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Of the players currently 3-1,which one do you think is the best? Whether its a game he shouldn't of lost or just a more difficult division, who do you feel is the best?
Poll: Top 3-1 player in NASLNaniwa (83) 35% July (78) 33% White-Ra (43) 18% DarkForce (10) 4% Morrow (7) 3% Incontrol (6) 3% Slush (5) 2% Squirtle (4) 2% Moon (3) 1% 239 total votes Your vote: Top 3-1 player in NASL (Vote): Naniwa
(Vote): July
(Vote): Moon
(Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): DarkForce
(Vote): Morrow
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): Incontrol
(Vote): Slush
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It's hard to say with the korea-NA latency, but I would probably say July!
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I love Slush man, such a nice guy, and I like how he develops his own styles and strategies.
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naniwa imo... he's been on a tear for some time now.
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Naniwa is 3-0 but yeah, i think naniwa is best of all players in NASL actually.
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Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
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On May 07 2011 22:40 Zerglings.NA wrote:
Of the players currently 3-1,which one do you think is the best? Whether its a game he shouldn't of lost or just a more difficult division, who do you feel is the best?
Naniwa
July
Moon
Squirtle
DarkForce
Morrow
White-Ra
Incontrol
Slush
I like a lot of those guys but I'm going Naniwa until he falls. The guy is on fire. And he plays left handed which is pretty cool if nothing else.
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Naniwa and Morrow I'd say are the most proven to have similar results but new leagues are for new stars to shine I say! GO Whitera/Slush!
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july probs, still destroying people with latency
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments.
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magha Netherlands. May 07 2011 22:43. Posts 368 PM Profile Quote #
I love Slush man, such a nice guy, and I like how he develops his own styles and strategies.
Everybody at the highest level has their own style or else they just suck. A high level skilled player without a style is a chezzy player with mostly BO wins.
OT: Naniwa
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i think naniwa is above the rest. Maybe strelok has a good chance against him. wait and see.
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Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost.
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On May 07 2011 22:49 phisku wrote:
i think naniwa is above the rest. Maybe strelok has a good chance against him. wait and see.
Strelok got a W/O vs Nani since he was too tired to play after DH O_O
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On May 07 2011 22:52 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:49 phisku wrote:
i think naniwa is above the rest. Maybe strelok has a good chance against him. wait and see. Strelok got a W/O vs Nani since he was too tired to play after DH O_O
It was mis communication xD. But yeh Naniwa should be 4-0, hes so good atm.
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On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost.
I hardly think it's "fanboyism" everyone seems to have a pretty logical thought process for saying Naniwa since he didn't really lose any matches he just forfeit one.
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Obviously JulyZerg? But of course the huge latency from Korea makes it random.
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what a fool i totally forgot that Artosis gonna win :D, nani you are dead!
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White-Ra's and Naniwa's only loss are because of walkovers.
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On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments.
Well, he probably won't do that, but it doesn't really matter. MC himself said that the European ladder is as hard as the Korean, and when was the last time a Korean came to Naniwa's turf and beat him in a tournament? Naniwa has pwned all Koreans he has faced - and everyone else too.
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Naniwa has just been crazy lately, hope this turns into the next mc. If he keeps winning and going like this, who's going to stop him ? Whoever it is, I wanna see it :D
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On May 07 2011 22:59 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments. Well, he probably won't do that, but it doesn't really matter. MC himself said that the European ladder is as hard as the Korean, and when was the last time a Korean came to Naniwa's turf and beat him in a tournament? Naniwa has pwned all Koreans he has faced - and everyone else too.
Didn't I just said he got beaten by sen in Bo5. You sound like he beat alot of korean and walk to any big lan tournaments and win. Take away MLG WTF DID HE Achieve.
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On May 07 2011 22:59 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments. Well, he probably won't do that, but it doesn't really matter. MC himself said that the European ladder is as hard as the Korean, and when was the last time a Korean came to Naniwa's turf and beat him in a tournament? Naniwa has pwned all Koreans he has faced - and everyone else too.
What has Naniwa won excluding MLG?
He's in great form no doubt but let's not go overboard. He still isn't as good as the Koreans until he goes over to Korea and does really well, KR is still the homeland of the best players in the world.
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On May 07 2011 23:03 lazyfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:59 PraetorianX wrote:On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments. Well, he probably won't do that, but it doesn't really matter. MC himself said that the European ladder is as hard as the Korean, and when was the last time a Korean came to Naniwa's turf and beat him in a tournament? Naniwa has pwned all Koreans he has faced - and everyone else too. Didn't I just said he got beaten by sen in Bo5. You sound like he beat alot of korean and walk to any big lan tournaments and win. Take away MLG WTF DID HE Achieve.
