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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 05 2012 17:01 GMT
#641
Wtf Sylencia

On December 04 2012 19:08 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, so I've come back from work, find that everyone is at each other's throats already... What happened to a nice friendly atmosphere? Anyways, from what I can tell, it really does feel like one of the three super active members in this group so far are scum, though which one I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. I feel like they've actually done a good job in causing a lot of doubt and in-fighting between the members, but I feel like what Kickstart has said made a lot of sense, and I've definitely taken into account some of the points made there.

I don't want to reveal which of the members I feel most suspicious of yet, though I do have a gut feeling about it, and as for the 2nd bad guy, this is pure speculation, but I do feel like they are lurking in the shadows a bit, since there's so much going on already, it'd be the perfect time to just sit back a bit and let the townies destroy themselves.


WHY???

On December 04 2012 19:25 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Anyone

In your opinion, what differentiates bad(newbie) town play from scum play?


This one?

I feel like one of the major things that differentiate newbie play with scum play is the explanation that comes behind an accusation. I feel that newer players, when accusing others of being scum, will have a lot weaker arguments that are not particularly well thought out. Reasoning would mainly be either lack of experience, or just going on gut feeling that what someone has said in the past seems suspicious.

On the other hand, being scum means that you have to have a certain amount of thought behind what you say, as making a contradictory or just a random off-the-cuff statement could shine a light of suspicion on them, which obviously they want to avoid.

If a new player is scum, I also found from my real life experience from the game, they do prefer to wait for others to make motions against someone before being sheeping behind them and just agreeing with what others have said. This may not be true all the time, as a lot of new players do get warned about being too obvious about it, but it can happen when they cannot formulate their own attack in time.


So, that's what you're doing... Sheeping off of my Oats thing, eh?

On December 05 2012 12:08 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:46 Rad wrote:
@Sylencia

You seem seem to have a lot of insightful things to say, but are holding back. You do realize that you're not just here to solve everything on your own, you need to help us determine if you're town or not, and if you're town, you could help a lot by talking more. Maybe jump in and give some reads?


Sure thing, I wasn't planning on holding back for much longer, since I just wanted to get a few more posts in the thread before seeing if anything useful came from it. However, I'm going to have to make a longer post later since my lunch hour is about done and I only just managed to catch up with the thread.

For now, all I want to say is that I'm pretty sure Kickstart is with the town here. Firstly, he brings up good, valid points with his posts, there's justification behind what he says and he also has an attitude. This attitude that he is bringing into the game doesn't help him whatsoever, and really only promotes him to be voted. Why would you bring so much negative attention to yourself when you want others to feel like you should still hang around?

As I said before, more later but I am only going to be able to lurk around for the next 5 or so hours.


Why don't you just SAY IT? If this isn't the definition of sheeping, I don't know what is.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 05 2012 17:18 GMT
#642
Guess I'll wait for the rest to get back so they can uselessly bicker at each other.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 22:58:21
December 05 2012 17:22 GMT
#643
Votecount:

AxleGreaser: (1) yamato77, yamato77, Kickstart

Kickstart (2) Oatsmaster, Rad, Arnarnion

Oatsmaster (3) jidolboy, Mr. Cheesecake, Sylencia

Rad (1) Kickstart

No Lynch (1) AxleGreaser

Not voting:
Arnarnion

You have ~7.5 hours until lynch, everyone must vote. If you see your vote, or that of someone else out of place please tell me so that I can correct it. Currently No One is set to be lynched. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 18:03 GMT
#644
Right , sleep for 12 hours and only 2 pages to read. Everyone but me and Oats be lurking too hard yo. Rads case on me, while well put together, I don't find much of it valid. Starts of with meta, I explained last game (yes I was scum but still) that my first game should really not be looked at for meta because it was my first game with a bunch of vets and I was timid and didn't post much, my natural posting style is what you are seeing now wand what you saw last game. Me being angry at everyone and aggressive does not indicate an alignment at all, look at the content of my posts, not at how aggressive I am with them.
Another point is that I jumped on Rad, Rad painted himself as the "easy target" and claims I just jumped on him. Lol, way to claim scum, scum. First of all, don't listen to his crap about being an easy target, then look at how he has played up until now as I have already pointed out; HE looks for an easy person to jump on, and he does it. He tried to jump on me almost out of the gate, then he jumps on me when there is a wagon on me already (had 2 votes on me), all he says is "why you make that vote blahblah" and throws a vote - scum play.

