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On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now.
Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency?
I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down.
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On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself.
Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet.
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On May 08 2011 01:30 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency? I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down.
I left Jinro off because he's playing in Korea. Jinro is the best foreign Terran by far.
Select has an MLG silver, an MLG bronze and an IGN bronze. Those three are all bigger/better tournaments than the Copenhagen Games, which is Kas's best achievement to date.
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I think Incontrol is really solid and Naniwa seem to be able to pick his opponents apart. It to bad they have to play each other in PvP. That match up really doesnt showcase many of the skills required to win the other match ups.
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On May 08 2011 01:33 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:30 hifriend wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency? I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down. I left Jinro off because he's playing in Korea. Jinro is the best foreign Terran by far. Select has an MLG silver, an MLG bronze and an IGN bronze. Those three are all bigger/better tournaments than the Copenhagen Games, which is Kas's best achievement to date.
A mere two pages ago you downplayed MLG first place as "one average foreigner tournament." I'm at least glad you don't actually think that and that it was just some sort of retard rhetoric used to support your argument.
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White-Ra's consistency is off the hook.
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On May 07 2011 23:05 schmutttt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:59 PraetorianX wrote:On May 07 2011 22:48 Neo.NEt wrote:On May 07 2011 22:44 PraetorianX wrote:
Naniwa. No discussion. He would easily have gone 4-0 if he wasn't given an autoloss. He is the best player in the world. Nobody even comes close, and that's including the Koreans. Agreed Naniwa is insane, but let's not get too crazy with the talk about being better than Koreans until he actually walks on their turf and takes home their tournaments. Well, he probably won't do that, but it doesn't really matter. MC himself said that the European ladder is as hard as the Korean, and when was the last time a Korean came to Naniwa's turf and beat him in a tournament? Naniwa has pwned all Koreans he has faced - and everyone else too. What has Naniwa won excluding MLG? He's in great form no doubt but let's not go overboard. He still isn't as good as the Koreans until he goes over to Korea and does really well, KR is still the homeland of the best players in the world.
He won the Gadget Show -thingy, £5000 prize pool. He was sick and missed out on the big wave of Scandinavian LANs recently and he doesn't compete in a lot of weekly cups.
As far as I know he has played at two LAN-tournaments recently and won both.
Naniwa is by far the best foreigner at the moment looking at results, imo. There is no going overboard 
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On May 08 2011 01:37 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:33 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01:30 hifriend wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Those are great players but it's not like select has more notable achievements than kas, which leads me to believe you're just as biased as everyone else. And how do you leave jinro out of that list, after arguing that the only true measurement of skill in sc2 is by looking at results against top koreans on lan latency? I don't understand why you need to act so condescending toward other posters/professional players. Maybe you should calm the fuck down. I left Jinro off because he's playing in Korea. Jinro is the best foreign Terran by far. Select has an MLG silver, an MLG bronze and an IGN bronze. Those three are all bigger/better tournaments than the Copenhagen Games, which is Kas's best achievement to date. A mere two pages ago you downplayed MLG first place as "one average foreigner tournament." I'm at least glad you don't actually think that and that it was just some sort of retard rhetoric used to support your argument.
MLG is an average foreign tournament, until recently even most of the best Europeans didn't attend and it still lacks any Koreans, making it way less meaningful than the NASL and not even in the same universe as GSL.
Coming in second and third in MLG in still a lot better than a lone second in the Copenhagen Games.
Still waiting for someone to tell me how exaclty Kas is the number two foreigner.
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On May 08 2011 01:31 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself. Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet.
He's in the ro4 for the TSL...i'd say that's close to translating hype into results
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July is definitively the best, and why isnt this a poll?
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White-Ra. His first loss was a walkover and he has the skill and experience to win out.
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On May 08 2011 01:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:31 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01:22 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 01 00 Aristodemus wrote:
Pretty shocked to see all the people bashing Nani, i think he is the top foreigner right now (Kas #2) and could hold his own in GSL. You can only beat who is put in front of you, and he will continue beating who is put in front of him. lol at Kas being number two. On the basis of what? Playing a lot of ladder? IdrA, White-Ra, SeleCT, Naniwa are the best foreigners right now. Lol at you having no fucking clue. Maybe you should look up what he has done in the last months before making a fool out of yourself. Please tell me what he has done. He hasn't won anything of any meaning and is way behind MVP, MKP, Bomber, Jinro, SC, Nada, Top, Clide, Supernova, SeleCT, Sjow and probably quite a few other Terrans I forget in terms of Sc2 achievements. Kas was won nothing at all right now that matters, he is all hype and isn't even close to translating that hype into results yet. He's in the ro4 for the TSL...i'd say that's close to translating hype into results
It's a good result for sure, but all he beat to get there was Haypro (who has been poor for a long time and I assume was playing from Korea), Adelstott (mediocre Protoss) and Nada (who was visible lagging all game).
TSL has a lot of great players but as IdrA said, any results from Koreans playing on the NA or Europe servers are meaningless, and Kas didn't have a particularly hard run through anyway. Online tournaments are extremely iffy where results are concerned, and on the LAN at Copenhagen he was completely crushed by MC in MC's worst match up.
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naniwa, with july 2nd and whitera 3rd
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Special Tactics will prevail.
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On May 07 2011 22:56 Zerglings.NA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:51 lazyfeet wrote:
Wow Please please stop the blindly fanboyism of Naniwa. Just because he is hot lately and won a mlg doen't mean automatic the best player. Don't get me wrong he is very good player but need to win more then just a mlg to become the best player (including korean). He need to win like the tsl(very good chance) iem and dreamhack to said that. WTH ace's iem win is more impressive then naniwa's.
I choose morrow as the best 3-1.
Edit maybe I'm little biased cause i keep remembering the Naniwa vs sen in that bo5 match where he lost. I hardly think it's "fanboyism" everyone seems to have a pretty logical thought process for saying Naniwa since he didn't really lose any matches he just forfeit one.
He's replying to the post that was talking about Naniwa being the best in the world. Honestly, I have to agree with him here. Going out and labeling Naniwa as the best in the world, better than EVERYONE else (according to the post) is too much. He hasn't really played half the competitive community (most Koreans).
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July > White-Ra = Naniwa > The rest.
July is still smashing faces and taking names even with the KR/NA Lag (supposedly). White-Ra and Nani are both 3-1 because of walkovvers, but they are both excelent players.
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i do not deserve the title of the best player yet, i will use everything in my power to make this true in the future tho ;>. please dont hate on me  (
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EPT
