@Janaan welcome!
@Everyone as you may have noticed I've said that Mementoss is basically as green as me. That was not true and it's an attempt in the case that if he is town as well, he may get hit instead which would clear him and still give us one confirmed townie; me. Looking back at his posts there's quite a few things that I find interesting.
Exhibit A: Michaelthe scumtell
omfg, michael that was the stupidest move ever if you are town. Seriously, there is no town logic behind it. I thought of what you said too, that last minute mafia could vote switch for the no lynch due to us not having virtu, but guess what. It would be fucking stupid because it would bring all eyes on them and we could connect the dotes and kill there whole team in a couple swipes. As of now switching your vote makes a no-lynch more likely so you completely contradicted yourself. I am so confused right now, GJ mafia your doing your job.
Alright, michael is now officially looking scum for me.
Michaelthe came up with a bad mafia plan which prompted Mementoss to instantly reply to it and claim that he's scum. The good part about this is that Michaelthe turned out to be mafia. The bad part; it's a terrible mafia play because you draw attention to yourself with it and it's a dumb plan which anyone with logic behind him can point out. It's too obvious, and Mementoss is smart enough to know that. Yet, he still decided to post about it.
Exhibit B: Inconsistency
On March 22 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote:
Another thing I learned from last game and I think Nova_Terra will agree with me is, making connections (or anti-connections) between players is absolutely useless until the town flips its first scum. Keep track of it for all means, just no need to post it until scum is flipped and it can be used with case analysis (can't stand alone as a case). Cause you can literally find these connections between most players, its just the nature of the game, and the town trying to work as a team.
Four days later..
On March 26 2012 21:38 Mementoss wrote:
If we lynch Seviro and Seviro flips town, Michael would be highly suspicious and so would Nova Terra.
If we lynch Seviro and Seviro flips scum, Michael would be off my radar, and Nova would still remain suspicious.
Making connections before anyone flips scum. Very inconsistent and makes no sense. His defense when Gossemerr pointed this out was this:
How is the above a connection? I did not connect 2 players, I basically said what information we could get from the flip. As for the lynch, I actually think going for a Nova lynch in a lynch right or lose situation is a really risky move. And would rather go for these new suspicions from the flip/Seviro's confirmed town last dieing words.
I'd consider it a very clear connection. Saying what information you can get from the flip basically equals a connection.
Exhibit C: Back and forth pulling with michaelthe
Michaelthe, knowing he will die, decides to accuse Mementoss. What's the best way to make someone look innocent if you're scum? Accuse them. Michaelthe went from a period of semi-inactivity to accusing Mementoss as much as he could, though not very effectively. Circumstancial evidence, but it does point towards Mementoss. Sacrificing Michaelthe would also reveal him to be a very reliable player, and given mafia only needs one mislynch to win at this point, a small price to pay to ensure at least one mislynch.
Exhibit D: Gossemerr's death
Before Day 3, there were 2 'town leaders', and one 'deputy' if I may, being Gossemerr. Mementoss and I mostly led the town and Gossemerr came up with some dirt on Mementoss, and showed that despite not having posted much he could start doing so now and turn town on Mementoss after all. Killing me would not sway town away from that. Killing Gossemerr and preventing further analysis would, and anything else could be blamed on WIFOM.
Exhibit E: Voting record
On the first day, he mentions he wants to kill a lurker unless someone makes a significant scum slip. Said scum slip befell on me, yet he did not push for my lynch but rather that of Rise Of Fenix, and later sc2system after his posts. Also, he first votes a lot for Nova_Terra then later decides to move targets to everyone but Nova_Terra. This leads me to believe that if Mementoss is indeed mafia, his buddy is Nova_Terra as he can quote past posts and note how he distanced himself from Nova. It must be noted however that Momentoss didn't instantly bus me when I made the so called Scum slip, which does improve his image as a townie.
Exhibit F: Scum slip
On March 27 2012 20:49 Mementoss wrote:
We want people to keep the discussion up or the town is doomed. Don't worry about dieing, worry about saying something that leads to a scum kill after your death. Honestly, I don't think anyone should be worried about dieing. There are only two possible mafia kills in my eyes.
1. Artanis
2. Mementoss
Probably not me anymore because I am thought of as less green than before by a couple townies.
Something Michaelthe pointed out. I don't consider it very significant as I made a 'scum slip' too but was townie, nevertheless it is worth nothing. The meta case by Gosse I didn't find particularly interesting either; looking like a super green townie is always in your best interest, whether mafia or town, so I found that a weak reason.
With this post, I'm not calling for a lynch of Mementoss. I'm asking town to look at him critically and then make a unified decision. I would suggest following Virtu's lead, because I believe him to be the closest thing to a green that town has right now, and I'm pretty sure town would at least not be led by a mafia, in which case we've lost already.
Mementoss has also said a lot of things that made sense and given the amount of posts he's made it's possible that these are simply some of the mistakes he's made. However, there's also a very real chance that he's mafia. Read over the thread again and draw your own conclusions.
EPT
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