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Janaan you're not helping me get over my hatred of replacements T-T
I posted my thoughts on virtu earlier, and they still stand. lemme grab them in a sec.
This still looks even more like a last ditch attempt to throw suspicion off of a scumbuddy.
Ok here is my thing on Virtu
"Virtu early game: virtu starts off by posting a couple 1-2 liners of fluff and then goes into standard agreement play where people start agreeing about day1 lurker lynches etc, and then he starts noting playstyles from last game, mine in particular. I can see how this could be useful, but as of yet he hadnt really posted anything helpful. he does randomly afk for 22 hours, which isnt good, but he does post a nice large analysis post on RoF/ System/ kinda ninja. does he use other peoples points? yes. does he effectively illustrate reasons why they are suspicious anyway? yes. still rather null on him.
he switches around a few votes trying to get system lynched, but shifts back immediately to ensure majority stays. he seems like he is trying to be helpful. he provokes some discussion on gossemerr before having to stop due to a serious RL issue (and i really hope everything is okay). overall? He tries to be helpful, makes an analysis made from points that had been stated already, but provokes discussion."
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So little happening TT gonna go to bed then
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On April 01 2012 03:25 Nova_Terra wrote:
Janaan you're not helping me get over my hatred of replacements T-T
I posted my thoughts on virtu earlier, and they still stand. lemme grab them in a sec.
This still looks even more like a last ditch attempt to throw suspicion off of a scumbuddy.
Ok here is my thing on Virtu
"Virtu early game: virtu starts off by posting a couple 1-2 liners of fluff and then goes into standard agreement play where people start agreeing about day1 lurker lynches etc, and then he starts noting playstyles from last game, mine in particular. I can see how this could be useful, but as of yet he hadnt really posted anything helpful. he does randomly afk for 22 hours, which isnt good, but he does post a nice large analysis post on RoF/ System/ kinda ninja. does he use other peoples points? yes. does he effectively illustrate reasons why they are suspicious anyway? yes. still rather null on him.
he switches around a few votes trying to get system lynched, but shifts back immediately to ensure majority stays. he seems like he is trying to be helpful. he provokes some discussion on gossemerr before having to stop due to a serious RL issue (and i really hope everything is okay). overall? He tries to be helpful, makes an analysis made from points that had been stated already, but provokes discussion."
Back for a few minutes then I'll be gone like I originally thought.
So you're telling me that in FOUR DAYS you haven't thought any more about Virtu? I know Virtu hasn't been very active in those four days, but as town you should be constantly re-evaluating your reads on people. Did his coming back to vote make him look more townie or scummy to you? It may come from WIFOM, but you can still have an opinion on it. Your original post four days ago didn't satisfy me, and you just repeating the same information, even though there's new data available doesn't change anything.
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Day 4 Vote Count.
Remember, everyone must vote, and you need a majority to lynch (3 people in this case)
Current votes:
Not voting: Nova_Terra, Mementoss, Janaan, virtu, BlueyD
The Day deadline is at 2012-04-02 12:00:00. (That's approximately 23:55:27 from now.)
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Seeing as all he has done in those last couple days is explain his absence, no, nothing in my opinion has changed not that i havent thought about him, just that my previous opinion stands. I generally dont base opinions off of WIFOM because that doesnt really get us anywhere, however if you want me to base one on WIFOM I would say that it makes him seem *a little bit* more townie to me, an extremely little bit, because he voted for the people that I wanted us to vote for as well. and not for instance myself. It at least seems that he tries to help push the correct votes.
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Day 4 Vote Count.
Remember, everyone must vote, and you need a majority to lynch (3 people in this case)
Current votes:
Not voting: Nova_Terra, Mementoss, Janaan, virtu, BlueyD
The Day deadline is at 2012-04-02 12:00:00. (That's approximately 11:53:27 from now.)
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Where is everyone? We need all of us on board if we're gonna even have a chance to lynch scum today.
In keeping with my prior suspcions, I'll be voting
##Nova_Terra
Between the 3 suspects (Nova, Virtu, BlueyD) I really think he is most likely to be scum.
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EBWOP: Helps if I put the vote: in there....
Vote: ##Nova_Terra
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....I'm a dumb. Last time, I promise.
##Vote: Nova_Terra
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Well, after Janaan's seeming attempt to redirect attention away from a scum buddy, i will go with a vote on
##Vote: BlueyD
i will be here for a little while before bed, if anyone needs me
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Just had a sudden fear that virtu might not be here and we would therefore lose...
