• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:39
CEST 14:39
KST 21:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up2PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition245.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)99$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 151Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada11
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version) Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition ZvT - Army Composition - Slow Lings + Fast Banes Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle Stellar Fest $2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On BarrackS' ASL S20 Ro.8 Review&Power of Friendship BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Proposed Glossary of Strategic Uncertainty Current Meta TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art 9 hatch vs 10 hatch vs 12 hatch
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
[AI] From Comfort Women to …
Peanutsc
Mental Health In Esports: Wo…
TrAiDoS
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1678 users

BW Fans switching to Dota/LoL? - Page 4

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
July 08 2012 15:54 GMT
#61
On July 09 2012 00:28 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 23:38 GTR wrote:
All BW fans hate SC2? That is one of the dumbest overgeneralization's I've read on this forum.

All SC2 fans make dumb overgeneralizations like this all the time.


I see what you did there



As for my personal opinion, with friends / clan, moba games are superior when it comes to fun, but when you are alone, the chat in LoL is fucking disaster.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
July 08 2012 15:54 GMT
#62
On July 09 2012 00:42 Slow Motion wrote:
And to explain how RTS players can find MOBA interesting and deep. MOBA's add the new element of teamwork. This completely changes how we have to look at strategy. Teamwork and synergy is at least as important if not more so than individual skill. Also in MOBAs we can see more exciting feats of micro than in RTS.

I think it's ridiculous to imply that BW fans hate SC2 so much they are going to another game they don't enjoy as much. As for you not understanding why we like LoL/DOTA, that's okay, but realize it's just a matter of preference and taste. I don't get how people can like black licorice for example, but I'm not self-centered enough to think they are eating it just to get back at me.

Edit: also I think it would be interesting to see if a higher percentage of RTS players like to play roles in MOBA that control and dictate the pace of the game (such as jungler). I find myself enjoying that kind of position more than roles where you are focused on the tactics needed to win the lane than the overall big picture (although the interesting and frustrating part of this is that you not only have to create the strategy, you also have to have the leadership skills to get 4 people/strangers to follow you).


I am an RTS player, and I like to play tank, jungler, and support (if my team is good) the most. :D
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
July 08 2012 15:55 GMT
#63
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.

Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics.
Master Chief
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:00:58
July 08 2012 16:00 GMT
#64
On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.

Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics.


I never hoped for a direct StarCraft port, I just hoped for a good game. I didn't get it.

Edit: Although now that I think about it, a direct port would have been better, since SC2 turned out to be trash in comparison.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
SilverWolfe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
July 08 2012 16:02 GMT
#65
OK I will admit that it was a poor choice of me to say that it seems like BW fans all hate SC2. I should have said that there seems to be a lot of BW fans who dislike the game and that's the impression I get. Although I will say that I've seen so many BW fans post about what a terrible game SC2 is that the only conclusion I can draw is that some people actually hate the game.

Also I will say that I like BW and SC2, and I think OSL right now is the most interesting tournament to watch. But the fact is that KeSPA/OGN want to have their players being a part of a global eSport, and because BW is so Korean-only in terms of the skill/viewers/players it is not surprising that they want to have an SC2 league. Whether or not it was a good idea to force BW players to switch to SC2 is a matter of debate (I think the ideal situation is to have two OSLs, OSL BW and OSL2 if you will and give the players the choice of what game they want to play). The Hybrid Proleague is pretty ridiculous though.

On July 09 2012 00:26 SnowFantasy wrote:
SilverWolfe I'm just curious.

how old are you?

21 in 2 months.

On July 09 2012 00:23 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 00:17 SilverWolfe wrote:
I think that for people who think that SC2 is a worse game than BW, as it is now you are objectively correct, but I think that you have to consider that BW games back when BW just came out (or even SCvanilla) were much, much worse than watching something like Flash vs Effort now. This is a time when people were still figuring out how to play the game, and as a result the quality of those old games weren't as good as modern BW games. BW has had 14 years and an expansion to let it's metagame flourish, and flourish it has. The way I see it SC2 might not be as developed a game and people still haven't fully figured out everything about it, but there is a new expansion coming out that will sort of 'reset' the skill levels with the introduction of new units/abilities/maps. The game will change over time, and even watching GSL games now compared to the old open seasons of 2010, there is already a WORLD of difference in the games. To me, each season of GSL just gets better and better. When HotS causes a reset in the skill/metagame, I think that the BW players will suddenly be on an even field compared to the current SC2 pros.

