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On May 08 2011 01:31 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself. Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet. Before someone else points it out, Kas knocked out Nada from TSL and I don't think anyone argues that it was even an even somewhat close fight. Having that said Kas TvT seems to be his strongest match up by far(his TvZ seems to be his achillies heal at the moment) and I'm sure it was not Nadas best day either.
On the other stuff. Many look at who people beat and how when they form their opinions about players, which is can be completely unrelated to major tournament results. Threads like this are not about who won most GSLs obviously or this thread would not exist.
Of the 3-1's it feels like all of them can probably beat the other 3-1s. I don't even want to try to rank them right now, I would just regret it in a couple of weeks.
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot.
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On May 08 2011 02:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot.
I don't get why so many people home in on the most extreme of posts in the thread and creates a big deal about it. Saying nobody comes close to Naniwa is such an extreme hyperbole that he's either trolling or represent a minuscule portion of the fan base in his opinions. Either way you are not going to get the answers you are looking for so why bother? It will just serve to derail the thread.
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On May 08 2011 02:39 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 02:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot. I don't get why so many people home in on the most extreme of posts in the thread and creates a big deal about it. Saying nobody comes close to Naniwa is such an extreme hyperbole that he's either trolling or represent a minuscule portion of the fan base in his opinions. Either way you are not going to get the answers you are looking for so why bother? It will just serve to derail the thread.
Fair enough, I guess I had too much faith in the level of posting here. I'm still pretty new, and this seems like a pretty tightly-run ship with a strong zero-tolerance policy (at least compared to other boards I've browsed). I was inclined to think that he must have had a very good, compelling reason to make that claim - and I was eager to hear it. I suppose he was just trolling (looking through some of the other replies I now realize this possibility). Meh, I guess you can't avoid trolls 100% anywhere really, no matter how good the place is in general. Trolls will be trolls, staying just under the radar where they can thrive yet not be banned. Ah well.
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Poll added after several requests
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July Fighting! =3
Fucking love that guy! he always makes me want to just start playing some starcraft 2!
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On May 08 2011 00:08 DarKFoRcE wrote:
JulyZerg for sure, if latency doesnt play role that is.
darkforce <3
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July and naniwa I think radiates the most potential on that list in current shapes and taking into account such factors as 'worst match-ups' Some people are brilliant in some and almost directly poor in other match-ups which simply decreases their overall potential because they could meet their poor match-up and then its boom.
Its always great to see fanboys go crazy imo, favouritism is never free from bias and it colours any "sport" =)
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On May 08 2011 02:09 Naniwa wrote:i do not deserve the title of the best player yet, i will use everything in my power to make this true in the future tho ;>. please dont hate on me  (
naniwa, I just want to say that you are so much of a better person than you were when playing wc3. Keep continuing to own, no doubt your in the top 5 protoss on everyones mind.
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Based on the fact that he absolutely dominates online EU tournaments that you probably dont watch, and has done for months. Pretty much every EU progamer fears Kas and for good reason. As for copenhagen that was his second LAN and the final was not a true reflection of his skill.
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top 3-1 player? wut
we have a set of good 4-0 players, why not talk about them. Sheth is doing great in nasl and I am glad he is now more present in the tourney scene
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Duckload-ra!! Hes everywhere~
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lol, naniwa has a good month and suddenly he's the uncontested best in the world. He certainly is very good, but to say that there is a "best" player in this group that can be decided by 50 votes is ridiculous. You can probably eliminate Slush, Incontrol, Darkforce, and Moon. They are good players but I don't see how they can be put ahead of WhiteRa, July, and Naniwa until they get a few more big wins and tournament results.
Kas is hard to say. I know that he is dominating a lot in Europe right now, but I haven't seen enough of his play.
I'd say of the group it's between WhiteRa, July, and Naniwa. Picking one over the two others seems naive though because they're all sick.
But I say WhiteRa anyway. Special tactics ftw 
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I voted for darkforce. If you take the time to watch his stream you will realize he is simply amazing. For me personally just looking at his mechanics, strategies, and gameplay, I'd only place IdrA and Sen ahead of him as the top foreigner zerg. I feel the guy is going to make a huge splash in NASL and gain the fanbase he deserves in weeks to come.
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JULYYYYY~
You guys are completely disregarding the fact that this guy is a monster. Don't count him out!
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As to be July or Naniwa.
I hope Morrow will improve his ZvP because he's really really good in the other match-up and deserve more attention.
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On May 08 2011 02:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot.
On what basis? How about this? Quoted from the Naniwa fanclub.
But most of all, just waching his play is reason enough. He is a tactical genius. Nuff said.
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JulyZerg, closely followed by naniwa. Nani is a very smart and tactical player, while julyzerg plays a unique style that probably nobody else can pull off effectively. Great players.
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On May 08 2011 23:57 mordk wrote:
JulyZerg, closely followed by naniwa. Nani is a very smart and tactical player, while julyzerg plays a unique style that probably nobody else can pull off effectively. Great players.
+1
quite happy that inc is 3-1, thought he'd do worse but this a very pleasant surprise
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On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.
Select and kiwi have been in so many semi-finals/finals of tournaments for a while now, do a little research before you start rating players with limited knowledge of their achievements.
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