew, which DOES look scummy to me when compared to people who have had to be warned.
It is possible but remember he did make the effort to explain that Wiggles was the best candidate but he would vote for MZ. If you are completely uninterested in the game, why do that?
The only effort he had made has been to find an excuse not to support Wiggles. Why?
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[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? [/QUOTE]
-_-
[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post.
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So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No?
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