To me BW just seems like such an outdated game that relies on you to do so many things the game should just do itself. Things like how poor the pathfinding is, having to rally workers manually to minerals, the lack of smartcasting and multiple building selection don't actually add anything to the game. Technically, you could individually click and cast with each spellcaster, have only 12 units in each control group, individually click every production building to make units and rally your workers in front of your base and manually move them yourself in SC2. There's nothing stopping you from doing that, but why would you? It just makes the game harder to play.

As much as I love BW sometimes I feel like the only reason you find something like a good set of storms or something being amazing is because you know as a BW player how hard it is to actually do that. If you saw it happen in SC2, you know it's easier to do. To me forcing the players to have to spread their attention over this kind of minor things was fine 10 years ago perhaps when game/computer technology was different, but now there is no point for it. This kind of thing just detracts from the focus on strategy and actual unit control in the game. BW players who are so used to doing these minute things will probably find that they can spread their attention more over the actual game when they have fully switched to SC2.


Dude

1: When SC2 gets better than BW, I will switch and enjoy it. But why the fuck should I do it now? I don't care if it's going to get better than BW in 5 years, right now it isn't.

2: Even if BW had the easy mechanics of SC2, it would still be a better game. It has more interesting races, better design, and is more intellectualy stimulating. Once you get good at BW and you learn the mechanics, they are no longer an issue anyway. And when you get to that level, you realize that BW has more fun and interesting strategy.

Or maybe you don't. Maybe you prefer SC2, and that's fine if you really do like SC2 more. But that's all it is - you like SC2 more. Don't give me all this bullshit about not wanting to move on, being bitter, and so on.

Besides, what's wrong with having mechanical requirements and skill-based things in a game? It is a REAL TIME strategy game. Speed is always going to matter more or less. If you don't like that, that's fine, but it does not make the game worse. A fighting game that has hard combos isn't worse than a fighting game that has easy combos. The game takes both strategic thinking and skill-based execution, and there is nothing wrong with that. And if you remove all mechanics from both SC2 and BW, I will still prefer BW.

It's just a better game for me, that's it. There is no nostalgia, prejudice, or bias. Some people like BW and DotA but not SC2. Some people like SC2 but not BW. That's all there is to it, stop making a big deal out of the people who like BW and DotA but not SC2.

Edit: And when I say mechanics are no longer an issue, I mean that they no longer impede your enjoyment of the game, or limit which strategies you can use. Mechanics and speed become part of the strategic game. It is a resource that you must spend wisely. You can also force your opponent to spend it certain areas, and use strategies that take less apm for you than it takes for him to respond. It adds another strategic layer to the game.


I just want to thank you for this post. This has helped to open my eyes as to why some people prefer BW/Dota over SC2. Personally I think that if players have to spend less time on menial mechanics, they can focus their attention to more of the 'actual' game (positioning/moving units, taking bases, scouting, spellcasting etc.) which will make the game itself better, but that's just my opinion. I hadn't thought of it in terms of attention as a resource like minerals/gas.

I guess what I've gotten out of this thread is that there are people who actually like dota/LoL more than BW/SC2 which I found unbelievable but I guess it's true. To me the only games I feel I can enjoy playing/watching are BW/SC2, I have tried playing/watching Dota/LoL but I have never been able to understand why people like it. That's just me I guess.
Terran Master Race: Mvp ByuN TaeJa aLive Maru Ryung SuperNoVa FlaSh Xellos firebathero ForGG BoxeR iloveoov FanTaSy Sea KeeN GanZi GuMiho StC ThorZaIN Happy MMA Marineking Clide TOP Sculp jjakji Virus Polt Goody Fenix Bomber. Zerg Mad, Protoss Jelly.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 08 2012 16:02 GMT
#66
On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote:
The thing that I'm gonna ask about is that I've noticed a lot of SC2 fans have decided to start playing/watching SC2 over BW. Now this is something I genuinely cannot understand. Coming from the perspective of someone who has played/watched BW, it just seems ludicrous to me to think that SC2 offers even half the entertainment of BW. To me it just seems odd how some people could genuinely prefer this game over BW, in fact I have a hard time believing it's a genuine enjoyment of SC2.


