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yamato77
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I quized you fairly hard on some things and that was because I was unsure at what level you can think the game through. I made some progress on that. Did I distract you from asking these questions of me? You appear to have dropped them? Are they now unimportant? On December 04 2012 21:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you thinking about the game that is already over? Why do you talk like this?? Just casually say stuff, if it doesn't sound natural please don't post it :D Q1/ Q2/ As I have no meta, it is easy to mistake what I do. In the same way I wanted to understand how you think about the game, so I can tell if you do something anti town while knowing it is anti town. Thus I am thinking in this game a good pro town thing for me to do voluntarily do is to state my analysis of a previous case where the outcome is known, but my reasoning suggested a different course of action to how the game went down. Q3/ "Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D" I notice the :D at the end, but just casually saying stuff, makes noise. Isn't noise good for scum? So was there any other part of your questioning you wished to pursue? I expect to have more question regarding what we discussed yesterday as a number of interesting things happened during that discussion. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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yamato77
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Scum kickstart, you are going DOWN. Also Axle, I was trying to help.  And I have no more questions. What do you think about yamato and kickstart voting you? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I have not noticed, who voted for me when. I will check if I get time. I feel pressured by questions about my real intentions not my current apparent popularity. People voting for me because I posted some big things which you/they either read or ignore but thus I did not engage with, thus not distract other peoples scum hunting, does seem odd. I can see some people didn't like it. I would vote for scum if and when I find them, otherwise I will do as I have done. and ##VOTE NoLynch Doing that is a very bold move for scum to make. It is even I believe a bold move for town to make. I am glad you were trying to help. Do you now see why I did what I did? Did my explanations satisfy you? You also appear to have missed this question. Q3/ "Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D" I notice the :D at the end, but just casually saying stuff, makes noise. Isn't noise good for scum? | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
Axle: Originally, I thought his acts of 'treat me nicely, I'm new' were actually quite suspicious, followed by really confusing posts which initially I believed were just posts to clog up the conversation and keep things disjointed. However, seems like as time goes on I understand what Axle is talking about less and less and now I don't even read the posts because it actually hurts my brain to try and understand the concepts he is talking about. Based off the responses you guys make to what he says, seems to be hard on you too. Basically, if I had no better read, I'd be picking Axle simply because I don't want to have to deal with working with an incomprehensible teammate. Jidolboy: From what I have seen, all that has happened from him are a few answers and then a sudden vote. If I was to guess the way this game was going to go down, it would have the one person who is more active do the swaying, while the other lurks a bit more. As far as I can tell, Jidol has been the biggest lurker in the game so far, and then makes no effort in justifying what he has said. However, does that mean he's piggybacking onto CC, making him scum (assuming that Jidol is too)? Possibly, but probably not, if they were both scum, they wouldn't be picking out Oats I think, and instead piggyback onto the Kick vote. Kick: This afternoon, I said that Kick is a townie because of his obnoxious behaviour. Rad and Oats continue the attack, and bring up rather relevant points, most of which I didn't consider (and also some points due to a past game which I didn't observe). However, at this point in time, I still believe that Kick is a townie, and so at this point in time I will not be voting for him. yamato: More active than jidol, but still seems like lurking, and goes with the easy way out by voting Axle. Also noticed the disappearance after heat being applied on him but whether or not that's due to time zone, I'm not sure. Now, between Rad and Oats, I feel like one is supporting the other, but at the same time, I also feel like one of them is doing so with the intention of swaying the other into believing they are on the same team. This round, I feel like I have to be voting for one or the other here. (Also, while I think that one or the other is scum, I do not think that both would be scum. They stand out far too much and have already essentially said "We are together in this fight", and that'd be some sick psychological tactics or some really newbie play if they were to be double scum) In this case, I will be voting for Oats for two reasons: No lynch doesn't help us get any information. Worst case scenario means if we pick all townies to be lynched, we lose at the same rate as if we didn't lynch Day 1. Between the two, Oats feels a lot more scummy to me. The main point in the end is the suspicion on yamato, followed by the 'scum read' on yamato, followed by a complete drop of the case against him, and then a complete dodge on answering why yamato was even suspected by him in the first place. Also, to me it seems like the case made when explaining why there was a vote for kickstart in the first place could also be applied to him. 1. At the time, yamato was still a suspect, so claims possible read 2. Notices no support for yamato's suspicion, backs out, and goes straight for Kickstart. Naturally, I could be completely off track here, but I feel like the person who I should vote is for Oats. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Please dont post bullshit. What makes you think that kick is town and I am not. Drop of a case? I posted why he felt scummy and I still feel that way with his popcorn posts and stuff but I didnt make a case against him. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Explain why my behaviour on Yamato is scummy also. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 05 2012 18:57 AxleGreaser wrote: @OATSMASTER You also appear to have missed this question. Q3/ "Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D" I notice the :D at the end, but just casually saying stuff, makes noise. Isn't noise good for scum? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I meant dont post things that sound unnatural like if you were reading the words out it will sound odd. Casually like if you were with a group of friends, not like a school or work presentation. I hope that clarifies things | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Its majority lynch, not plurality lynch so we need 5 on someone to lynch. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 05 2012 19:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes noise is good for scum, Ta for answering, did you miss me asking the question the first time? I meant dont post things that sound unnatural like if you were reading the words out it will sound odd. Casually like if you were with a group of friends, I am possibly not with a group of friends, which is why I am being analytical. not like a school or work presentation. I hope that clarifies things It does, and i am sorry if it makes you feel uneasy, but this how I talk. I assure you that there wont be time in game probably, but if you go and read what I said earlier very carefully you will find that my intentions were very clear. I won't WIFOM by repeating them here. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 05 2012 20:40 AxleGreaser wrote: @OatsMaster [QUOTE] I am possibly not with a group of friends, which is why I am being analytical. oops, obviously we are playing friendly game, its our PM roles that may not be friends. [/QUOTE] | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Lots of questions inside the spoilers. In Kicks case: A thing I will find convincing is emotional plays. In particular (I believe) if he is scum then early on, he will feel confident, as he has more knowledge than town if he is town then early on he will, be more tentative, probing looking for knowledge and information Thus i will look early on where for the tells will be strongest. Now to see which fits. I really should not do this one, because it is an OMGUS, but it does? It is a risk for me, as I am making case on a point where he voted on me. (meh) + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 11:17 Kickstart wrote: Yamato has it pretty much right. I have a bad habit of going after things which I deem dumb, but dumb doesn't mean scum. Less than 2 hours later. On December 05 2012 13:50 Kickstart wrote: ##AxleGreaser Because dumb. If you didn't vote because you think I am scum why did you vote? When you are scum you can go after anything you do not understand, as such you will scatter gun these "vote because its dumb tells". They will get you dead fast. I would hope that as town he would not do this. Use your own judgement. If you think he would do that even if town, then it is a null tell. being wrong about what to do when, is one thing, but when it contradicts what you did 1.5 hrs earlier, without you even saying your other reason went away. That is also peculiar, but perhaps also a null tell, do you believe Kicks would do that as even as town? + Show Spoiler + When this happened, which is such justified pressure that is applied and it makes me think Yamato is a bit more town. How does Kicks conclude the opposite? Might it be because he knows * I am town and if I get lynched he can then attack Yamato over it and gain cred? * I am scum and hes trying to protect me? * what Yamato is doing is wrong, and Kicks knows Yamato should know better? * he is sad he voted for me because I am Because dumb? It is because he is [red]scum[red] I cant make another story fit. Can you? yamato77 should pressure me for that, at that time. On December 04 2012 12:40 yamato77 wrote: EBWOP: Oh, you actually ARE avoiding me, cool. ##Vote AxleGreaser A scum player who already knows what I am may not even know why it was done. Also wont care. Kicks though is not suspicious of me leaving, why not? On December 04 2012 12:45 Kickstart wrote: ##FoS yamato Badgering people then voting them when they ignore his badgering He didn't badger, I left. Ok so lets assume that just an error and he really believe that Yamoto just gave of scum tell. What does Kicks Do? And why? Time line link here Does he wait to see if anything will be said in response to pressure. No Then follow up with more? There is no desire to see if information is now forthcoming. + Show Spoiler + meta + Show Spoiler + (yeah its suck eggs material) Please note if I am pressuring someone, I usually don't want help. If you are pressuring someone, I will try not to get involved. I usually learn just as much or more about the intentions of the person asking the questions as the one answering them. Instead he immediately emotionally appeals to all around hey come help me lynch this guy? How does he know he has the right guy? And does