Veg that game was Nada vs iloveoov... and yes, it was art :D

MXPX... u don't think 3 fac vults can defend 4 gol drop? have u ever tried 3 fac vults then? probably not. With vult speed, u can be at his base, spot the dropship and still boot it back to your base in time to pwn.

Moth

Sweden468 Posts

November 24 2003 09:01 GMT

#42

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Beast_Bg

Bulgaria1623 Posts

November 24 2003 09:04 GMT

#43

On November 22 2003 20:27 HovZ wrote:
basically on maps with no cliff(gamea, nos, plains etc.), u have to vulture. on these types of maps playing tvt no longer invovles strategy. because no matter what u scout u should always go vulture

Wrong.
VERY wrong.

Beast_Bg

Bulgaria1623 Posts

November 24 2003 09:11 GMT

#44

If you're talking about No Cliff maps then Dahlia and Kohral would be perfect examples ,but vulcs are very easily countered there.On Martian Cross is a little harder , but still its not the only strat you can play.Its maybe the safest though.

(Got 2 games TvT vs vulcs on WCG MC vs MTY and KC vs some guy I don't remember

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HovZ

United States1917 Posts

November 24 2003 11:25 GMT

#45

everyone i just want u to remember when reading beast's posts keep in mind he has no idea what hes talking about.

HovZ

United States1917 Posts

November 24 2003 11:27 GMT

#46

On November 24 2003 17:04 snOw wrote:
WHY DON'T WE JUST ALL GO FAST CLOAK WRAITHS!?!??! EH EH? 1-2 vults and a tank can hold off an insane amount of vults with good micro (considering you don't let them up the ramp). And wraiths are very good for harass. I have always gone wraith vs a fast vult and I've had a very good win ratio, like 9/10 I win because they take longer to build a bunch of turrets and get scan to expo than I take to kill their mines and build my sexpo

no wraiths dont beat mines on maps with no cliff. the terran can expo immediatly after his makes his vults and just put up a turret at each cc while he gets gols, u cant expo till u clear 30 mines, something that takes a while with 1 factory units. u will be forced to push out of ur base with turrets, and that gives ur enemy all the time he needs to expo and contain you. then with ur gosu 1 fac u cant break out because he has 2 facs. and u cant drop because no cliffs. understand?

United States63 Posts

November 24 2003 11:39 GMT

#47

Vultures as with any unit imo are great if used correctly .

I have used vultures in mid and late game in small numbers .. Mining my bases for a little added Drop deturant in key areas.. The cooldown time of units coming out of a drop ship is just enough to allow mines to pop them. T ussually scans the area before dropping sees a buttload of mines and decides on something a bit less risky.

I find that I feel a bit safer in leaving fewer units behind for defense when I have a few mines scattered in key areas. ( mainly the places I would drop if I were him )
I do not ussually rush mine tech though as I would rather spend the gas on tanks and Mine containment is pointless When Vultures kill mines the moment they pop up .. Lure mines with a tank / goliath / marine And the vultures kill them quite effectively .

On a side note
It's rather funny to Vult / port vs Tank Vulture containment players .

Using 1-2 wraiths to run his butt off and Secure your expansion. And ussually you have a good 1 - 1 1/2 Minutes to Harrass him with them before he spams turets or gets enough goliths to slap you away . During whitch time you can ussually safely take your expansion and get a major Eco Advantage over him of at least 45 seconds to a minute.

Timing ^^

Edit: And before the bashings Ensue I never claimed to be pro

Just like to play the game

Grotfang

Belgium490 Posts

November 24 2003 11:47 GMT

#48

thanks for the pointers hovz now i have something to start with for gaema gowon//nostalgia tvt

also hovz, i heard that pro's sometimes sacrifice SCV production to increase the amount of vultures they can make ~ what's the deal with that? when is it good?