I do suspect him, but I dont think he is the right lynch today. I am certain that there is a scum between you and BlueyD. Like I said Ninja4ever and virtu also quiet possibly could have a scum between them. But lynching one of them feels like a complete guess.
Ninja4ever - Is lurking only to respond with shaky responses and bandwagoning (bad town or scum?) Virtu - Just not saying anything (lurking mafia, or IRL in the way?)
Between you and BlueyD we can at least use your posts to analyse and decide who would be the best lynch. Also I think a successful lynch on one of you two would give a lot more information than a successful lynch on Ninja or virtu.
Also I am excited to hear what Artanis was planning on responding to you after the lynch. Wonder what that is about.
Ima be heading out for the rest of the night in 1.5 hours, any questions ask me. I think I said almost all I needed to say today/ within my last huge post.
I've got a real tough decision I need to make tonight. I'm making my post as late as possible to give it some more thought. It'll be up before the night post though.
i meant was why did he futher off your radar. If BlueyD flips scum, in your opinion Is Ninja or Virtu our best option (both mementoss and artanis please) Jeez, the thread really died after yesterday. seems strange not seeing pages of new posts to analyse. It really bugs me that both Ninja and Virtu havent been replaced yet. at is point its going to be rediculous if they are replaced and the replacement starts posting a crapton. which is why i think its so important to determine the best lynch of them now.
I don't think Virtu is a suspect as I have indicated earlier; I just don't think he would've bothered to vote with all the commotion in his private life unless he felt a connection to town and didn't want to 'let them down', which wouldn't have been the case as mafia since mafia knew he was probably going to die either way.
This leaves BlueyD, Nova_Terra and Ninja4ever with 2 mafia between them. Mementoss is practically green too at this point. BlueyD appears to be the best target at first. Ninja is a massive gamble where I really can't say much about. What speaks for him is that michaelthe did put him in a few lists early on which could've potentially added badly, though mafia can put other mafia in there too in case they get killed. Still, despite the WIFOM I'd find this a slight point in favor of Ninja4ever.
Before the suspicion went to Michaelthe, he tried to start a bus on Nova_Terra as well which speaks in favor of Nova_Terra, more so than Ninja4ever's case. However, one interesting little bit;
In all of Michaelthe's post, BlueyD's name is mentioned only once. BlueyD on the other hand did throw a FoS at Michael. This was however after Seviro's post where he already threw Michaelthe in front of the train and this looked to be unsalvagable. To me, this makes BlueyD the most suspicious of the three. So right now I'd go with BlueyD and Ninja4ever as the two remaining mafia.
Hey guys, I've been keeping track of the game a little bit, but I'll need some time to really read the thread closely. We're on the right track, though, one scum down already. Let me know if you have specific questions for me about events that already happened, otherwise I won't clog up the thread with my thoughts on how lynches went or previous night kills.
@Janaan welcome! @Town I'm probably going to die this night. With my last breath, I suggest you trust Mementoss. I feel he's our only chance at town victory at this point. Unless Mafia for some reason decides to kill him rather than me, please remember my last post. I suspect BlueyD and Ninja4ever (Janaan now) the most, with Nova_Terra behind him. I don't suspect Virtu for reasons posted above, and Mementoss has been a valuable aid in town.
On March 28 2012 11:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And with that, I must depart this town for the gates of Valhalla.
Artanis[Xp] had taken to patrolling the ChronoCorp lab at night in order to keep the rest of the crew safe and to at least put to use his military training. He knew it would be a thankless job since he had shot and killed an innocent man, but he did it anyways as an act of penance. Armed only with his service knife, Artanis[Xp] patrolled the lab, fighting exhaustion.
The lab is actually quite large, which made it extremely difficult for Artanis[Xp] to keep track of all crew members during his sweep. This problem was only compounded by the humming of the Time Anchor, which masked sounds, and time distortion which had recently started causing past instances of people to appear and repeat actions they had done only hours earlier. It was near the end of Artanis[Xp]'s sweep that he thought he heard hushed voices over the hum of the Time Anchor. He followed his ears closer and closer to the Time Anchor, finally crouching behind one end of the platform it occupies. If what he was hearing about cover stories and sabotage was true, then the remaining two anarchists were just on the other side of this platform!
