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Rise Of Fenix
Argentina19 Posts
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On March 23 2012 07:33 michaelthe wrote: Could you mind explaining why you would want to do this? votes and when someone votes can be very informative. ebwop: derp. Would you mind... Could you... either of those, but not both. Sorry for my bad englirsh, American, but public schools.... Still though, Mind explaining what advantage you see in waiting until the last minute to place your vote? | ||
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Rise Of Fenix
Argentina19 Posts
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On March 23 2012 07:39 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Trust me, my vote would be at you, but I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There is no unlynch in this game right? All lynch votes are final. You can ##unvote, as seen here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317174¤tpage=2#22 | ||
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Rise Of Fenix
Argentina19 Posts
But I still have no person picked to lynch yet. | ||
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Seviro
Canada98 Posts
It will be best for everyone if we say something like 8 to 6 hour before the deadline we should post what is our vote at that moment. At this point we can discuss and see what would be the best for the town. If at the time of the "soft" deadline you have no one that you think is more suspicious than the other you can always vote for no-lynch and change your vote later. | ||
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Rise Of Fenix
Argentina19 Posts
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Seviro
Canada98 Posts
But my point was not to no lynch, it was that you can vote no-lynch like 6-8 hour before the deadline if you don't know who to vote for and then with the discussion that follow you can make up your mind. | ||
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Seviro
Canada98 Posts
But now I think everyone should post what are their thought about that, if they agree etc. If we want to be able to win this, we need to work together and to not let 1 or 2 people take the control of the town. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Rise of Fenix: On March 22 2012 14:14 Rise Of Fenix wrote: well, you posting first probably eludes you being mafia and drawing unneeded attention to yourself. That is not to say that this could be a fake out, but I am inclined to believe you are town. Who else would like to speak up? Confusing and weird way to say things. Trying to confirm town on one post? Really? If mafia knew posting first could confirm town they would be all over it. Could be a cover up for a fellow scum. Attempts to be pro-town by promoting activity. On March 23 2012 05:24 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Day one lynching is always a solid plan to move foreward, but no real tells are showing thus far. I will likely post my thoughts about 1 hour before the deadline. But not lynching anyone only benefits the scum. This is about the scummiest thing you could ever say. Im going to post my opinion when it's already too late to influence a lynch! At least I can say I had one, so people don't think i'm scum. Also, obviously there are no tells when everyone has 2 posts. On March 23 2012 07:27 Rise Of Fenix wrote: What I said was not that I wouldnt post until the End, I meant i wouldnt vote until the end. I feel that gossamer wouldnt post this much if he was scum Michaelthe has just said to get the inactives. Meh, could be either. Serivo pointed out that I said something stupid, and talked about the time. I say innocent Nova has talked about the time and how I said something stupid. Also innocent I think Artanis asked for my opinion. I am giving it to him. The scummiest person right now in my opinion is michaelthe, as he seems anxious to lynch someone who hasn't really said anything yet. However, I will keep my lynch for later. Still, not voting till the end is perfect for mafia, it shows you are not thinking for yourself. Your basing your vote off of what other people do, band wagoning, trying to blend in. Scum, scum scum. Everyone that pointed out you said something stupid, innocent? Great reasoning. Lists like this are useless, just a post or 2 ago you said you had no solid reads right now , and none of these are backed up by posts, just a half sentence reasoning. Why did you pick these random selection of people and not everyone? Especially if your not gunna back it up with anything. Everyone you said is town have the most quality in there posts. You trying to get in good with them so they don't put a case against you? Goss voted for you, and you didn't even respond to it... You just ignored it despite posting 6 times afterwards. On March 23 2012 07:35 Rise Of Fenix wrote: I prefer not to vote now because I think that until everyone has given their opinion, everyone else deserves equal suspicion. I prefer not to vote now or ever iniate a vote for that matter, because I don't want people to have suspicion of me, or to get on any ones bad side. It is much easier to stay out of the spotlight if I can just agree with a good case against a townie! On March 23 2012 07:39 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Trust me, my vote would be at you, but