You raise an interesting point, taking away achievements of players leaves them with fewer achievements. If you take away all their achievements, it's as if they've never even played the game. And why would we waste our time discussing people who don't even play SC2?
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Naniwa is in the semifinals of TSL, won BDL and the recent MLG, he is at least the best foreginer in the world right now
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hmm july is bomb, i like him the most and white ra is pretty chill also
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On May 07 2011 23:09 archonOOid wrote:
Naniwa is in the semifinals of TSL, won BDL and the recent MLG, he is at least the best foreginer in the world right now
If he wins TSL then I'll give you that
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On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
]WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
Why?
As I remember there was a lot of poor play at the IEM World.
The only foreigner I remember recembling himself was Moonglade.
Qxc and Fenix was way way out of it.
Sjow was on his slump.
MorroW, White-Ra, Idra did not seem to be in remotely their best form.
Tarson struggled and Socke was so-so(His pvp was good though or better than Squirtles at least).
Squirtle went 2-3 in his group, Moon and Ace seemed more impressive than they were due to their opponents playing sub-par.
My pick is definitely Naniwa.
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Naniwa, his only loss was the game he didnt show up for and the games he has been playing hes dominating.
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I would have to vote for naniwa or whitera.
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
Haha, suppose you think Jinro is second, & Morrow a close third 
Joking,
Yea, I'd say Naniwa..
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Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
And you base that on so few tourney wins eh? Overhyping in progress.
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The koreans who get those stats with the latency is most impressive to me.
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Uh personally, from all the games I've watched from them in the NASL and the other various leagues I'd probably rank the 3-1 players something like this:
July > Squirtle > Naniwa = Moon = WhiteRa > DarkForce > Morrow = Incontrol > Slush
Not to take anything away from Slush but I feel if he was to play any of the other 3-1ers he'd probably lose. Slush is still an awesome player.
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July first and foremost, and then Squirtle. Moon is somewhere up there too, but I feel he's not as consistent.
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Naniwa never beat or never had the chance to beat a Korean player under fair conditions. Sure he is in great form but without any games to compare you really can't make him the favourite over all koreans. If July makes it in top16, I think he has a chance to win it all, as there are no more disadvantages for koreans at that point. Not only lag is a factor but also the very late hours the games are played at. So I would rank the top three in that group July, Naniwa and Squirtle
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As big morrow fan i have to say ..UHmmm.... Morrow. Feel that he gets overlooked to much
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On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments.
July is the best player . Naniwa is really good , but the amount of experience and confidence july has from BW gives him the edge against players of his skill level . July is also really confident against foreigners as shown in the Korea vs the world and doesn't underestimate them .
Other then that every player on that list is really good and it's hard to say who is the best even thought right now Naniwa has really good results in recent tournaments .
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On May 08 2011 00:03 dragoonier wrote:
Naniwa never beat or never had the chance to beat a Korean player under fair conditions. Sure he is in great form but without any games to compare you really can't make him the favourite over all koreans. If July makes it in top16, I think he has a chance to win it all, as there are no more disadvantages for koreans at that point. Not only lag is a factor but also the very late hours the games are played at. So I would rank the top three in that group July, Naniwa and Squirtle
I'm confindent that Naniwa will win the Road to Korea contest and we may see what he's made of.
As far as I recall, Jinro handily won MLG Dallas and went on to do fairly well in the GSL. I know the games changed much since then but I feel history may repeat itself.
All I'm saying is don't be surprised if Naniwa finishes top of his division.
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JulyZerg for sure, if latency doesnt play role that is.
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On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet.
At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners.
At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.
As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament.
Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
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On May 07 2011 23:49 Fleuria wrote:
Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did
That's most likely because he hasn't played anyone remotely approaching good.
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DarkForce is pretty under-rated. I'd say July though. Korea -> US can't be easy.
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Should be two different questions... best 3-1 player who hasn't actually lost and best 3-1 player who has lost
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On May 08 2011 00:11 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 23:49 Fleuria wrote:
Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did That's most likely because he hasn't played anyone remotely approaching good.
Yes because every top top NA EU player he has crushed the last month arn't good...
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Artosis!!.... oh.. wait...
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On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost.
Picking morrow sounds fairly biased as well. His ZvT is godlike but his other matchups haven't been that good lately. He'll drop out vs any good zerg/toss in the playoffs :<
on topic: July and Nani.