Heart pounding, Artanis[Xp] crept around one corner of the platform, silently approached the last corner separating the two parties, and prepared to redeem himself in the eyes of the crew and save the universe with decisive action. Artanis[Xp] pounced from his hiding place, slashing viciously at the necks of the two anarchists with his service knife... only to meet no resistance. As the past instances of the anarchists started to dissipate, two things struck Artanis[Xp]. The first was that he finally knew the identities of last two anarchist. The second was a large wrench.
Artanis[Xp] was found dead the next morning, hung naked from the rafters by his wrists, with the words, "For Michaelthe" carved into his chest.
Welcome to SNMMIX, you are a Vigilante. As one of the marines assigned to oversee the rift project, you were caught in the lab when it began falling backwards through time. You have a single clip for your gun, which is enough to... terminate one suspect. Use your discretion to try to stop time itself from fracturing.
It is now day 4. You have roughly 48 hours to find someone to lynch.
The deadline is 03:00 GMT (+00:00), that means that votes at 11:59:59 will be counted, but votes at and after 12:00:00 will not.
After reading through the thread a bit, I think I'll start off with my overall reads on the players and go from there. These won't be full-on cases, just basically impressions. The order will be in order of the players list, not my suspicions.
Mementoss: Town. I don't think anyone doubts it now, and I'll be taking a VERY close look at anyone who says otherwise. After Michaelthe tried to push Mementoss, and Mementoss led Michaelthe's lynch, it's pretty clear that it was more than bussing, therefore Mementoss is town.
Virtu: It's tough to say, since he hasn't been active. I know he gave a real explanation for his absence, but that doesn't mean that he can't be scum. Artanis did bring up a good point about him coming back to vote, but at the same time, I can see him coming back to vote to not let down his scum-team. I think it's a bit WIFOM to decide his alignment just based on that. Unfortunately, with his circumstances, we may not hear much more from him, so if he IS scum, it may be hard to tell. Null read right now.
Nova_Terra: Looking scummy. I'd agree with the general opinion that Nova's posts are not looking good to me, if for no other reason than process of elimination. I can't explain things like why Michaelthe would want to vote for Nova on Day 2 if they were both scum, but trying to figure that out would just be an exercise in WIFOM. He's been posting a lot, and the posts feel a bit different from last game. It could just be him trying a different style like he said, or it could be because he's scum.
Ninja (Me now): Ninja didn't leave me in a good spot it seems. He's lurked pretty badly so far with only 2 pages of filter by day 4 and I can see why most of you guys say he was scummy. Just give me a chance to redeem myself. That's all I ask for.
BlueyD: He's been lurking almost as much as Ninja, it seems. He has about the same number of posts, they're just generally bigger. It could be an attempt to make him look more active than he actually is? In his most recent post, he promises an analysis of Mementoss, so I really look forward to seeing that. He looks a bit scummy right now, though.
Other comments: I don't think we can really deduce much from the most recent night kill. Artanis was the only 100% confirmed townie for everyone in the game, so of course scum would want to get rid of him, regardless of who the scum are.
Who I think should most likely be lynched today: I'm thinking either Nova or BlueyD. Virtu is too much of a wild card right now, I think. While he could be scum, there's not enough information to know for sure. Remember, if we don't have a medic or veteran, we're at MYLO, so we don't have the luxury of being wrong here.
If we ARE at MYLO, I suppose that it's *possible* to no lynch to gain more time for information gathering, but I personally wouldn't suggest it. If we were to do that, most likely, scum would simply kill Mementoss and we would be no better off. We'd just be without our strongest, essentially 100% confirmed, town player. If we can't come to an agreed lynch target, though, we at least have the option.
Now, everyone may have done this previously in the thread, but if possible, I'd like for everyone to give their 2 top lynch candidates for today so everything's out in the open and not buried back in the thread. At the moment, mine are, as previously stated, Nova and BlueyD.
1. Pretty sure this is a LYLO. Think thats an honest mistake. 2. The part about BlueyD? Looks to me like mafia bussing, actually. just a "bit scummy." Trying to gain towncred after he flips maybe? 3. After last game, I am naturally inclined to hate replacements. Therefore, i still think that ninja/you is the best lynch after blueyD. Even if you do a lot to try to redeem yourself. Ninjas play was scummy, and to have a replacement come in and everything is ok about them then is ridiculous. Like cosine/velinath from last game. was terrible. My top two candidates are still BlueyD and ninja/Janaan. Sorry that Artanis is gone, but kinda figured either him or mementoss would die anyway.