I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There is no unlynch in this game right? All lynch votes are final. On March 23 2012 07:48 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Oh I didn't know that. But I still have no person picked to lynch yet. WAT. Hey dude I would totally vote you if it wasn't permanent. Wait... it isn't permanent. Well it doesn't matter cause I have nobody picked out to vote. Wishy washy contradicting shit right there. On March 23 2012 07:58 Rise Of Fenix wrote: No lynch is LITERALLY the scummiest thing to do. No lynch only helps scum. Hey guys, since your considering lynching a lurker im going to post a total of 8 times. That way I will never get lynched, right? Also to prove im town im going to add in something pro town. Even though it was pretty much established by the majority of the players in the first couple posts. Biggest points: -Spammy posts -Consistently saying he's hesitant to vote -Contradictory behaviour I dont usually do this this early. But if he didn't respond to one vote, maybe he will respond to two. ##Vote: Rise Of Fenix | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
Can't really say anything about it for now, as it makes a lot of sense to lynch a lurker on the first day, and I'm too drunk to properly write my thoughts, especially in a language I'm not native of. I'll make sure to wake up early and post before going to school. See you guys in ~7/8 hours. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
You're first post states (after day 1) that you are for lurker lynch: Additionally, I would suggest we open with a lurker lynch strategy. Stating our willingness to lynch a lurker should force activity. If push comes to shove, we must follow through, but hopefully it will force no lurkers. I know mafia tips suggest policy lynches are bad, but I think it's hard to get the ball rolling in newbie games. You're second post has no content: Ok, It took like 2 minutes to read the 8 posts so far I've been reading FAQs and strategy and whatnot (I missed getting last game by a bit :/) but still had to look up OMGUS. So here is a webpage I found useful: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page I would still like to go back and read the opening day of some of the newbie games. I will do this regardless, but I think it would be beneficial for those that played in those newbie games to go back, reread, and offer analysis of those games as well (or even if you didn't play like me!) My point is we can't analyze players who haven't played any games very accurately, but we can analyze strategy of past newbie games. Your third point is some very weak finger pointing: I know it is hard to contribute on Day1 in a newbie game, but again, the only way to force... is to force it... Post anything of value to this game of mafia. Even a weak thought about who looks suspicious, who doesn't, if you think we should day1 lynch etc. Posts that say nothing "HI GUYS" are equal to not posting in my book. As are posts simply agreeing with another post. Try and post some original thought, regardless of how weak it is. I've made a spreadsheet with posts and ranked posts according to a day1-content scale I made. These are the three lowest people: 1)sc2system 2)Ninja4ever 3)Froggynoddy You all have posts, but not enough substance! ULTIMATUM: Post something of value within 8 hours or you are getting my vote! There is pretty much nothing to go by. Your content is zilch, you are putting suspicion on people who have more content than you; I have argued that forcing lurkers to post is beneficial to town, more convincingly than you have (as has seviro and to a certain extent Nova_Terra), yet you put a really weak case forward against three posters. I'm not voting for you YET but you seriously need to shape up. Accusing players who have posted content in day 1 seems scummy to me as there is so little to go by. Make a better case dude. (for all three of us) | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Ninja4ever has posted very little. I'll give you that. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 23 2012 05:24 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Day one lynching is always a solid plan to move foreward, but no real tells are showing thus far. I will likely post my thoughts about 1 hour before the deadline. But not lynching anyone only benefits the scum. He says a vaguely townie thing (i.e. not lynching is anti-town) and says something that could mean a variety of things i.e. that he won't post until last hour That could mean he is 1. noob (we all are) 2. busy (I'm working tomorrow so I kinda appreciate this point) or 3. terribad scum. Your point is well taken though and I don't mean to dismiss it. I'd just rather get rid of people who are not giving any information at all at this stage (though I am more than willing to be argued against) | ||
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ZBot
194 Posts
Remember, everyone must vote, and you need a majority to lynch (7 people in this case) Current votes: Rise Of Fenix (2): Gossemerr, Mementoss Mementoss (0): Not voting: Artanis[Xp], sc2system, Nova_Terra, michaelthe, froggynoddy, Ninja4ever., Rise Of Fenix, Seviro, virtu, BlueyD The Day deadline is at 2012-03-24 12:00:00. (That's approximately 1 day, 0:29:16 from now.) | ||
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