On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
Nani has beaten idra several times. -_-
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On May 08 2011 00 19 Fleuria wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:11 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 23:49 Fleuria wrote:
Naniwa in all his games in the last month it hasn't even looked like he would lose, in that road to korea shit he man handled morrow worst than MC did That's most likely because he hasn't played anyone remotely approaching good. Yes because every top top NA EU player he has crushed the last month arn't good...
Please list the 'top' players Naniwa has beaten in a LAN enviroment.
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Naniwa has not only won MLG. He's been the most convincing player in TSL, he:s 10-1 in black dragon league, he won 2011 Gadget Show Live Invitational in a commanding fashion. And he's most certainly not facing scrubs.
The last time he lost a BoX was in Mars against Sen in GCPL. Since then he's undefeated. He has dropped games occasionally in an extended series, but he's never lost a BoX.
I think it's fair to say he's the man to beat in the foreign scene.
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On May 08 2011 00 :22 VoirDire wrote:
He's been the most convincing player in TSL
Because his route to the semi was a joke.
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Naniwa, as White-ra he actually is 3-0, so both still undefeated, and NaNi is in amazing shape right now.
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On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
lol, what kind of post is this
KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good.
Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD
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On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost.
you're all such fan boys for basing who you think the best player is on results
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On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD
Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really.
Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments.
Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.
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july is probably the best player from that list. And then Naniwa/whitera round out the top 3 imo
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Slush might be the most under rated player in NA...
I remember listening to SOTG and I don't remember who it was, but they were talking about the top 16 players and who has the best chance to win and stuff and people were like Slush eh who else is in this group? But the guy has been consistently at the top at MLG. He finished 9th last time I think, don't remember exactly who he lost to, but he did good in his group and he didn't steal his spot in the top 10.
He's not the guy that you go 2 days before MLG, he's going to win it all, but everytime he beats good players and his consistency with all the UP Zerg stuff and how people say it's impossible to scout and you never know what's coming the guy does an impressive job at being at the top of his game when it counts.
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I would definitely say Naniwa, his recent performances have just been insane. If you really think about it though, one of those losses was an w/o and not even a result of his play. I'm sure his game versus strelok would've been crazy good.
If it wasn't naniwa though, i'd probably say white-ra, just for his consistent performance all over the world for years.
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On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really. Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments. Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players.
What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims?
I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.
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On May 08 2011 00:48 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really. Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments. Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players. What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims? I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL.
It was the exact same when Jinro still actually won games, droves of Swedes making baseless claims about him being the best in the world. Look how that ended up.
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On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10.
If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
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On May 07 2011 22:47 Vinx wrote:
Naniwa and Morrow I'd say are the most proven to have similar results but new leagues are for new stars to shine I say! GO Whitera/Slush!
The new star white-ra...
but go naniwa!
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On May 08 2011 00:52 throttled wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
I think he means including Korea. In which case, yeah, Kiwikaki and Select probably aren't "anything like top level".
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On May 08 2011 00:52 throttled wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. If Select and Kiwikaki aren't "top level", then no foreigners are top level, since they are always both in the top 3 of basically every major foreigner tournament. Incredibly ignorant statement.
We have a winner. Jinro was top level at some point though that's for sure, and he got pretty unlucky with draw this GSL by basically losing twice against possibly the best player in the world and going into up and down for it.
Select is a borderline Code S player, not good enough to get to the latter stages of Code S consistantly but probably better than most of Code A.
Kiwi is a Code A player at best.
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
LOOOOOL.
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This is the preliminary week4 output my NASL Prospectus: division projections. It is an TLPD-elo based projection that takes account of the individual division strengths.
Looking at this output,  NaNiwa is probably the strongest 3-1 player and almost guaranteed to take one of the auto-qualifying spots. Of the rest, the projection is least optimistic about iNcontroL and  July and only expect them to make it into the playoffs.
Div Name ELO Record Points
3 Naniwa 2,339 7 12
2 July 2,086 5 3
1 Moon 2,196 6 6
3 Squirtle 2,149 5 1
2 DarKFoRcE 2,169 6 4
1 MorroW 2,136 6 4
2 White-Ra 2,151 6 4
2 iNcontroL 2,059 5 -1
3 Slush 2,137 5 1
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I think either Naniwa or July Zerg in this division.
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Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.
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On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him.
lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder?
IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Probably on the basis that he wins pretty much everything he plays.
On topic I think Nani has the biggest chance.