The Axle vote was not even a serious vote, I have been very clear all along that I will lynch my top scum reads and I have been explicitly clear on who those were at any given time. Yamato and Rad began as my top reads now I have moved to Rad and Oats. Axle was annoying me because I could not understand a thing he was saying so I asked him to stopp, then when he didn't I threw a threat vote down (kind of the same thing I jumped on Yamato for I guess :D).
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 05 2012 18:09 GMT
#645
12 hours? Shit, man you laaaaaazy. I'm super suspicious of the two lurkers that insta sheeped me.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 18:12 GMT
#646
Well I still think that Oats and Rad are the scummiest from what has transpired, but I agree that between us we have created a pretty easy environment for people to lurk. Whether those lurkers turn out to be scum or not we will have to wait and see how they vote and why and try and piece it together.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#647
Well we have to consolidate our votes. I'm more inclined to say Oats scum than Rad scum. Rad seems like he actually cares -- whatever reasoning behind his posts is his own. Bad logic is not solely scum logic. Oat was just like "OMG NICE CASE RAD YOU GOING DOWN NOW BRAH"
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 18:22 GMT
#648
Yeah lol, I will wait a bit but will probably end up consolidating my vote onto Oats.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 05 2012 18:50 GMT
#649
Do you guys really want to get to mylo or lylo with Axle still in the game? Or even D2 for that matter?
Writer@WriterYamato
Arnarnion
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada39 Posts
December 05 2012 19:16 GMT
#650
Yam, Are you saying that because you think that he's scum or that he's a liability for town?
The Omega Spider of Hip-Hop
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 05 2012 19:20 GMT
#651
So, Arn, little arn, who are you voting for right meow?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 19:32 GMT
#652
I am with yamato on the point about axle, but axles recent posts are a bit better, he better shape up though because his posting is just unacceptable. That said I still think I have strong scum reads for d1 so I will be going on those.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 19:38 GMT
#653
Also @Rad

You voted on me for putting a vote on Axle but what have you neglected to mention anything about Yamato's vote on him? Too focused on your wagon to notice?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 05 2012 19:49 GMT
#654
@Sylencia

Why so sheepy? Why so unsure? Y u no scumhunt?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 05 2012 19:49 GMT
#655
Scum and liability to town are basically the same thing. If he is town he is playing against his own win condition.
Writer@WriterYamato
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 05 2012 19:51 GMT
#656
On December 06 2012 04:38 Kickstart wrote:
Also @Rad

You voted on me for putting a vote on Axle but what have you neglected to mention anything about Yamato's vote on him? Too focused on your wagon to notice?


@kick

Notice how different the intentions are:

"Because dumb" vs "scum, or not playing to win". Yamato is suggesting a policy lynch. You're suggesting an easy target.

I'm surprised you didn't also point out Sylencia's' statement:

On December 05 2012 19:03 Sylencia wrote:
/snip
Basically, if I had no better read, I'd be picking Axle simply because I don't want to have to deal with working with an incomprehensible teammate.
/snip


Also suggesting a policy lynch. You didn't notice this one though did you, because you don't actually care what Sylencia has to say about anything. Not following the thread as closely as you'd want us to believe, are you? Or were you just satisfied with his vote on Oats that you didn't want him to question himself?
Arnarnion
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada39 Posts
December 05 2012 19:55 GMT
#657
As you can see as of right now I'm not voting for anyone. While I am less convinced than I was that Kick is scum, I'm also not ready to say that that makes Oats scum. The fight that broke out between them seems more of a town on town altercation to me and it seems like a good cover for scum to push agenda as town tears itself apart. I haven't liked the actions jidolboy and Sylencia sitting the game out until close to the vote then quickly squeaking their ill explained votes in. And based off of going through their respective filters, I find Sylencia's approach more scum and jidolboy's more newbie town. I say this because based off of their votes Sylencia goes through a list of sheeping other peoples points and then finally votes Oats after saying nothing original, reads scummy to me. jidolboy literally just votes with no explanation after being being absent for long while, and then sheeps when pressed about, which seems more like a frightened noob who didn't realize how suspicious he was being. So I'm going to ##Vote: Sylencia
The Omega Spider of Hip-Hop
Arnarnion
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada39 Posts
December 05 2012 19:58 GMT
#658
But Yam, is Axle your top scum read, and if not, why wouldn't you vote for them instead?
The Omega Spider of Hip-Hop
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 19:59 GMT
#659
I am satisfied with his vote on oats because it is on scum. And just because I say "because dumb" in a post reveals nothing about my reasoning. Anyone who takes that as me actually voting someone because I think they are dumb is rather naive.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 05 2012 20:00 GMT
#660
Like i think Oats is dumb, but if I vote him that won't be the reason for my vote.
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