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Mafia Terms
^^Not all are used here on TL, but can be used as a reference for some common ones, OMGUS, WIFOM, FoS, EBWOP
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Mafia Terms ^^Not all are used here on TL, but can be used as a reference for some common ones, OMGUS, WIFOM, FoS, EBWOP | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
 This is my third or fourth game of TL Mafia, I've organized Insane Mafia before which was an absolutely insane game and a ton of fun. I'm also pro lynching someone on day 1 as lynches are the only reliable way to kill mafia. We don't know if there's a vigilante in the game, but I don't think we can count on it. We should also treat any roleclaims with suspicion. Don't blindly follow anyone that claims, or anyone that makes long posts. Think for yourself and don't jump on bandwagons. From what I've seen in other games this is generally what kills towns. Mafia is by definition more organized so they're better at bandwagoning, though a smart mafia will never have everyone voting on one person. However, if there's any risk of a mafia getting lynched they'll normally switch their votes off so anyone that switches votes at the last minute should be viewed with suspicion. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
I have to head to work in a few minutes, but I wanted to post my initial thoughts about the opening of the game: GMarshal stated that mafia has won the last several newbie games. I looked into the 3 on the first page of mafia to look at the basics on opening strategy. Two of the games had a no lynch night 1. I would suggest we lynch, since clearly a no lynch doesn’t work out well... Additionally, I would suggest we open with a lurker lynch strategy. Stating our willingness to lynch a lurker should force activity. If push comes to shove, we must follow through, but hopefully it will force no lurkers. I know mafia tips suggest policy lynches are bad, but I think it's hard to get the ball rolling in newbie games. Finally, I read that even mislynching a townie can be beneficial. It shows who started the accusation, who jumped on the bandwagon and when, who changed their votes and when and why, etc. This reenforces my idea of a lynch on day1. I will probably post again, at work if possible, after reading the few posts and looking into the previous newbie game openings some more. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
It took like 2 minutes to read the 8 posts so far I've been reading FAQs and strategy and whatnot (I missed getting last game by a bit :/) but still had to look up OMGUS. So here is a webpage I found useful: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page I would still like to go back and read the opening day of some of the newbie games. I will do this regardless, but I think it would be beneficial for those that played in those newbie games to go back, reread, and offer analysis of those games as well (or even if you didn't play like me!) My point is we can't analyze players who haven't played any games very accurately, but we can analyze strategy of past newbie games. | ||
Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
Have fun guys, let the town prevail ! | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
Completely agree that a no-lynch on D1 is a terrible idea, at worst we get an inactive, useless town member, at best we hit a random mafia attempting to hide amongst lurkers. As for things noticed so far, Nova_Terra from the last game was an extremely active town member, pushing multiple suspicions and lynches and generally being as pro-town as possible. Inclined to believe town alignment unless the behaviour differentiates from this as the game progresses. Not enough info yet to pick up on anything suspicious, hard to get a decent D1 lynch in, but lets keep the thread active and progressing, try and stay away from repeating things that have already been said and making posts with no real content to them. | ||
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Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
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ZBot
194 Posts
Remember, everyone must vote, and you need a majority to lynch (7 people in this case) Current votes: Mementoss (1): Gossemerr Not voting: Artanis[Xp], sc2system, Nova_Terra, michaelthe, froggynoddy, Ninja4ever., Mementoss, Rise Of Fenix, Seviro, virtu, BlueyD The Day deadline is at 2012-03-24 12:00:00. (That's approximately 1 day, 12:32:01 from now.) | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
Glad to see that more people posted, will check to see who that leaves in a minute. The one thing that i do not like about everyone deciding to lynch a lurker is the strange scrambling that happens if the lurker does happen to post up. in reverse, if the player shows activity in the very beginning and then cuts off all contact for over a day and a half (what happened with firmtofu last game) i dont consider to be that good of a lynch, as i find that if the person was in fact scum, they would be there and try to post to defend themselves. Therefore if all lurkers do post, we should vote to lynch whoever seems the most suspicious at that given moment. @Virtu, I want to play like last game, but with less emotion and OMGUS. it really killed me there. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
Seviro (one useless post, but he's there) Rise of Fenix (one useless post calling me a townie for posting first, I want his opinion on day 1 lynching) Ninja4Ever (he did say he would post later) No one is entirely inactive, but most people seem to agree to lynch a lurker day 1. This means we have to start thinking about who to lynch if there's no convenient lurker. On Gossemer's early vote for Mementoss: He was q | ||
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
