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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
 On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote: lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: EBWOP: Preview is my friend! So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No? I think he is in a pool of about 10 players who have no interest in playing this game. If we're lynching lurkers then fine, but with his limited number of posts I can say to have an opinion one way or the other. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:05 kitaman27 wrote: I think he is in a pool of about 10 players who have no interest in playing this game. If we're lynching lurkers then fine, but with his limited number of posts I can say to have an opinion one way or the other. Are you of the opinion that these "non-players" should get a pass and continue to "muddy the waters" of the game? I mean, if it's as you say and you can't read these 10 guys, do you want them alive at LYLO? Given what Probulous has said about Hyaach, you're not any more or less willing to lynch Hyaach over anyone else? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
1. Not taking a position is scummy, there's nothing to hold you to later 2. Townies have no way of influencing the game other than voting (and posting lol), not voting takes a lot of the fun out of playing as town. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
The day 1 vote for MZ sticks out so far that it feels too scummy to be scum, much like his call for a no-vote. Then on day 2 he casts doubt on MZ's hit claim with some paranoid WIFOM speed-typed from his phone. Follows up with a 180 on Wiggles that's not too unreasonable. Reads as paranoid loner newb townie to me. If he's got a team, they're letting him do some very odd stuff. Also I voted (for Gambit) in the wrong thread yesterday. Switching to Zealos for now because his response today is terrible. ##vote Zealos | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:59 Probulous wrote: The only effort he had made has been to find an excuse not to support Wiggles. Why? I'm actually willing to take him at his word on his reasoning. On May 28 2012 22:58 Hyaach wrote: and before you say im contradicting myself which I am. I do not just want to wagon a vote, I have as much town read on Mr Wiggles as I have on Meapak_Ziphh You may say but if you are town you would want to elect a strong candidate into Mayor. But I feel safer voting on town read by myself on someone who doesn't run for Mayor. I believe most who ran campaigns has an agenda. Having not participated in an election previously, I can accept the train of thought he provided: Wiggles seems town, but Wiggles is running for mayor, therefore, better to vote for some other town read that wasn't pushing himself for mayor. I had the same thought to an extent, but figured if a mass vote-swap right before the election was normally a good idea (because some/many of the candidates could be non-town), it would gain traction on its own. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Jaj, come on. Do you agree that Forumite's case boils down to Zealos not taking responsibility for his actions? To me that applies to every lurker and so by choosing Zealos you are taking a shot in the dark. At least with Hyaach we have some evidence for his motivations. Zealos keeps saying he will post stuff and that he is busy. I agree that it is detrimental to town to do that, but perhaps, just perhaps, he actually is busy. The point is he is making an effort to at minimum provide an excuse. Compare that to Cwave or phagga and you can see they have not even done that. So surely if you are happy to lynch a lurker, it should be one of them. If his lynch is based on something else, show me. I suggest a better path, fuck the lurkers and lynch Hyaach as he clearly had motivations for posting what he did. Sure he has disappeared since then but the point is he has made his alignment clear. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:38 austinmcc wrote: I'm actually willing to take him at his word on his reasoning. Having not participated in an election previously, I can accept the train of thought he provided: Wiggles seems town, but Wiggles is running for mayor, therefore, better to vote for some other town read that wasn't pushing himself for mayor. I had the same thought to an extent, but figured if a mass vote-swap right before the election was normally a good idea (because some/many of the candidates could be non-town), it would gain traction on its own. So voting for someone who will not get elected is townie? Your logic only makes sense if you are around to join in on said mass vote switch. He never changed his vote. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:01 kitaman27 wrote: I assumed the lyncher would know who their target was. It would be incredibly difficult to have to lynch a random role like "Gaz", which would come mostly down to luck. Can I assume you just pulled that name out of thin air kitaman or was there something to that name in particular? Because I have to say...I can think of someone in the Zim universe who would LOVE to lynch Gaz. Like...love it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I get the frustration at trying to discern exactly why x lurker is being suggested over y lurker, I was in that boat last night when G32 votes started popping up. As of yet, I'm still of the mind that nothing much supports lynching one lurker over another. The read I have on Hyaach is faintly town, the read I have on Zealos right now faintly scummy. I have no read on cwave or phagga. Read on G32 is entirely dependent on this mason recruiter nonsense. If none of them posted anything for the rest of D2, I'd end up voting Zealos, only because Zealos and Hyaach are the two that have actually posted and are least likely to see themselves out, and I lean a little scummier on Zealos. If he's active the second half of D2 like he said he'd be, that can easily change, because I'm not leaning very far towards town/scum on those two. Your logic only makes sense if you are around to join in on said mass vote switch. He never changed his vote. Right. I'm not arguing it's actually logical, more that it's...newbie logical? Maybe I'm putting too much stock in the value of experience, but his argument occurred to me as well and I barely rejected it. Not changing his vote, on the other hand, is a little more difficult to explain. He was active at that point, so I don't really want to chalk up not moving the vote to disinterest. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Can you provide an explanation why Kita would focus on the lyncher day 1? His actions don't make sense to me but I am having trouble finding the motivation behind them. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:39 Probulous wrote: So you think he is town because he acting like scum? I'm saying that scum normally make some effort not to have an entire filter full of weird stuff. The town explanation for his posts seems more plausible to me. On Zealos, I agree it's possible that he's just busy. His claim is that he has a lot more free time now, so we'll see if he manages to post something that looks town before the lynch. In that case I'd probably switch to Gambit rather than Hyaach though. Cwave and phagga are lined up for modkills due to not voting on day 1, so there's not much point lynching them. What's this evidence of Hyaach's motivations? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!! | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita. Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!! Case in point: Forumite! Forumite was third-party, and all he had to do was scumhunt to | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:13 jaj22 wrote: I'm saying that scum normally make some effort not to have an entire filter full of weird stuff. The town explanation for his posts seems more plausible to me. On Zealos, I agree it's possible that he's just busy. His claim is that he has a lot more free time now, so we'll see if he manages to post something that looks town before the lynch. In that case I'd probably switch to Gambit rather than Hyaach though. Cwave and phagga are lined up for modkills due to not voting on day 1, so there's not much point lynching them. What's this evidence of Hyaach's motivations? Why would you make an effort to state that Wiggles is the best candidate and then vote for someone else? The reason given was that Wiggles has an agenda and he would prefer voting for someone not running for mayor, which is a newb way is alright, if and only if you consolidate on a candidate. Otherwise you can vote for anyone and not be held accountable. His motivation is clear, avoid voting for Wiggles and then disappear into the night. This is scum play if Wiggles is town, which is my read. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita. Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!! It was relevant because it increased the chances of keeping an anti-town player out of office. You act as if I spammed up the thread with lyncher discussion. I only mentioned it a couple of times. Electing toad was the main policy I pushed. Prob, why are you asking VE his opinion about this topic? Are you trying to fuel the flames? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Case in point: Forumite! Forumite was third-party, and all he had to do was scumhunt to So you think Kita is third party? My running theory is that Kita is mafia who wanted to divert town and discredit Toad. When that was shot down he changed tack and tried to discredit you. The problem I have is that he raised the lyncher thing first. It's like fearmongering -> discredit Toad -> discredit VE But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:21 kitaman27 wrote: It was relevant because it increased the chances of keeping an anti-town player out of office. You act as if I spammed up the thread with lyncher discussion. I only mentioned it a couple of times. Electing toad was the main policy I pushed. Prob, why are you asking VE his opinion about this topic? Are you trying to fuel the flames? Because he is here. You seemed to have disappeared. | ||
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