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July and Squirtle even with the lag still kicking ass and beating everyone
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[B]On May 08 2011 01 Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Probably on the basis that he wins pretty much everything he plays.
The best thing he's done in SC2 so far in any meaningful tournament was getting crushed by MC in the Copenhagen games, a tournament featuring about 6 'known' players, of which Kas beat one before MC went 4-0 against him.
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Naniwa. Incontrol doesn't deserve to be on that list.
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On May 08 2011 00:50 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:48 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:38 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 00:33 hugman wrote:On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 22 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. ahahaha, he's won one average foreigner tournament at the peak of his race's imbalance. When he starts beating MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP in a Lan setting we can talk. Hell, he's not even beaten IdrA yet. At TSL3 Naniwa beat Ret, Crucher and Goody, all pretty poor/average even for foreigners. At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level. As far as I know he's not beaten a single top level Code S standard player in a major tournament. Liquipedia says he's going to Korea, great for him. When he takes home Code S then maybe we can discuss him being amongst the worlds top 10. lol, what kind of post is this KiWiKaKi and Select are pretty damn good. Also, you have to win Code S to be considered top 10 in the world? xD Location: Sweden. 'nuff said really. Kiwi and Select haven't won anything of note, all they've managed in a few bronze/silvers in foreigner tournaments. Like I said, when goes to Korea and starts taking down MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP etc.. in a Lan setting then he can be considered amongst the worlds best players. What does my location have to do with the ridiculousness of your claims? I'm not saying Naniwa is by far the best foreigner (you can look at my previous post in this thread), but I think you're being silly saying he has to win Code-S to be top10 in the world when only four people have ever won GSL. It was the exact same when Jinro still actually won games, droves of Swedes making baseless claims about him being the best in the world. Look how that ended up.
Yeah well I'm not making claims like that, what I said didn't even really have anything to do with Naniwa
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself.
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Müsliforce (Darkforce) FTW
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Naniwa, by far is more superior
also july
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency?
I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down.
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On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself.
Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet.
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On May 08 2011 01:30 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency? I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down.
I left Jinro off because he's playing in Korea. Jinro is the best foreign Terran by far.
Select has an MLG silver, an MLG bronze and an IGN bronze. Those three are all bigger/better tournaments than the Copenhagen Games, which is Kas's best achievement to date.
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I think Incontrol is really solid and Naniwa seem to be able to pick his opponents apart. It to bad they have to play each other in PvP. That match up really doesnt showcase many of the skills required to win the other match ups.
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On May 08 2011 01:33 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:30 hifriend wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency? I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down. I left Jinro off because he's playing in Korea. Jinro is the best foreign Terran by far. Select has an MLG silver, an MLG bronze and an IGN bronze. Those three are all bigger/better tournaments than the Copenhagen Games, which is Kas's best achievement to date.
A mere two pages ago you downplayed MLG first place as "one average foreigner tournament." I'm at least glad you don't actually think that and that it was just some sort of retard rhetoric used to support your argument.
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White-Ra's consistency is off the hook.
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On May 07 2011 23:05 schmutttt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:59 PraetorianX wrote:On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments. Well, he probably won't do that, but it doesn't really matter. MC himself said that the European ladder is as hard as the Korean, and when was the last time a Korean came to Naniwa's turf and beat him in a tournament? Naniwa has pwned all Koreans he has faced - and everyone else too. What has Naniwa won excluding MLG? He's in great form no doubt but let's not go overboard. He still isn't as good as the Koreans until he goes over to Korea and does really well, KR is still the homeland of the best players in the world.
He won the Gadget Show -thingy, £5000 prize pool. He was sick and missed out on the big wave of Scandinavian LANs recently and he doesn't compete in a lot of weekly cups.
As far as I know he has played at two LAN-tournaments recently and won both.
Naniwa is by far the best foreigner at the moment looking at results, imo. There is no going overboard
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On May 08 2011 01:37 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:33 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01:30 hifriend wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency? I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down. I left Jinro off because he's playing in Korea. Jinro is the best foreign Terran by far. Select has an MLG silver, an MLG bronze and an IGN bronze. Those three are all bigger/better tournaments than the Copenhagen Games, which is Kas's best achievement to date. A mere two pages ago you downplayed MLG first place as "one average foreigner tournament." I'm at least glad you don't actually think that and that it was just some sort of retard rhetoric used to support your argument.
MLG is an average foreign tournament, until recently even most of the best Europeans didn't attend and it still lacks any Koreans, making it way less meaningful than the NASL and not even in the same universe as GSL.
