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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 07 2011 15:48 GMT
#61
On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.


ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.

At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.

At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.

As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.

Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.


lol, what kind of post is this
KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good.
Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD


Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really.

Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments.

Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.


What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims?
I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 07 2011 15:50 GMT
#62
On May 08 2011 00:48 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.


ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.

At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.

At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.

As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.

Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.


lol, what kind of post is this
KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good.
Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD


Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really.

Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments.

Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.


What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims?
I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.


It was the exact same when Jinro still actually won games, droves of Swedes making baseless claims about him being the best in the world. Look how that ended up.
throttled
Profile Joined August 2010
United States382 Posts
May 07 2011 15:52 GMT
#63
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.


ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.

At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.

At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.

As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.

Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.


If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
"Look to the river rushing. Unparalleled in its power. It carves away at the land, eroding the banks, consuming the sands and washes away to her majesty."
dmans
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden358 Posts
May 07 2011 15:52 GMT
#64
On May 07 2011 22:47 Vinx wrote:
Naniwa and Morrow I'd say are the most proven to have similar results but new leagues are for new stars to shine I say! GO Whitera/Slush!

The new star white-ra...


but go naniwa!
Tarot
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada440 Posts
May 07 2011 15:55 GMT
#65
On May 08 2011 00:52 throttled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.


ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.

At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.

At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.

As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.

Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.


If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.

I think he means including Korea. In which case, yeah, Kiwikaki and Select probably aren't "anything like top level".
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 07 2011 15:55 GMT
#66
On May 08 2011 00:52 throttled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.


ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.

At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.

At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.

As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.

Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.


If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.


We have a winner. Jinro was top level at some point though that's for sure, and he got pretty unlucky with draw this GSL by basically losing twice against possibly the best player in the world and going into up and down for it.

Select is a borderline Code S player, not good enough to get to the latter stages of Code S consistantly but probably better than most of Code A.

Kiwi is a Code A player at best.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
May 07 2011 15:56 GMT
#67
On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.

LOOOOOL.
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 16:02:34
May 07 2011 15:57 GMT
#68
This is the preliminary week4 output my NASL Prospectus: division projections. It is an TLPD-elo based projection that takes account of the individual division strengths.

Looking at this output, (P)NaNiwa is probably the strongest 3-1 player and almost guaranteed to take one of the auto-qualifying spots. Of the rest, the projection is least optimistic about (P)iNcontroL and (Z)July and only expect them to make it into the playoffs.

Div	Name		ELO	Record	Points
3 Naniwa 2,339 7 12
2 July 2,086 5 3
1 Moon 2,196 6 6
3 Squirtle 2,149 5 1
2 DarKFoRcE 2,169 6 4
1 MorroW 2,136 6 4
2 White-Ra 2,151 6 4
2 iNcontroL 2,059 5 -1
3 Slush 2,137 5 1

Thank God and gunrun.
HOTSLocusT
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada10 Posts
May 07 2011 16:00 GMT
#69
I think either Naniwa or July Zerg in this division.
兵者诡道也。War is a game of deception.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
May 07 2011 16:00 GMT
#70
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 07 2011 16:04 GMT
#71
On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.


lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder?

IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
May 07 2011 16:08 GMT
#72
Nani of course!
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 16:09:58
May 07 2011 16:09 GMT
#73
On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.


lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder?

IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.

Probably on the basis that he wins pretty much everything he plays.
On topic I think Nani has the biggest chance.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
May 07 2011 16:10 GMT
#74
July and Squirtle even with the lag still kicking ass and beating everyone
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 07 2011 16:11 GMT
#75
[B]On May 08 2011 01
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.


lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder?

IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.

Probably on the basis that he wins pretty much everything he plays.


The best thing he's done in SC2 so far in any meaningful tournament was getting crushed by MC in the Copenhagen games, a tournament featuring about 6 'known' players, of which Kas beat one before MC went 4-0 against him.
scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
May 07 2011 16:12 GMT
#76
Naniwa. Incontrol doesn't deserve to be on that list.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 07 2011 16:12 GMT
#77
On May 08 2011 00:50 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 00:48 hugman wrote:
On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.


ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.

At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.

At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.

As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.

Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.


lol, what kind of post is this
KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good.
Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD


Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really.

Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments.

Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.


What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims?
I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.


It was the exact same when Jinro still actually won games, droves of Swedes making baseless claims about him being the best in the world. Look how that ended up.

Yeah well I'm not making claims like that, what I said didn't even really have anything to do with Naniwa
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
May 07 2011 16:22 GMT
#78
On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.


lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder?

IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.


Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
May 07 2011 16:28 GMT
#79
Müsliforce (Darkforce) FTW
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
May 07 2011 16:30 GMT
#80
Naniwa, by far is more superior
also july
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