See what I did there?

It's a matter of subjective taste. You may find Starcraft 2 entertaining to watch, but that doesn't mean other people will. You may not find DotA entertaining to watch, but that doesn't mean other people won't.

I'm sorry if you find it distressing that not everyone shares your opinions, but that is something you will have to come to terms with in life.
BW forever || Thall
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
July 08 2012 16:09 GMT
#67
On July 09 2012 01:02 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote:
The thing that I'm gonna ask about is that I've noticed a lot of SC2 fans have decided to start playing/watching SC2 over BW. Now this is something I genuinely cannot understand. Coming from the perspective of someone who has played/watched BW, it just seems ludicrous to me to think that SC2 offers even half the entertainment of BW. To me it just seems odd how some people could genuinely prefer this game over BW, in fact I have a hard time believing it's a genuine enjoyment of SC2.


See what I did there?

It's a matter of subjective taste. You may find Starcraft 2 entertaining to watch, but that doesn't mean other people will. You may not find DotA entertaining to watch, but that doesn't mean other people won't.

I'm sorry if you find it distressing that not everyone shares your opinions, but that is something you will have to come to terms with in life.


I was just going to post about the irony in OPs post. This illustrates it pretty well :D
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
SilverWolfe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:31:08
July 08 2012 16:11 GMT
#68
On July 09 2012 00:47 JeffGoldblum wrote:
Man, it never crossed my mind until I read this thread but when the pro teams and MBC Game shut down this forum manifested itself into a public, group walk-through of the five stages of grief. Fascinating.


EDIT: so apparently people have no sense of humor.

The really sad part comes after the end of this OSL... I am gonna miss watching them play BW.


User was temp banned for this post.
Terran Master Race: Mvp ByuN TaeJa aLive Maru Ryung SuperNoVa FlaSh Xellos firebathero ForGG BoxeR iloveoov FanTaSy Sea KeeN GanZi GuMiho StC ThorZaIN Happy MMA Marineking Clide TOP Sculp jjakji Virus Polt Goody Fenix Bomber. Zerg Mad, Protoss Jelly.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
July 08 2012 16:19 GMT
#69
dude, get this picture out of here...
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:21:39
July 08 2012 16:21 GMT
#70
^SilverWolfe wtf?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
July 08 2012 16:22 GMT
#71
I love people who troll their own thread.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
SilverWolfe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
July 08 2012 16:23 GMT
#72
Oh come on. This forum has plenty of posts where people make fun of SC2 (Unimpressed Flash etc.), you guys should be able to take at least one about BW.
Terran Master Race: Mvp ByuN TaeJa aLive Maru Ryung SuperNoVa FlaSh Xellos firebathero ForGG BoxeR iloveoov FanTaSy Sea KeeN GanZi GuMiho StC ThorZaIN Happy MMA Marineking Clide TOP Sculp jjakji Virus Polt Goody Fenix Bomber. Zerg Mad, Protoss Jelly.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:25:49
July 08 2012 16:24 GMT
#73
lol wat ^ LOL
so you are admitting that you made this thread to flame BW and its fans. NICE ROFL
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:27:30
July 08 2012 16:26 GMT
#74
On July 09 2012 01:23 SilverWolfe wrote:
Oh come on. This forum has plenty of posts where people make fun of SC2 (Unimpressed Flash etc.), you guys should be able to take at least one about BW.


For a 21 year old, you should be ashamed of your maturity.

P.S. way to delegate the SC2 fans like that.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
TrainSamurai
Profile Joined November 2010
339 Posts
July 08 2012 16:26 GMT
#75
On July 09 2012 01:23 SilverWolfe wrote:
Oh come on. This forum has plenty of posts where people make fun of SC2 (Unimpressed Flash etc.), you guys should be able to take at least one about BW.