Then in response to your MYLO point I kinda agree with you, with the reasoning that another day without a lynch will just prolong our indecision and it would be even harder to get a collective vote the next day.
On March 31 2012 17:08 Nova_Terra wrote: 1. Pretty sure this is a LYLO. Think thats an honest mistake. 2. The part about BlueyD? Looks to me like mafia bussing, actually. just a "bit scummy." Trying to gain towncred after he flips maybe? 3. After last game, I am naturally inclined to hate replacements. Therefore, i still think that ninja/you is the best lynch after blueyD. Even if you do a lot to try to redeem yourself. Ninjas play was scummy, and to have a replacement come in and everything is ok about them then is ridiculous. Like cosine/velinath from last game. was terrible. My top two candidates are still BlueyD and ninja/Janaan. Sorry that Artanis is gone, but kinda figured either him or mementoss would die anyway.
2. Funny. I was just thinking the same thing about you. However, there IS another possibility. Since you seem adamant that BlueyD and I should be suspects, it could be that you and Virtu are the scummy ones. Tell me, just what do you think about Virtu? As it stands now, you have only even mentioned him in your posts about 5 times, and most of those were just asking him to post because "we need everyone". The only reads you've given were Null, "40% chance of being mafia".
Just for fun, lets see how much Virtu has talked about you. After the early game, talking about your meta from last game, one quote about Artanis's vig shot: + Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2012 17:10 Nova_Terra wrote: Yeah, If you are the vig artanis you should have waited. We could have had a free mafia death at some point. At least, sc2system was relatively worthless, so it should be a bit easier to go scumhunting.
It sucks he flips green but I think we'd have had a really hard time convincing people to lynch someone other than him tonight. Making statements like he enjoys confusing people, and voting for no lynch on day1 when everyone agreed that's probably the worst possible town outcome?
As you said, should make it easier to scumhunt now.
The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. Thoughts on this, anyone?
EBWOP: I'll be gone for most of the day in about an hour (I'm in college, and my parents are in town this weekend, so I'll be spending time with them, then my GF in the evening) so I won't be back on until late. Probably around 12-14 hours from now.
No, nonono guys, it's not MYLO, it's LYLO. It's 3-2. Mementoss, ninja/Janaan, Nova, Bluey, Virtu. 5 of us, 2 scum. Lynch no one and we fall at 2-2 tomorrow night, and mafia wins. We HAVE to lynch today.
I'd like to request that the discussion today revolve around who we lynch today. As of now, it’s entirely useless to discuss strategy for days we won’t get to at this rate.
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I stand by my earlier analysis on 3 of you. I thought Nova was scum, but now I think “leaning town” because michael tried to switch the votes to him on the day we lynched Seviro, which could very well have worked. Ninja/Janaan is more suspicious than Virtu, but it’s hard to know with the guy hardly being active. Between those 3, I’d say Ninja/Janaan is most likely to be the scum. But I’ve said all that already.
Ah, but we have 2 scum left, don’t we? Who’s the other one? The answer is, I don’t know. I’m taking it 1 day at a time right now.
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Just a few questions to town about mementoss…
First, how is he still alive? How come the greenest of the green, the town leader, survives to this day over froggynoddy and Gossemer? If I’d been mafia I would’ve taken him down on the first day, unless of course he were mafia as well, given that it was pretty clear from last game that he doesn’t really belong in a newbie game. Does he just have mad surviving skills, or is he simply on the side that doesn’t get night hit?
Second, let’s take a hypothetical situation: You’re scum, you’re clearly about to be lynched and nothing will save you. You have one last opportunity to attack someone. Do you…
a) Attack a townie, hoping the town still believes your attacks are legit when you flip scum. b) Attack another scum, making him look greener when you die.
It’s pretty obvious to me that michaelthe had zero chance of making a mementoss lynch pass at that moment, that any attacks he could make would backfire once he was revealed as scum, and that he used some very weak arguments unlikely to convince anyone, so this looks more like B than A to me.
I’d love to make a stronger case against mementoss, but the truth is he’s very good, and that’s pretty much all I have. And it’s a WIFOM, and of course he’s gonna win these by being seen as a greenie by eeeeeeveryone.
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Mementoss, I’d like to ask another question. You said:
I am certain that there is a scum between you [Nova] and BlueyD.
EPT
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