On Gossemer's early vote for Mementoss: He was quick to accuse someone in SNMMVIII as well, where he played town. I think it's just a townie move to get discussions going. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On March 22 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote: Another thing I learned from last game and I think Nova_Terra will agree with me is, making connections (or anti-connections) between players is absolutely useless until the town flips its first scum. Keep track of it for all means, just no need to post it until scum is flipped and it can be used with case analysis (can't stand alone as a case). Cause you can literally find these connections between most players, its just the nature of the game, and the town trying to work as a team. Yeah, you are totally right, and i think i have learned that now too. Also, another point against not posting Connection Cases is that it alienates people and if you are town and at least 1-2 of them are town, they are less likely to vote alongside you if you put them as a possible scum connection. If one does flip scum, THEN post your connection analysis. As expected, i went back through our list and everybody had posted. If we are going to lynch a lurker, we'll have to keep track of filters over the next day. I should think that Seviro will be here soon, believe he said something about posting "tomorrow" | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 22 2012 23:56 Nova_Terra wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote: Another thing I learned from last game and I think Nova_Terra will agree with me is, making connections (or anti-connections) between players is absolutely useless until the town flips its first scum. Keep track of it for all means, just no need to post it until scum is flipped and it can be used with case analysis (can't stand alone as a case). Cause you can literally find these connections between most players, its just the nature of the game, and the town trying to work as a team. Yeah, you are totally right, and i think i have learned that now too. Also, another point against not posting Connection Cases is that it alienates people and if you are town and at least 1-2 of them are town, they are less likely to vote alongside you if you put them as a possible scum connection. If one does flip scum, THEN post your connection analysis. As expected, i went back through our list and everybody had posted. If we are going to lynch a lurker, we'll have to keep track of filters over the next day. I should think that Seviro will be here soon, believe he said something about posting "tomorrow" I noticed you were very quick to anger, especially if someone made a post directly against you. Didn't follow the game to it's conclusion but I'll re-read it later tonight and see who were the ones provoking you, because the town atmosphere in that game got destroyed pretty quickly. Nice to see even with over 24h left on D1 that most people are posting, less lurkers and more active posters the better so we can weed out the mafia instead of taking shots in the dark. Back in a few hours, some work to do then travel home, food etc. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
But i think i've learned :D | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 22 2012 23:33 Nova_Terra wrote: The one thing that i do not like about everyone deciding to lynch a lurker is the strange scrambling that happens if the lurker does happen to post up. in reverse, if the player shows activity in the very beginning and then cuts off all contact for over a day and a half (what happened with firmtofu last game) i dont consider to be that good of a lynch, as i find that if the person was in fact scum, they would be there and try to post to defend themselves. Therefore if all lurkers do post, we should vote to lynch whoever seems the most suspicious at that given moment. The point is forcing people to contribute gives us more information to work with, maybe not for day 1 but for further down the line. Also people bandwagoning a 'defensive' lurker can be telling. Remember, information is good for town. That said, jumping to conclusions is silly, you're misgivings are well put | ||
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Seviro
Canada98 Posts
On March 22 2012 23:42 BlueyD wrote: People I consider to be lurkers right now, until further notice: Seviro (one useless post, but he's there) Rise of Fenix (one useless post calling me a townie for posting first, I want his opinion on day 1 lynching) Ninja4Ever (he did say he would post later) No one is entirely inactive, but most people seem to agree to lynch a lurker day 1. This means we have to start thinking about who to lynch if there's no convenient lurker. On Gossemer's early vote for Mementoss: He was q My post wasn't useless, I had to post something before going to bed and I can't post while i'm asleep sorry .As for the lurker lynch we should really put pressure on this, as Mementoss and Nova said, last game all three scums were very active and it was easy for them to control the flow of the game. It is useless to have the number advantage if half of the town only post once in a while just to make sure they are not modkilled. If you look at last day of last game (SNMMVIII) we were 5 town/3 scums and in one day we lynched a townie and 2 others got modkilled, and one of the lurkers was a Blue. This overall inactivity was a good part of why we lose the game since every lurker that we targetted flipped town. That said we should put pressure on lurker but not lynch them to fast because last game's situation will happen again and we will die horribly. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
Seviro, while i agree with your post, i dont get how we can put pressure on lurkers but not lynch them fast, as thats really the only way to pressure them. Froggy, can you explain what you mean by, " a 'defensive' lurker."? a bit confused. I am hoping that there will be a bit more content by tomorrow morning (for europeans that is) and then i will start going through some filters to hopefully get where people are coming from. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Froggy, can you explain what you mean by, " a 'defensive' lurker."? a bit confused. Sorry, I'm in the middle of a stats class so my brain is a bit frazzled... I meant a lurker who responds to pressure over-defensively. What I have been saying (and I think what Seviro is saying), is to be able to analyse behaviour you need to get actions and reactions from people. The analysis then has to be correct in of itself. The decision to lynch should therefore be based on 1. information (gathered by pressuring, amongst other ways) 2. Correct analysis. But without 1. we shall never be able to do 2. And therefore any decisions to lynch will be less strong. Does that make sense? :s | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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