How the hell do you see humour in that?
LoL is the greatest thing to happen to ESPORS. LoL is the KING of ESPORTS
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
July 08 2012 16:26 GMT
#76
what a stupid troll
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 08 2012 16:26 GMT
#77
do you seriously think people are upset because that's a picture about bw?
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
July 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#78
On July 09 2012 00:17 SilverWolfe wrote:
I think that for people who think that SC2 is a worse game than BW, as it is now you are objectively correct, but I think that you have to consider that BW games back when BW just came out (or even SCvanilla) were much, much worse than watching something like Flash vs Effort now. This is a time when people were still figuring out how to play the game, and as a result the quality of those old games weren't as good as modern BW games. BW has had 14 years and an expansion to let it's metagame flourish, and flourish it has. The way I see it SC2 might not be as developed a game and people still haven't fully figured out everything about it, but there is a new expansion coming out that will sort of 'reset' the skill levels with the introduction of new units/abilities/maps. The game will change over time, and even watching GSL games now compared to the old open seasons of 2010, there is already a WORLD of difference in the games. To me, each season of GSL just gets better and better. When HotS causes a reset in the skill/metagame, I think that the BW players will suddenly be on an even field compared to the current SC2 pros.

To me BW just seems like such an outdated game that relies on you to do so many things the game should just do itself. Things like how poor the pathfinding is, having to rally workers manually to minerals, the lack of smartcasting and multiple building selection don't actually add anything to the game. Technically, you could individually click and cast with each spellcaster, have only 12 units in each control group, individually click every production building to make units and rally your workers in front of your base and manually move them yourself in SC2. There's nothing stopping you from doing that, but why would you? It just makes the game harder to play.

As much as I love BW sometimes I feel like the only reason you find something like a good set of storms or something being amazing is because you know as a BW player how hard it is to actually do that. If you saw it happen in SC2, you know it's easier to do. To me forcing the players to have to spread their attention over this kind of minor things was fine 10 years ago perhaps when game/computer technology was different, but now there is no point for it. This kind of thing just detracts from the focus on strategy and actual unit control in the game. BW players who are so used to doing these minute things will probably find that they can spread their attention more over the actual game when they have fully switched to SC2.


Is this what the majority of the SC2 crowd thinks? About the outdated UI and graphics only?
Its the game design that is the killer feature. Way better unit interaction, dynamics and gameplay as well as better to watch (sc2 deathballs, Current hot issue in sc2 is removing deathballs and make units dont clump up right? ).

You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#79
i thought it was funny cause it labeled us as BW fags
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66307 Posts
July 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#80
21 years old yeah sure ok
POGGERS
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
10:00
Master Swan Open #96
CranKy Ducklings107
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 402
Lowko331
LamboSC2 79
ProTech74
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 33331
Bisu 2436
Larva 1165
Barracks 819
actioN 355
Hyun 193
Backho 79
Sea.KH 71
yabsab 52
ToSsGirL 51
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 26
PianO 24
ivOry 17
Terrorterran 13
HiyA 13
Sacsri 11
Icarus 8
Dota 2
Dendi1529
qojqva1138
XcaliburYe377
420jenkins312
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1906
x6flipin440
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor211
Other Games
singsing2539
B2W.Neo974
hiko439
Pyrionflax358
crisheroes320
RotterdaM233
Mew2King51
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1384
• Jankos821
Other Games
• WagamamaTV283
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 21m
Map Test Tournament
22h 21m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 11h
Map Test Tournament
1d 22h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Map Test Tournament
2 days
Map Test Tournament
3 days
OSC
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Map Test Tournament
4 days
OSC
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
Safe House 2
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Map Test Tournament
5 days
OSC
5 days
IPSL
6 days
dxtr13 vs Napoleon
Doodle vs OldBoy
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Team Wars
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Acropolis #4 - TS2
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
Frag Blocktober 2025
Urban Riga Open #1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
WardiTV TLMC #15
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.