- Admits to not reading the rules and says some really confused stuff about voting as a result - Accuses michaelthe due to his eagerness to lynch an inactive, when many have argued we should do this - Tells michaelthe he would vote for him if there were an unlynch in the game - Doesn't actually put in a vote for michaelthe once he knows he can unvote later, says he has no reads instead - Uses really short posts frequently I don't know if the guy is awful scum or awful townie. All I know is he's awful. If he's town, he'll be absolutely useless to us, but if he's mafia, he'll quickly give himself out on the 2nd day, at this pace. I'm putting my chips on bad townie for the moment. To Rise Of Fenix: You better come up with some real information as to why you acted like you acted (see above points), or else I WILL put my vote in for your lynch. --- Ninja4Ever. and sc2system seem to be our 2 big time lurkers at the moment. They, together with Fenix, are part of my top 3 should lynch list. | ||
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Rise Of Fenix
Argentina19 Posts
I dont think I was thinking straight, and reading over my posts I have really been really playing terribly. Im sorry. However, I think it is time for a little bit of analysis. As I was suspicious of Michaelthe earlier, and then was backed up by froggy. Michael the never defended himself. I think that this is reason enough to lynch him, but until he defends himself I wont. | ||
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sc2system
Bangladesh55 Posts
Just woke up it is 6:30am over here. I am for the vote on the first day but I would feel very bad if we vote on someone who is innocent. I am still tierd and when I just quickly read through the posts you made after I went to bed. I will give you my stronger opinion around 9:00am when I wake more up. I might even post at 8:10am. Right now I am only a little bit suspicious of Fenix. But I am not ready to vote on him being lynched. Thanks and Good Morning to all the Europeans waking up right now. -System- | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On March 23 2012 14:21 Rise Of Fenix wrote: My points: I dont think I was thinking straight, and reading over my posts I have really been really playing terribly. Im sorry. However, I think it is time for a little bit of analysis. As I was suspicious of Michaelthe earlier, and then was backed up by froggy. Michael the never defended himself. I think that this is reason enough to lynch him, but until he defends himself I wont.  I couldn't help but laugh a bit, one of the main criticisms of your play is that when you wanted to accuse me then found out you could vote and change it off you still didnt.... You still arent!Anyways, I was going to post before I went to bed on the issues of the past few hours: On Fenix: The issue is whether he was legitimately confused or had some sort of contradiction. One of the things that caught my eye when Mementoss lined up Fenix's posts where these two lines: On March 23 2012 05:24 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Day one lynching is always a solid plan to move foreward, but no real tells are showing thus far. I will likely post my thoughts about 1 hour before the deadline. But not lynching anyone only benefits the scum. On March 23 2012 07:27 Rise Of Fenix wrote: What I said was not that I wouldnt post until the End, I meant i wouldnt vote until the end. . Someone pointed out that voting last minute appears scummy, but then he insists he meant vote and not post thoughts. The idea of him voting late became somewhat reasonable when we found out he didn't know you could change your vote, but the idea that he initially posted thoughts when he meant votes is still odd. Even with English as a second language, thoughts and votes are not the same. The other analysis of Fenix was based on a few other minor contradictions such as accusing without voting, saying he would vote for me but not (and again here...) and a few other minor things. The issue is simple- is Fenix just making bad plays, or is he scum making really odd contradictions. Some of the things I thought of when looking at Mementoss' criticism are 1) Most newbies games don't find a mafia in day 1, the analysis is too shaky, 2) Fenix made multiple mistakes with terms and ideas, reinforces the idea that Fenix is just making bad plays... On March 23 2012 11:44 BlueyD wrote: I don't know if the guy is awful scum or awful townie. All I know is he's awful. If he's town, he'll be absolutely useless to us, . This might be true, but we still have a few people that are lurking really hard. I was hoping to stop lurkers with my vote ultimatum, and it worked (or helped) with a few people. But we still have a few that aren't posting. After thinking about it, I think a vote for one of these is better. They are less helpful than "awful town" and also, it prevents them from being modkilled- which is real bad for the town. On Froggy You came out VERY defensive. I called for lurkers to post, and they did... But hey, that's not my strategy!: On March 23 2012 04:54 froggynoddy wrote: The decision to lynch should therefore be based on 1. information (gathered by pressuring, amongst other ways) 2. Correct analysis. But without 1. we shall never be able to do 2. And therefore any decisions to lynch will be less strong. Your turn Euro's. See you in the morning. | ||
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