Coming in second and third in MLG in still a lot better than a lone second in the Copenhagen Games.
Still waiting for someone to tell me how exaclty Kas is the number two foreigner.
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On May 08 2011 01:31 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself. Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet.
He's in the ro4 for the TSL...i'd say that's close to translating hype into results
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July is definitively the best, and why isnt this a poll?
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White-Ra. His first loss was a walkover and he has the skill and experience to win out.
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On May 08 2011 01:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:31 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself. Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet. He's in the ro4 for the TSL...i'd say that's close to translating hype into results
It's a good result for sure, but all he beat to get there was Haypro (who has been poor for a long time and I assume was playing from Korea), Adelstott (mediocre Protoss) and Nada (who was visible lagging all game).
TSL has a lot of great players but as IdrA said, any results from Koreans playing on the NA or Europe servers are meaningless, and Kas didn't have a particularly hard run through anyway. Online tournaments are extremely iffy where results are concerned, and on the LAN at Copenhagen he was completely crushed by MC in MC's worst match up.
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naniwa, with july 2nd and whitera 3rd
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Special Tactics will prevail.
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On May 07 2011 22:56 Zerglings.NA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost. I hardly think it's "fanboyism" everyone seems to have a pretty logical thought process for saying Naniwa since he didn't really lose any matches he just forfeit one.
He's replying to the post that was talking about Naniwa being the best in the world. Honestly, I have to agree with him here. Going out and labeling Naniwa as the best in the world, better than EVERYONE else (according to the post) is too much. He hasn't really played half the competitive community (most Koreans).
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July > White-Ra = Naniwa > The rest.
July is still smashing faces and taking names even with the KR/NA Lag (supposedly). White-Ra and Nani are both 3-1 because of walkovvers, but they are both excelent players.
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i do not deserve the title of the best player yet, i will use everything in my power to make this true in the future tho ;>. please dont hate on me  (
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On May 08 2011 01:31 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself. Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet. Before someone else points it out, Kas knocked out Nada from TSL and I don't think anyone argues that it was even an even somewhat close fight. Having that said Kas TvT seems to be his strongest match up by far(his TvZ seems to be his achillies heal at the moment) and I'm sure it was not Nadas best day either.
On the other stuff. Many look at who people beat and how when they form their opinions about players, which is can be completely unrelated to major tournament results. Threads like this are not about who won most GSLs obviously or this thread would not exist.
Of the 3-1's it feels like all of them can probably beat the other 3-1s. I don't even want to try to rank them right now, I would just regret it in a couple of weeks.
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On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans.
Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot.
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On May 08 2011 02:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot.
I don't get why so many people home in on the most extreme of posts in the thread and creates a big deal about it. Saying nobody comes close to Naniwa is such an extreme hyperbole that he's either trolling or represent a minuscule portion of the fan base in his opinions. Either way you are not going to get the answers you are looking for so why bother? It will just serve to derail the thread.
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On May 08 2011 02:39 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 02:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot. I don't get why so many people home in on the most extreme of posts in the thread and creates a big deal about it. Saying nobody comes close to Naniwa is such an extreme hyperbole that he's either trolling or represent a minuscule portion of the fan base in his opinions. Either way you are not going to get the answers you are looking for so why bother? It will just serve to derail the thread.
Fair enough, I guess I had too much faith in the level of posting here. I'm still pretty new, and this seems like a pretty tightly-run ship with a strong zero-tolerance policy (at least compared to other boards I've browsed). I was inclined to think that he must have had a very good, compelling reason to make that claim - and I was eager to hear it. I suppose he was just trolling (looking through some of the other replies I now realize this possibility). Meh, I guess you can't avoid trolls 100% anywhere really, no matter how good the place is in general. Trolls will be trolls, staying just under the radar where they can thrive yet not be banned. Ah well.
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Poll added after several requests
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July Fighting! =3
Fucking love that guy! he always makes me want to just start playing some starcraft 2!
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On May 08 2011 00:08 DarKFoRcE wrote:
JulyZerg for sure, if latency doesnt play role that is.
darkforce <3
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July and naniwa I think radiates the most potential on that list in current shapes and taking into account such factors as 'worst match-ups' Some people are brilliant in some and almost directly poor in other match-ups which simply decreases their overall potential because they could meet their poor match-up and then its boom.