Please return D:
Goin to bed and i hope we're alive in the morning
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The fact that BlueyD is still convinced I am not town makes me think he is mafia still ontop of the case I put on him. And while I feel Nova coulda been mafia I feel like that when the thread was dead he would try to bump it. Which a mafia would just lurk and let the town sit around.
To answer Bluey's question why I am certain there is one scum between him and Nova is because of the cases I did on both of you, you both have scummy traits (you more than him) and the fact he made an early case on you makes me think you are not both aligned together in the mafia.
The fact that Janaan (ninja) is voting nova, without a real explanation why to vote him over BlueyD, makes me think I was right about michael, bluey, ninja.
No idea what to think on virtu, it is impossible to do anything with him because of his activity. If he is scum, we will have to catch him by almost pure luck.
##Vote: BlueyD
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Who said anything about me convinced you're not town? I'm merely not convinced you're town, there's a difference. Can't I analyse you, or do anything without being branded scummy, really? And didn't I say I don't think I had much of a case on you if you were scum? Jeez...
Well, I really don't think I can save my ass, so I'll just put my vote on the on Nova like Janaan did, in a desperate attempt to keep the game going, and I'll get back here after the game to laugh at you all.
My metagame for next game: Shut up like Virtu, apparently that's good for survival and actually trying isn't.
##Vote: Nova_Terra
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^^The whole reason were in this awkward situation is because the whole town isn't active. The point of the game is not survival unless your mafia, the point of the game is to kill mafia. If you survive and get endgamed you stiil lose. Jeez. And there is nothing new that was brought to the table, you were number 1 before, and then nothing happened, so your still number 1 on my list.
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The point is survival for me because if I die, it's 2-2 and mafia wins. I wouldn't normally care about surviving or not, but the situation just calls for it. I don't have an extremely solid lynch target in sight, so
And I'd rather put a vote on Janaan or even you, but it doesn't look like that would actually pass. In such a case a Nova lynch is better for town than lynching me, from my own point of view, because I at least know it's not 100% loss.
You seem to have dismissed or just ignored a LOT of what I've said to try to convince you that I'm green, and you just keep repeating that I'm scummy, so of course I don't have anything new to offer, and all I see is our loss getting closer and closer every hour. The other guys in town seem happy to just put a vote without really explaining it (my explanation might suck in your eyes, but at least it's honest), so again, not much to reply to. So it feels a bit like a lost cause to me, really.
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Ack, 1st paragraph...
EBWOP:
(...) so all I can really do is try to defend myself and hope that, somehow, I become a less attractive lynch target. Heck, it's not like the others are giving me any activity to work with and try to make a case.
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Oh, and I might add, flagging me as the obvious #1 was a great way to stiffle discussion. We already had 2 inactives, and if any of them is mafia then they really had no reason to become active, because you went "It's michaelthe then Bluey" 2 days ago, and got Artanis's support as well. That's when the town started getting ghosty.
Virtu and Janaan were under ZERO pressure today.
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I would like to think that Virtu and Janaan aren't our BOTH mafia. If they are we are fucked already. I think the vote is between you and Nova like I stated. I didn't flag you as number 1 per say I couldn't be here for 2 days so I just said that I was thinking you at that moment and that looking over discussion could change that. Artanis originally said michael then blueyD. I need to go back over Nova's activity.
If you really are town, if you could provide some sort of new stuff against nova that anyone missed, or even how his discussion context is suspicious that would help. Im here now, and Im not locked on either you or Nova. That being said its too late for a Janaan or virtu lynch.
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I find that Janaan is taking the smart approach if he is mafia. He knows the two lynch targets today are Nova and BlueyD and by stating that both are looking scummy, he can get some heat off his back by this semi-bus tactic, if town successfully gets a mafia lynch. If Janaan is here I would like to hear his thoughts on who is a better lynch between Nova and BlueyD and why. Obviously he thinks its Nova, but why?
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Also Janaan contradicts his statement of I would like to keep a very close eye/be suspicious of on anyone putting a case on Mementoss, because he practically confirmed town. Then BlueyD the only player putting pressure/case on me. (he said he wanted to lay a case on me but never actually posted it hmm, is this because I am town and he knew it would bring negative attention to him after michaels death???)
Then ends up voting Nova, contradicting his words. Very weird.
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