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On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really. Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments. Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.
What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims?
I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.
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On May 08 2011 00:48 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really. Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments. Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players. What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims? I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.
It was the exact same when Jinro still actually won games, droves of Swedes making baseless claims about him being the best in the world. Look how that ended up.
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On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
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On May 07 2011 22:47 Vinx wrote:
Naniwa and Morrow I'd say are the most proven to have similar results but new leagues are for new stars to shine I say! GO Whitera/Slush!
The new star white-ra...
but go naniwa!
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On May 08 2011 00:52 throttled wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
I think he means including Korea. In which case, yeah, Kiwikaki and Select probably aren't "anything like top level".
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On May 08 2011 00:52 throttled wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
We have a winner. Jinro was top level at some point though that's for sure, and he got pretty unlucky with draw this GSL by basically losing twice against possibly the best player in the world and going into up and down for it.
Select is a borderline Code S player, not good enough to get to the latter stages of Code S consistantly but probably better than most of Code A.
Kiwi is a Code A player at best.
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
LOOOOOL.
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This is the preliminary week4 output my NASL Prospectus: division projections. It is an TLPD-elo based projection that takes account of the individual division strengths.
Looking at this output,  NaNiwa is probably the strongest 3-1 player and almost guaranteed to take one of the auto-qualifying spots. Of the rest, the projection is least optimistic about iNcontroL and  July and only expect them to make it into the playoffs.
Div Name ELO Record Points
3 Naniwa 2,339 7 12
2 July 2,086 5 3
1 Moon 2,196 6 6
3 Squirtle 2,149 5 1
2 DarKFoRcE 2,169 6 4
1 MorroW 2,136 6 4
2 White-Ra 2,151 6 4
2 iNcontroL 2,059 5 -1
3 Slush 2,137 5 1
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I think either Naniwa or July Zerg in this division.
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Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.
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On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.
lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder?
IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Probably on the basis that he wins pretty much everything he plays.
On topic I think Nani has the biggest chance.
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July and Squirtle even with the lag still kicking ass and beating everyone
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[B]On May 08 2011 01 Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Probably on the basis that he wins pretty much everything he plays.
The best thing he's done in SC2 so far in any meaningful tournament was getting crushed by MC in the Copenhagen games, a tournament featuring about 6 'known' players, of which Kas beat one before MC went 4-0 against him.
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Naniwa. Incontrol doesn't deserve to be on that list.
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On May 08 2011 00:50 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:48 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really. Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments. Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players. What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims? I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL. It was the exact same when Jinro still actually won games, droves of Swedes making baseless claims about him being the best in the world. Look how that ended up.
Yeah well I'm not making claims like that, what I said didn't even really have anything to do with Naniwa
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself.
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Müsliforce (Darkforce) FTW
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Naniwa, by far is more superior
also july
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EPT