he even care? On December 04 2012 12:47 Kickstart wrote: I may be too early to jump the gun on thinking yamato is being scummy, but I haven't liked his incessant policy talk and now he just jumps on someone who he is badgering. Thoughts everyone? Well no he jumped on me for going away, when being questioned. And an hour an half before that I was too dumb to live? I don't think my play got much smarter in between. He then says Thoughts everyone? which AFAIK, is pretty much a scum claim. Scum hunting is focussed process whereby you find out why people do things. Asking for whatever random thoughts other people have, is just going to make noise. Worse it gives scum the opportunity to participate, without having to initiate their own lines of inquiry. Doing that is wanting to work together, make friends, with just anyone at all. Town does not do that. Even a nervous town will be worried about making friends with a scum, and then getting lynched for it. ##unVOTE NoLynch We now in my view have viable D1 lynch based on what I wrote. I am now convinced this is not the town I deserved it has at least 1 scum in it. Don't worry host I still <3 <3 <3. I am nice gentle soul. ##VOTE Kicks | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Voting for a no lynch is now allowed! Because why not? Added to the OP. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
after himself voting on me. I the order wrong. I am still happy with the Vote on Kicks. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
##unvote Kicks ##vote NoLynch | ||
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AxleGreaser
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On December 05 2012 19:03 Sylencia wrote: So pretty much at the moment, while catching up with all this drama that has happened in the past 5 or so hours, I've really become a lot more confused and a lot less sure who is actually scum and who is not. Axle: Originally, I thought his acts of 'treat me nicely, I'm new' were actually quite suspicious, followed by really confusing posts which initially I believed were just posts to clog up the conversation and keep things disjointed. However, seems like as time goes on I understand what Axle is talking about less and less and now I don't even read the posts because it actually hurts my brain to try and understand the concepts he is talking about. Based off the responses you guys make to what he says, seems to be hard on you too. Basically, if I had no better read, I'd be picking Axle simply because I don't want to have to deal with working with an incomprehensible teammate. Jidolboy: From what I have seen, all that has happened from him are a few answers and then a sudden vote. If I was to guess the way this game was going to go down, it would have the one person who is more active do the swaying, while the other lurks a bit more. As far as I can tell, Jidol has been the biggest lurker in the game so far, and then makes no effort in justifying what he has said. However, does that mean he's piggybacking onto CC, making him scum (assuming that Jidol is too)? Possibly, but probably not, if they were both scum, they wouldn't be picking out Oats I think, and instead piggyback onto the Kick vote. Kick: This afternoon, I said that Kick is a townie because of his obnoxious behaviour. Rad and Oats continue the attack, and bring up rather relevant points, most of which I didn't consider (and also some points due to a past game which I didn't observe). However, at this point in time, I still believe that Kick is a townie, and so at this point in time I will not be voting for him. yamato: More active than jidol, but still seems like lurking, and goes with the easy way out by voting Axle. Also noticed the disappearance after heat being applied on him but whether or not that's due to time zone, I'm not sure. Now, between Rad and Oats, I feel like one is supporting the other, but at the same time, I also feel like one of them is doing so with the intention of swaying the other into believing they are on the same team. This round, I feel like I have to be voting for one or the other here. (Also, while I think that one or the other is scum, I do not think that both would be scum. They stand out far too much and have already essentially said "We are together in this fight", and that'd be some sick psychological tactics or some really newbie play if they were to be double scum) In this case, I will be voting for Oats for two reasons: No lynch doesn't help us get any information. Worst case scenario means if we pick all townies to be lynched, we lose at the same rate as if we didn't lynch Day 1. Between the two, Oats feels a lot more scummy to me. The main point in the end is the suspicion on yamato, followed by the 'scum read' on yamato, followed by a complete drop of the case against him, and then a complete dodge on answering why yamato was even suspected by him in the first place. Also, to me it seems like the case made when explaining why there was a vote for kickstart in the first place could also be applied to him. 1. At the time, yamato was still a suspect, so claims possible read 2. Notices no support for yamato's suspicion, backs out, and goes straight for Kickstart. Naturally, I could be completely off track here, but I feel like the person who I should vote is for Oats. ##Vote Oatsmaster Lists are scummy on their own, but this made me sigh. Doesn't mention myself or arn, and he is incredibly unsure of himself. Why should we value your opinion if all you can offer to the table is a bunch of "it seems like" and "I'm not sure" The underlined basically says: "One of them is scum, when (if) we mislynch one, I'm totally going after the other because he is definitely scum." | ||
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