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On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments.
July is the best player . Naniwa is really good , but the amount of experience and confidence july has from BW gives him the edge against players of his skill level . July is also really confident against foreigners as shown in the Korea vs the world and doesn't underestimate them .
Other then that every player on that list is really good and it's hard to say who is the best even thought right now Naniwa has really good results in recent tournaments .
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On May 08 2011 00:03 dragoonier wrote:
Naniwa never beat or never had the chance to beat a Korean player under fair conditions. Sure he is in great form but without any games to compare you really can't make him the favourite over all koreans. If July makes it in top16, I think he has a chance to win it all, as there are no more disadvantages for koreans at that point. Not only lag is a factor but also the very late hours the games are played at. So I would rank the top three in that group July, Naniwa and Squirtle
I'm confindent that Naniwa will win the Road to Korea contest and we may see what he's made of.
As far as I recall, Jinro handily won MLG Dallas and went on to do fairly well in the GSL. I know the games changed much since then but I feel history may repeat itself.
All I'm saying is don't be surprised if Naniwa finishes top of his division.
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JulyZerg for sure, if latency doesnt play role that is.
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On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.
At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.
At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.
As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.
Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
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On May 07 2011 23:49 Fleuria wrote:
Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did
That's most likely because he hasn't played anyone remotely approaching good.
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DarkForce is pretty under-rated. I'd say July though. Korea -> US can't be easy.
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Should be two different questions... best 3-1 player who hasn't actually lost and best 3-1 player who has lost
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On May 08 2011 00:11 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 23:49 Fleuria wrote:
Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did That's most likely because he hasn't played anyone remotely approaching good.
Yes because every top top NA EU player he has crushed the last month arn't good...
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Artosis!!.... oh.. wait...
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On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost.
Picking morrow sounds fairly biased as well. His ZvT is godlike but his other matchups haven't been that good lately. He'll drop out vs any good zerg/toss in the playoffs :<
on topic: July and Nani.
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
Nani has beaten idra several times. -_-
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On May 08 2011 00 19 Fleuria wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:11 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 23:49 Fleuria wrote:
Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did That's most likely because he hasn't played anyone remotely approaching good. Yes because every top top NA EU player he has crushed the last month arn't good...
Please list the 'top' players Naniwa has beaten in a LAN enviroment.
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Naniwa has not only won MLG. He's been the most convincing player in TSL, he:s 10-1 in black dragon league, he won 2011 Gadget Show Live Invitational in a commanding fashion. And he's most certainly not facing scrubs.
The last time he lost a BoX was in Mars against Sen in GCPL. Since then he's undefeated. He has dropped games occasionally in an extended series, but he's never lost a BoX.
I think it's fair to say he's the man to beat in the foreign scene.
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On May 08 2011 00 :22 VoirDire wrote:
He's been the most convincing player in TSL
Because his route to the semi was a joke.
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Naniwa, as White-ra he actually is 3-0, so both still undefeated, and NaNi is in amazing shape right now.
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On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
lol, what kind of post is this
KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good.
Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD
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On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost.
you're all such fan boys for basing who you think the best player is on results
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On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD
Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really.
Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments.
Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.
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july is probably the best player from that list. And then Naniwa/whitera round out the top 3 imo
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Slush might be the most under rated player in NA...
I remember listening to SOTG and I don't remember who it was, but they were talking about the top 16 players and who has the best chance to win and stuff and people were like Slush eh who else is in this group? But the guy has been consistently at the top at MLG. He finished 9th last time I think, don't remember exactly who he lost to, but he did good in his group and he didn't steal his spot in the top 10.
He's not the guy that you go 2 days before MLG, he's going to win it all, but everytime he beats good players and his consistency with all the UP Zerg stuff and how people say it's impossible to scout and you never know what's coming the guy does an impressive job at being at the top of his game when it counts.
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I would definitely say Naniwa, his recent performances have just been insane. If you really think about it though, one of those losses was an w/o and not even a result of his play. I'm sure his game versus strelok would've been crazy good.
If it wasn't naniwa though, i'd probably say white-ra, just for his consistent performance all over the world for years.
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