Its always great to see fanboys go crazy imo, favouritism is never free from bias and it colours any "sport" =)
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On May 08 2011 02:09 Naniwa wrote:i do not deserve the title of the best player yet, i will use everything in my power to make this true in the future tho ;>. please dont hate on me (
naniwa, I just want to say that you are so much of a better person than you were when playing wc3. Keep continuing to own, no doubt your in the top 5 protoss on everyones mind.
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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Based on the fact that he absolutely dominates online EU tournaments that you probably dont watch, and has done for months. Pretty much every EU progamer fears Kas and for good reason. As for copenhagen that was his second LAN and the final was not a true reflection of his skill.
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top 3-1 player? wut
we have a set of good 4-0 players, why not talk about them. Sheth is doing great in nasl and I am glad he is now more present in the tourney scene
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Duckload-ra!! Hes everywhere~
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lol, naniwa has a good month and suddenly he's the uncontested best in the world. He certainly is very good, but to say that there is a "best" player in this group that can be decided by 50 votes is ridiculous. You can probably eliminate Slush, Incontrol, Darkforce, and Moon. They are good players but I don't see how they can be put ahead of WhiteRa, July, and Naniwa until they get a few more big wins and tournament results.
Kas is hard to say. I know that he is dominating a lot in Europe right now, but I haven't seen enough of his play.
I'd say of the group it's between WhiteRa, July, and Naniwa. Picking one over the two others seems naive though because they're all sick.
But I say WhiteRa anyway. Special tactics ftw
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I voted for darkforce. If you take the time to watch his stream you will realize he is simply amazing. For me personally just looking at his mechanics, strategies, and gameplay, I'd only place IdrA and Sen ahead of him as the top foreigner zerg. I feel the guy is going to make a huge splash in NASL and gain the fanbase he deserves in weeks to come.
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JULYYYYY~
You guys are completely disregarding the fact that this guy is a monster. Don't count him out!
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As to be July or Naniwa.
I hope Morrow will improve his ZvP because he's really really good in the other match-up and deserve more attention.
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On May 08 2011 02:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Upon which objective basis do you make this extreme claim? You can't simply say, "no discussion - I'm right", and expect to get away with it. Go on, explain why none of the best Korean pros - or other top foreign pros - even "come close" to his skill level. I'm eager to hear your decisive argument, because quite frankly, I think you're full of it. Prove me wrong - I'm all ears...like Ross Perot.
On what basis? How about this? Quoted from the Naniwa fanclub.
But most of all, just waching his play is reason enough. He is a tactical genius. Nuff said.
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JulyZerg, closely followed by naniwa. Nani is a very smart and tactical player, while julyzerg plays a unique style that probably nobody else can pull off effectively. Great players.
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On May 08 2011 23:57 mordk wrote:
JulyZerg, closely followed by naniwa. Nani is a very smart and tactical player, while julyzerg plays a unique style that probably nobody else can pull off effectively. Great players.
+1
quite happy that inc is 3-1, thought he'd do worse but this a very pleasant surprise
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On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.
Select and kiwi have been in so many semi-finals/finals of tournaments for a while now, do a little research before you start rating players with limited knowledge of their achievements.
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On May 09 2011 00:16 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.
Select and kiwi have been in so many semi-finals/finals of tournaments for a while now, do a little research before you start rating players with limited knowledge of their achievements.
I think most of the people's point in here is that select and kiwi are only doing well in NA and some EU tourney (select's case) which make their achievements not as top level as to say Code A GSL.
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I vote artosis despite him actually being 0-4 or something
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On May 09 2011 00 16 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 00:08 Blasphemi wrote:
At MLG he beat Drewbie, Agh, Machine, Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select. None of those players are anything like top level.
Select and kiwi have been in so many semi-finals/finals of tournaments for a while now, do a little research before you start rating players with limited knowledge of their achievements.
MLG is not a top level tournament.
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On May 09 2011 00:24 JoFritzMD wrote:
I vote artosis despite him actually being 0-4 or something
i vote for artosis every week on liquibet. so far hes not been helping me out
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On May 09 2011 00:27 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 00:24 JoFritzMD wrote:
I vote artosis despite him actually being 0-4 or something i vote for artosis every week on liquibet. so far hes not been helping me out
Same here. I keep voting for him, though, cuz I loves him. <3
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Naniwa just isn't losing games...
He's only 3-1 because of a walkover, he still has the highest points in the league...
It's hard not to be a fan because the dude is just so good, also, he's really turned his reputation around so... Baller status.
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I'm surprised White-Ra isn't number 1 on here... Come on guys, where's the love? Everyone knows his special tactics will easily get him to the Championship round!
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EPT
